Will Woodbury have a Similar Impact as Zeller?

[sportstalent]

I think many of you are underestimating the potential that Adam will bring next year.

1. Rebounding - He will bring an inside presence that we do not have this year and at to him the other returning and incoming players and he will make a difference.

2. Basabe - Just allowing Basabe to play more of the four (I still think he will be used as a combo 4/5 by Fran) will make the team better.

3. White - How many of you would have said Aaron would have made the impact that he has before the season? Enough said...

4. Shot Blocking - Someone in this thread said that he would not be a big shot blocker...he will be a shot blocker and the shot blocking will make a difference next year. Just having a 7+ person in the lane will make a difference, not to mention adding in the other big men that will be able to compliment Adam.

5. Offense - Adam's offensive ability will surprise people that are doubters, he is a great passer and if teams double team him, we will have the players to make them pay and he has the skills to make the pass needed when needed.

I am not predicting a super star the first year, but I am confident that he will be a difference maker that will surprise many by how he adjusts to Big 10 play.

Me, have been all over him since Iowa signed him. After gathering all I could find out about him he was the player I was most excited to see this season.
Everyone that I know that had seen him play did nothing but rave about this kid and said Iowa stole one. My question to the folks I knew in the Cleveland area was: "Do you know who Aaron White is?" The answer was always: "Who doesn't?" Very highly thought of kid in his local area.

 

[storminspank]

Also, Adam has put on some weight. He is currently sitting at 245 lbs. That's pretty good for a senior center. Not as thin as some people think.

 

[EddyP]

What does "Hawkeye State" have to do with his recruiting ignorance?

Nothing, it has to do with a clown fan claiming to know more about Hawkeye history AND being on this board claiming to know more about Hawkeye history. Funny huh?

 

[frank]

Nothing, it has to do with a clown fan claiming to know more about Hawkeye history AND being on this board claiming to know more about Hawkeye history. Funny huh?

but he was right....

 

[NewMexHawk]

I don't think Woodbury or Meyer will tear up the B1G next year. Woodbury and Meyer are going to have their tough times but they will also have some good times. Next year will be a learning year for them. They will however give Iowa a legitimate B1G center something Iowa has been missing for years. Hopefully, one year will help Olesani immensely? I do think the addition of the freshman class will allow Iowa to go through the preseason only losing a couple of games and they will not lose to the Campbell's of the world next year. The addition will also allow the Hawks to win a few more games in the B1G and be more competitive and perhaps even win games that we don't think we can. Home court is going to be getting tougher and tougher for Iowa...Win your home games and two or three on the road and suddenly you win 11 or 12 games in the B1G...a trip to the NCAA.

With a true center and the addition of Olesani, teams will no longer be able to key on Basabe, White, and Gabe. Iowa will also have the makings of a guard court that can penetrate and shoot the three, along with some guards that are defensive oriented. Oglesby will have a year under his belt. May will be a senior, always a good thing. Marble will be a junior and definitely one of Iowa's best players. It is Gesell and the other new guards that I think will have the biggest impact even though point guard is the toughest position for a freshman.

 

[wundergrape]

Stop changing the argument college boy. A poster said they were top 50 recruits. You said "Source?". I provided source. Statsheet rankings were just a rehash of RSCI rankings, which is an aggregate of all of the published rankings.

I provided a source, now I am going to have to ask for yours, specifically the one that says Reiner and Worley were 3 star recruits.

Cydkar changed the argument, not me. Fortunately, he seized one of the few points that is entirely irrelevant to my original argument. I'll concede that Iowa has had other very fine recruiting classes in the past - and that I'm unable to find the original rivals rankings. But who cares? Iowa had a phenomenal recruiting class in 2000? Great! That's a good thing. I'm happy to be wrong about that.
My original argument that this recruiting class is a) excellent, b) addresses very specific needs and c) fits in well with some very fine talent, is unchanged and valid. As is my assertion, which is entirely subjective and warranted, that there is reason to be excited about this program.
Finally, to answer a point made by Cydkar, I wasn't name calling because I was in over my head (although it appears that your are correct, I was wrong), I began name calling because some anonymous coward was baiting my by posting my personal information in a public thread. I'm not going to post again in this thread, and Ghost of the BTT, consider yourself blocked you sad, creepy little boy.

