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[MelroseHawkins]

Mike averaged 4.2 assists per game in his career. You said in regards to his assists "Unfortunately, that's all the game Mike really had to offer in the end secondary to consistency, to be the floor general and get players shots." but he scored 1072 points in his career

A very "unimpressive" 1072 pts, and I'm kind of being serious. A quiet 1072. I mean, play so many more games in college. In high school, 1000 pt was a nice benchmark but not sure it's that impressive in college. That's only like averaging 7.8 ppg. Heck you can get 3/4 of that in free throws a game. Not sure your point.

Here is Jo Bo's freshman line. If only take his freshman numbers would be on pace for at least 1496 pts in career. He's ALREADY averaged more assists at 5.1. You'd think that would go up a bit if he stays at PG. He has eFG% at 53.5, FT at 85.5% which has to kick Mike's FT %.



SUMMARY
2016-17

Career

G
34

34

PTS
10.9

10.9

TRB
2.2

2.2

AST
5.1

5.1

FG%
38.8

38.8

FG3%
41.6

41.6

FT%
85.5

85.5

eFG%
53.5

53.5

PER
14.9

14.9

WS
2.6

2.6

 

[Hawk5656]

A very "unimpressive" 1072 pts, and I'm kind of being serious. A quiet 1072. I mean, play so many more games in college. In high school, 1000 pt was a nice benchmark but not sure it's that impressive in college. That's only like averaging 7.8 ppg. Heck you can get 3/4 of that in free throws a game. Not sure your point.

Here is Jo Bo's freshman line. If only take his freshman numbers would be on pace for at least 1496 pts in career. He's ALREADY averaged more assists at 5.1. You'd think that would go up a bit if he stays at PG. He has eFG% at 53.5, FT at 85.5% which has to kick Mike's FT %.



SUMMARY
2016-17

Career

G
34

34

PTS
10.9

10.9

TRB
2.2

2.2

AST
5.1

5.1

FG%
38.8

38.8

FG3%
41.6

41.6

FT%
85.5

85.5

eFG%
53.5

53.5

PER
14.9

14.9

WS
2.6

2.6

Saying a player can only be a floor general and pass the ball when he scored 1072 points in a college career is dumb

 

[deanvogs]

A very "unimpressive" 1072 pts, and I'm kind of being serious. A quiet 1072. I mean, play so many more games in college. In high school, 1000 pt was a nice benchmark but not sure it's that impressive in college. That's only like averaging 7.8 ppg. Heck you can get 3/4 of that in free throws a game. Not sure your point.

Here is Jo Bo's freshman line. If only take his freshman numbers would be on pace for at least 1496 pts in career. He's ALREADY averaged more assists at 5.1. You'd think that would go up a bit if he stays at PG. He has eFG% at 53.5, FT at 85.5% which has to kick Mike's FT %.



SUMMARY
2016-17

Career

G
34

34

PTS
10.9

10.9

TRB
2.2

2.2

AST
5.1

5.1

FG%
38.8

38.8

FG3%
41.6

41.6

FT%
85.5

85.5

eFG%
53.5

53.5

PER
14.9

14.9

WS
2.6

2.6

I liked Mike as a player very much. Much like most players he had strengths and weaknesses to his game. For some reason @Hawk5656 likes Mikes strengths and is fine with his weaknesses, but he doesn't like Jordan's strengths and is furious at his weaknesses.

 

[Hawk5656]

I liked Mike as a player very much. Much like most players he had strengths and weaknesses to his game. For some reason @Hawk5656 likes Mikes strengths and is fine with his weaknesses, but he doesn't like Jordan's strengths and is furious at his weaknesses.

This isn't true at all. Mike had his weaknesses but when people discredit his strengths when he was a great Hawkeye it frustrates the hell out of me. I just need to realize people have selective memories around here if everyone thinks Jordan could finish at the rim last season and Mike couldn't in his career.

 

[deanvogs]

This isn't true at all. Mike had his weaknesses but when people discredit his strengths when he was a great Hawkeye it frustrates the hell out of me. I just need to realize people have selective memories around here if everyone thinks Jordan could finish at the rim last season and Mike couldn't in his career.

So you hate it when people discredit a Hawkeye, yet you probably have well over 100 probably approaching 200 post discrediting Jordan.

 

[PCHawk]

eFG% is very effective and is what should be used. The only reason I ever bring up 2 pt FG% is when people try to claim Jordan was just as good or better than Mike finishing at the rim.

Wait a second. I thought that simi circle in the lane was to prevent players from taking charges underneath the basket. Is it the new 3 point line?

 

[InGoodCo]

Mike was better at finishing at the rim IMO, Jordan will be the better overall PG IMO too.

