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deanvogs said:
CyTwins says this all the time on the Clone board. His two biggest points on why Jordan sucks is because he shot 38% on 2pt FG and his assists were unimpressive.

Who else says these exact same thing over and over about Jordan on this board?
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Well now you can stop attacking me saying I'm a clone fan and Twins fan because I know Jordan didn't shoot close to 38% on 2pt FG's. I wish he did!
 
deanvogs said:
Jordan as a Fr. > Mike as a Fr, So, and Jr. and about = to Mike as a Sr.
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Again, I think Jordan's 3 ball made him more effective than Mike as it pulled his defender out and helped spread the floor more. Later in the year when Jordan had more confidence, he was popping 30 footers. Defenders than had to go out on that. You get a defender 30 ft from the hoop, good things are gonna happen.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Mike was much better taking it to the rim than Jordan is. Not even close
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Doesn't make a difference when you get your shot blocked. I remember numerous occasions Jo Bo surprisingly taking it to the rim and scoring. Do you even watch the games? I swear you just spit out drivel without even watching.

Mike turned out to be very ineffective around the rim along with no 3. That was his problem. He could never get one or the other consistent. That left him to only make "unimpressive assists" as game.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Doesn't make a difference when you get your shot blocked. I remember numerous occasions Jo Bo surprisingly taking it to the rim and scoring. Do you even watch the games? I swear you just spit out drivel without even watching.

Mike turned out to be very ineffective around the rim along with no 3. That was his problem. He could never get one or the other consistent. That left him to only make "unimpressive assists" as game.
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Mike shot over 43% from inside the arc in his career. Jordan shot 32% last year so I think the real question is do you even watch the games?
 
Hawk5656 said:
I'm not sure why you are attacking me for this because PC was the one that said it, not me.
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I don't care who said it first, all I'm going by is that it triggered this whole conversation. You stated Jo Bo's assist really didn't count because they were not flashy stating they were really "unimpressive assists". Stated we had to put that into perspective.

I hope you don't think I'm attacking you as that is not my intention. I enjoy the banter and other sides perspective. I'm not a total tool!
 
Hawk5656 said:
Mike shot over 43% from inside the arc in his career. Jordan shot 32% last year so I think the real question is do you even watch the games?
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If you knew anything about basketball you would be talking about eFG%. Instead you just wanna run with the same trolls you run on Clownfanatics.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Mike shot over 43% from inside the arc in his career. Jordan shot 32% last year so I think the real question is do you even watch the games?
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Yea, but they were "unimpressive" shots. We all need to put that into perspective.

In addition, with the way this Fran's team is made up, I could care less about Jordan's 2 pt shot %. I care that he hits the 3 ball to pull defenders out and takes care of the ball while dishing out 7 assists per game. That's what is needed on this team.
 
deanvogs said:
@PCHawk has never once said that about Jordan. Only you have made that claim about Jordan
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He'll do it once Jordan leaves though. He loves discrediting former players. He did it with Mike last off season and he's already doing it with Pete. You can't discredit Mike's assists and then give credit for Jordan's. That doesn't make sense
 
Hawk5656 said:
Mike shot over 43% from inside the arc in his career. Jordan shot 32% last year so I think the real question is do you even watch the games?
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It is only 11% points and only measuring Jordan's freshman year. In addition, the number of 2 pt shots is so low that they take, it wouldn't take much to jump up or down 10% so the point is really moot anyway, IMO.
 
Hawk5656 said:
He'll do it once Jordan leaves though. He loves discrediting former players. He did it with Mike last off season and he's already doing it with Pete. You can't discredit Mike's assists and then give credit for Jordan's. That doesn't make sense
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Agreed. That wouldn't be fair, especially playing in the same style offense.

Unfortunately, that's all the game Mike really had to offer in the end secondary to consistency, to be the floor general and get players shots. I always liked Mike. In addition, thought he looked like a decent guy and a very good teammate.
 
deanvogs said:
If you knew anything about basketball you would be talking about eFG%. Instead you just wanna run with the same trolls you run on Clownfanatics.
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eFG% is very effective and is what should be used. The only reason I ever bring up 2 pt FG% is when people try to claim Jordan was just as good or better than Mike finishing at the rim.
 
Hawk5656 said:
eFG% is very effective and is what should be used. The only reason I ever bring up 2 pt FG% is when people try to claim Jordan was just as good or better than Mike finishing at the rim.
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What is eFG%/ Serious question as I don't know and prob could look it up. Is it overall?

Jo Bo definitely got to the rim on occasion and more as he got more confidence. I remember being surprised at times he got there and made it. Mike went to the rim but rarely finished, IMO. He had a lot of shots blocked at the rim.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Agreed. That wouldn't be fair, especially playing in the same style offense.

Unfortunately, that's all the game Mike really had to offer in the end secondary to consistency, to be the floor general and get players shots. I always liked Mike. In addition, thought he looked like a decent guy and a very good teammate.
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Mike averaged 8ppg in his career and rarely turned the ball over. To say he was only good for "unimpressive assists" is foolish
 
Hawk5656 said:
eFG% is very effective and is what should be used. The only reason I ever bring up 2 pt FG% is when people try to claim Jordan was just as good or better than Mike finishing at the rim.
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This site has a search function. Do you really want me to bring up all the post of you bashing on Jordan for his 2 pt%, and show that none of it had to do with any relation to Mike G. talk?
 
MelroseHawkins said:
What is eFG%/ Serious question as I don't know and prob could look it up. Is it overall?

Jo Bo definitely got to the rim on occasion and more as he got more confidence. I remember being surprised at times he got there and made it. Mike went to the rim but rarely finished, IMO. He had a lot of shots blocked at the rim.
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You have selective memory if you think Jordan was better at finishing at the rim than Mike. It wasn't even close. You're not the only one, PC doesn't even remember Jok averaging 21 ppg in the NIT either. I guess it's just something that happens around here when our players graduate
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Where did I state that? What did he average for assists per game?
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Mike averaged 4.2 assists per game in his career. You said in regards to his assists "Unfortunately, that's all the game Mike really had to offer in the end secondary to consistency, to be the floor general and get players shots." but he scored 1072 points in his career
 
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