 

[Cydkar]

All good. No reason not to be excited about this class. I know a lot about Iowa basketball for a clone fan. I grew up in the belly of the beast...as a hawk fan.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Cydkar changed the argument, not me. Fortunately, he seized one of the few points that is entirely irrelevant to my original argument. I'll concede that Iowa has had other very fine recruiting classes in the past - and that I'm unable to find the original rivals rankings. But who cares? Iowa had a phenomenal recruiting class in 2000? Great! That's a good thing. I'm happy to be wrong about that.
My original argument that this recruiting class is a) excellent, b) addresses very specific needs and c) fits in well with some very fine talent, is unchanged and valid. As is my assertion, which is entirely subjective and warranted, that there is reason to be excited about this program.
Finally, to answer a point made by Cydkar, I wasn't name calling because I was in over my head (although it appears that your are correct, I was wrong), I began name calling because some anonymous coward was baiting my by posting my personal information in a public thread. I'm not going to post again in this thread, and Ghost of the BTT, consider yourself blocked you sad, creepy little boy.

So this is a round-about way of saying that you were lying, and you cannot prove that Reiner and Worley were 3 star recruits.

 

[RocknRollface]

If I remember correctly Rhiener and Worley were four stars, and wow I can't believe ive been on these stupid sites for 12 years, lol.

Im sure allot of their rankings, especially Worleys had to do with who was offering them. Under good coaching Rhiener would have been much better.

Anyway, Woodbury is clearly allot better than Rhiener, you can tell just by looking. Much better feet and hands and more athletic. Woody is not a high jumper but has very good footwork latterly and good speed for his size. His IQ for the game is very high as well.

Woodbury will have the most impact of any freshman since Tyler Smith and I don't think thats going out on a limb at all.

Im not tempering expectations. I see no reason to. For two years in a row now weve had freshman be our best big men. Woody is the most highly recruited player weve brought in decades based in large part on what he has done against other top competition in AAu which is usually a pretty good indicator of whats to come.

Oh yeah, hes also freeking 7'1

 

[tm3308]

but he was right....

This.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Anyway, Woodbury is clearly allot better than Rhiener, you can tell just by looking. Much better feet and hands and more athletic. Woody is not a high jumper but has very good footwork latterly and good speed for his size. His IQ for the game is very high as well.

I don't think you can say that because, one, you have hindsight on JR's career, and two, you have no idea what AW will look like in the Big 10. Honestly, the two of them are amazingly similar. About the same size, same build, similar games, come from about the same area, same recruiting rankings. I think Woodbury will be a better scorer than JR, but I doubt he will be the rebounder JR was.

Also, keep in mind that JR palyed a few seasons in the NBA and was a D-League all star. He was no slouch. I think injuries really slowed him down towards the end of his career at Iowa. Dude could straight up play.

 

[RocknRollface]

I don't think you can say that because, one, you have hindsight on JR's career, and two, you have no idea what AW will look like in the Big 10. Honestly, the two of them are amazingly similar. About the same size, same build, similar games, come from about the same area, same recruiting rankings. I think Woodbury will be a better scorer than JR, but I doubt he will be the rebounder JR was.

Also, keep in mind that JR palyed a few seasons in the NBA and was a D-League all star. He was no slouch. I think injuries really slowed him down towards the end of his career at Iowa. Dude could straight up play.

IMO the physical and skill differences are actually very easy to see.

Your right I can't say how that will necessarily translate.

Rhenier was very slow both laterally and straight ahead and had few actual post moves.
Woody can move for a big man and is allot more advanced with his pivots and foot work around the basket.

Jareds main move was to back his man down as far as he could under the basket and then pump fake until he got the defender off his feet. Adam can actualy shoot over either one of his shoulders or spin off the defender.

I also don't see any reason Woodbury can't be just as good a rebounded he is two inches taller and nearly the same weight right now.

Like I said had Jared had better coaching and less injuries he would have been a nice player his last two years. IIRC he hardly played as a senior due to injuries.

 

[IAJay]

Getting back to the original thread: Woodbury doesn't have to have that type of imapct that Zeller has provided.

Iowa's recruiting class could have the impact of the Moore/Johnson/Hummel class has had at Purdue. The class at Purdue on paper is better, but Purdue didn't really have any stars on the roster when they hit campus. The players bought into their roles, well Scott Martin didn't and he wound up at Notre Dame.