 

[PCHawk]

He'll do it once Jordan leaves though. He loves discrediting former players. He did it with Mike last off season and he's already doing it with Pete. You can't discredit Mike's assists and then give credit for Jordan's. That doesn't make sense

I love pointing out reasons why players won't be missed as much as people think. For instance, Jok is one of my favorite Hawkeyes of all time, but I like pointing out why he won't be missed as much as people think.

He was great on offense but terrible on defense for one. For two, people always make the mistake of thinking you have to replace the points they score. That's not true. You have to replace the field goal percentage. Unless you want to argue that the team won't be able to get shots up, someone will be taking his shots. It's not like we will forfeit the 15 shots (or whatever it was) that he took per game. If he shot 50% on his 15 shots and this year the team shoots 40% on those shots, that means we only lose a couple points per game. Pretty easy to overcome when you factor in his defense.

 

[InGoodCo]

I bet you'd have search fairly high to find a SG that handled the ball as little as Pete did that had 80 turnovers in a season too. Marble might have, but he was kind of playing the point too.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Saying a player can only be a floor general and pass the ball when he scored 1072 points in a college career is dumb

You have 34 games a year as a player, not 16 like in HS. Half those pt's could be free throws made. This isn't high school where scoring 1000 in a career was huge.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I liked Mike as a player very much. Much like most players he had strengths and weaknesses to his game. For some reason @Hawk5656 likes Mikes strengths and is fine with his weaknesses, but he doesn't like Jordan's strengths and is furious at his weaknesses.

OMG, well said!

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I bet you'd have search fairly high to find a SG that handled the ball as little as Pete did that had 80 turnovers in a season too. Marble might have, but he was kind of playing the point too.

I think 5 of those he dribbled off his foot out-of-bounds. lol.

 

[InGoodCo]

I think 5 of those he dribbled off his foot out-of-bounds. lol.

Up 1 with 30 seconds left.

 

[Hawk5656]

So you hate it when people discredit a Hawkeye, yet you probably have well over 100 probably approaching 200 post discrediting Jordan.

How am I discrediting Bohannon? I point out his flaws and I point out his strengths. He's a great 3 point shooter and he's very good at racking up unimpressive assists. He's very poor on defense and shouldn't shoot inside the arc

 

[PCHawk]

You have 34 games a year as a player, not 16 like in HS. Half those pt's could be free throws made. This isn't high school where scoring 1000 in a career was huge.

It's tough to start as a freshman and not reach 1000 points. We all know where the program was his freshman year too. Although freshman Gesell was pretty good.

 

[Hawk5656]

You have 34 games a year as a player, not 16 like in HS. Half those pt's could be free throws made. This isn't high school where scoring 1000 in a career was huge.

If you score 1000 points in your college career it's unfair to say you aren't good for anything offensively but passing the ball

 

[PCHawk]

I think 5 of those he dribbled off his foot out-of-bounds. lol.

That full court pass at the end of the double ot Nebraska game was the worst. Something isn't right when the best free throw shooter in the building does a high risk zero reward pass in the last minute of a one possession game. Typing this reminds me how close they were to a 2nd place Big 10 finish.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

If you score 1000 points in your college career it's unfair to say you aren't good for anything offensively but passing the ball

I didn't say he wasn't good for anything. I'm saying 1000 pts, regardless of the player, in college is not a huge feat. Geez, but don't act like he was Peter Jok out there shooting the ball, because he was not.

 

[deanvogs]

How am I discrediting Bohannon? I point out his flaws and I point out his strengths. He's a great 3 point shooter and he's very good at racking up unimpressive assists. He's very poor on defense and shouldn't shoot inside the arc

Dude you ripped on Jordan all year long. Don't try to come on here and say you didn't try to discredit him. Then you turn around and act all incredulous that some point out Mikes weaknesses, fans who actually like Mike and appreciate what he did for Iowa. You are a joke, you were even warned that if you didn't lay off ripping on Jordan that you'd get booted, and they don't ban anyone from here.

 

[Hawk5656]

Dude you ripped on Jordan all year long. Don't try to come on here and say you didn't try to discredit him. Then you turn around and act all incredulous that some point out Mikes weaknesses, fans who actually like Mike and appreciate what he did for Iowa. You are a joke, you were even warned that if you didn't lay off ripping on Jordan that you'd get booted, and they don't ban anyone from here.

I couldn't disagree more. I didn't rip on anyone, I pointed out his flaws and I've pointed out Mike's flaws as well. Jordan can't defend, Mike couldn't shoot 3's. According to PC neither's assists numbers mean much. When people say Jordan could do stuff that Mike couldn't like get to the rim when Mike was way better at that than Jordan that's when I get upset.