This class fills the glaring holes on Iowa's roster. Iowa's shooting is not going to suffer as I believe Marble/White will make significant strides and Oglesby will breakout from behind the arc. Oh yeah, that Mike kid can shoot a little bit.

If some of you want to temper your enthusiasm, so be it, but I have been saying for a while that Iowa will go to the NCAA tourney next year and will not back off of it until Iowa has major injuries like Marble/White/McCabe/Basabe all out at the same time for 15 games.

Areas Iowa struggles with the most:
1. Three point defense: Put a shot blocker in the middle and the guards can put more on the ball pressure or play tighter against shooters. Also, maybe Woodbury will be a player that understands how to hedge on a screen...just a thought.
2. Half court offense: Add in two true PG's instead of "four minute" Cartwright and that improves. The freshman will accept their roles and play within themselves, something Bryce did the last half of the season last year, but not at anytime this year...well, he did at Wisconsin.
3. Rebounding: An improved Gabe, throw in Woodbury a true center, Meyer a flat out hustler. Slide McCabe/Basabe to the PF position only and rotate White in there anywhere and it looks a lot better. That true big guy in middle has a presence and makes a difference.

In the end, Iowa is going to the NCAA tournament next season, not because of Woodbury, but because the 2010 class will lead them there. Iowa has to improve in a few key areas and Adam cannot do it by himself.

One thing that has to noted about Zeller and not to take anything away from him, is that Indiana has stayed healthy this season, aside from Maurice Creek. There have been some minor injuries, but not to Watford, Zeller and Hulls their best players.
The rest of the players understand their roles and accept them, hopefully, the Iowa players will do the same. If so, they have a chance to have a special season.

You were high on White because you are extremely high on everything Iowa basketball all the time. Comparing this class to the Purdue class just isn't fair. That Purdue class is one of the best Big 10 classes in recent times. While this is a hallmark class for Iowa, it is not the Purdue class. Also, Indiana lost Sheehey for a part of the conference season. So with losing Creek and Sheehey that isn't exactly a super healthy team.

As for the original topic, I think Woodbury will come along much slower than Zeller. Zeller was ready made to be a stud in the Big Ten, while Woodbury could eventually be as good it will take some time.

Final thought, UNC Zeller is better than Indiana Zeller.

 

[tm3308]

You were high on White because you are extremely high on everything Iowa basketball all the time. Comparing this class to the Purdue class just isn't fair. That Purdue class is one of the best Big 10 classes in recent times. While this is a hallmark class for Iowa, it is not the Purdue class. Also, Indiana lost Sheehey for a part of the conference season. So with losing Creek and Sheehey that isn't exactly a super healthy team.

As for the original topic, I think Woodbury will come along much slower than Zeller. Zeller was ready made to be a stud in the Big Ten, while Woodbury could eventually be as good it will take some time.

Final thought, UNC Zeller is better than Indiana Zeller.

Tyler is also a couple years older. Cody is better at this stage of his career, and will be the better player when it's all said and done.

 

[IAJay]

Tyler is also a couple years older. Cody is better at this stage of his career, and will be the better player when it's all said and done.

I understand the age difference but Zeller was a first round pick last season if he came out and could be the ACC POY this season. They are both great players and it really isn't an insult to say one is better than the other.

 

[herbyhawk]

since Adam didn't have 5* by his name we can tell he will be a lousy player, and also Indiana and Purdue players get superstuds,
and since you want to compare classes if Purdue has such a loaded class of super studs, why are not in the top 4 of the conference, and why is it Indiana who has the #1 NBA pick in Zeller and 3 4* jrs and 1 4* so are in the middle of the pack with all that star studded talent they should be running away with the conference

 

[truehawk]

What does "Hawkeye State=" have to do with his recruiting ignorance?

Nothing, it has to do with a clown fan claiming to know more about Hawkeye history AND being on this board claiming to know more about Hawkeye history. Funny huh?

At least he knows something about us lol I don't know one thing about ISU history besides that we hold winning records over them in everything pertaining to life.

 

[tm3308]

I understand the age difference but Zeller was a first round pick last season if he came out and could be the ACC POY this season. They are both great players and it really isn't an insult to say one is better than the other.

Cody would be a first rounder this year if he came out, as a freshman. He's projected to go top 5 after next season. Like I said, Tyler is the better player right now, but it's mainly because he's three years older. Cody is the one with more talent.

 

[sportstalent]

You were high on White because you are extremely high on everything Iowa basketball all the time. Comparing this class to the Purdue class just isn't fair. That Purdue class is one of the best Big 10 classes in recent times. While this is a hallmark class for Iowa, it is not the Purdue class. Also, Indiana lost Sheehey for a part of the conference season. So with losing Creek and Sheehey that isn't exactly a super healthy team.

As for the original topic, I think Woodbury will come along much slower than Zeller. Zeller was ready made to be a stud in the Big Ten, while Woodbury could eventually be as good it will take some time.

Final thought, UNC Zeller is better than Indiana Zeller.

You must not have read too many of my posts lately.

I am not comparing them to the Purdue class in terms of outright talent; impact only and Iowa has better players coming back to the program than Purdue did when that class came in.

In their careers, the 2012 class has a chance to do special things; the nice thing about this class is that they do not have to be stars in their first year.

Sheehey isn't exactly one of Indiana's top players...he was inserted into the lineup when Oladipo was struggling. Their best players have not had injuries like in years past. Jones missed a game this year, but he missed over 5 games last year. Zeller/Watford/Hulls are guys that they cannot have miss a game.
The impact that Zeller has had the most impact on for Indiana is in the media, they haven't won on the road against any real competition yet. All their big wins have been at home.
Indiana is better because they have experience, been injury free to their best players and have a go-to guy with Zeller.

 

[jacknicholson]

Getting back to the original thread: Woodbury doesn't have to have that type of imapct that Zeller has provided.

Iowa's recruiting class could have the impact of the Moore/Johnson/Hummel class has had at Purdue. The class at Purdue on paper is better, but Purdue didn't really have any stars on the roster when they hit campus. The players bought into their roles, well Scott Martin didn't and he wound up at Notre Dame.

This class fills the glaring holes on Iowa's roster. Iowa's shooting is not going to suffer as I believe Marble/White will make significant strides and Oglesby will breakout from behind the arc. Oh yeah, that Mike kid can shoot a little bit.

If some of you want to temper your enthusiasm, so be it, but I have been saying for a while that Iowa will go to the NCAA tourney next year and will not back off of it until Iowa has major injuries like Marble/White/McCabe/Basabe all out at the same time for 15 games.

Areas Iowa struggles with the most:
1. Three point defense: Put a shot blocker in the middle and the guards can put more on the ball pressure or play tighter against shooters. Also, maybe Woodbury will be a player that understands how to hedge on a screen...just a thought.
2. Half court offense: Add in two true PG's instead of "four minute" Cartwright and that improves. The freshman will accept their roles and play within themselves, something Bryce did the last half of the season last year, but not at anytime this year...well, he did at Wisconsin.
3. Rebounding: An improved Gabe, throw in Woodbury a true center, Meyer a flat out hustler. Slide McCabe/Basabe to the PF position only and rotate White in there anywhere and it looks a lot better. That true big guy in middle has a presence and makes a difference.

In the end, Iowa is going to the NCAA tournament next season, not because of Woodbury, but because the 2010 class will lead them there. Iowa has to improve in a few key areas and Adam cannot do it by himself.

One thing that has to noted about Zeller and not to take anything away from him, is that Indiana has stayed healthy this season, aside from Maurice Creek. There have been some minor injuries, but not to Watford, Zeller and Hulls their best players.
The rest of the players understand their roles and accept them, hopefully, the Iowa players will do the same. If so, they have a chance to have a special season.

Most excellent post, Sportstalent. I also believe we will be vastly improved next year and have a very good chance of making the tournament. Woodbury will have as big an impact for the Hawks as Zeller has been for Indiana this year. We will be an entirely different team, vastly improved, with an interior presence that has been missing for a while. Adam will be very difficult to contain with his offensive skills. I believe his talent is being underestimated by many. He takes the ball immediately to the basket with the ability to score in a variety of ways with either hand. If he is covered, his passing skills are very good.....

Adam will open the middle for Aaron, Zach and especially Mel, who will benefit the most from Woodbury's interior presence. Devyn, Josh and Mike Gesell will be dangerous on the perimeter because of the attention Adam will demand.....

Woodbury is not the only factor that will impact the Hawks next year. This incoming class is a very good one, tailor-made for Fran and his uptempo style. Woodbury and Meyer add much needed size inside, which will help enormously. Ingram and Clemmons bring athleticism and defensive intensity that will make the press and half court trap something to be feared.....