I was finally able to put a finger on a thought related to this team

glidinghawk said:
Marble jumped all over Oglesby after NW hit a corner three-pointer at one second on the shot clock late in the second half. Oglesby was talking back, looked like an argument. Then Oglesby was removed and seemed to be whining on the bench. Don't like to see that, but I do see it happen with other teams, so maybe it's just another way of 'communicating.'
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Yes and Fran and Francis both were in his ear once he got there, so his explanation was on deaf ears. Apparently, he screwed up by dropping in the middle of the lane from the wing and left a guy wide open and the defense didn't recover and the shot was made.

It was pretty obvious what happened when they showed the replay going to the commercial break. Oglesby got lost, in the zone, how do you get lost playing zone?
 
sportstalent said:
You want a cookie? People were quick to dismiss because....let's see had he ever prove he can hit shots consistently. One of those predictions you can do an "I told you so" because it was bold and nobody believed you.

Get over yourself.

This team plays awful defense and only has one guy with a clue inside the 3-pt line with the ball in his hands that plays guard, but I am sure Iowa would be far better without him...gotcha.
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And how do you know that? What's to say this team won't play more together? Cuz they for sure as hell don't get along with him. We've never got an opportunity to see this team without Marble.. Oh wait... We did. Last 15 min in the first half against Illinois and we took total control. Marble show comes back in after half and forces everything and down the shoot...
 
OKHawk said:
When you get outrebounded by one of the worst rebounding teams in the BIG, how do you expect to get those fastbreaks? Did Collins coach a great game, maybe. But Fran coached an equally crappy game. Same story all year. Did the coach at Illinois, Indiana, etc., etc., coach great games too or was it that Iowa just aint that good. I'll take the latter for $1000 Alex.
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I listened to the game (my grandson's birth is definitely more important than an Iowa game), so I didn't actually see it. But... the stats say that Iowa won the rebounding battle 37-29. In fact, we made more free throws than NW took, had more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, less fouls and less turnovers. What struck me was our inability to hit shots. Looking at the stats we were 20-62 from the field for the game. You aren't going to win many games shooting that poorly.
 
Knight78 said:
I listened to the game (my grandson's birth is definitely more important than an Iowa game), so I didn't actually see it. But... the stats say that Iowa won the rebounding battle 37-29. In fact, we made more free throws than NW took, had more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, less fouls and less turnovers. What struck me was our inability to hit shots. Looking at the stats we were 20-62 from the field for the game. You aren't going to win many games shooting that poorly.
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and NW hit 11 3s. game.
 
Knight78 said:
I listened to the game (my grandson's birth is definitely more important than an Iowa game), so I didn't actually see it. But... the stats say that Iowa won the rebounding battle 37-29. In fact, we made more free throws than NW took, had more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, less fouls and less turnovers. What struck me was our inability to hit shots. Looking at the stats we were 20-62 from the field for the game. You aren't going to win many games shooting that poorly.
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We look pathetic in the half court. NW took away the run n gun and we looked lost. We need more 3 pt threats and a guy or two (to replace Marble) who can create their own shot, otherwise the same thing is going to happen next year.

Congrats on your grandson - I'm sure that experience beats the hell out of watching the game.
 
They may play another game but it will be the same old tune. They just don't play in sync. They are a talented team but something takes the drive to win out of them. The coach plays an important part in findng the right combination.
 
WaterboyHawkeye said:
And how do you know that? What's to say this team won't play more together? Cuz they for sure as hell don't get along with him. We've never got an opportunity to see this team without Marble.. Oh wait... We did. Last 15 min in the first half against Illinois and we took total control. Marble show comes back in after half and forces everything and down the shoot...
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So before this skid he had nothing to do with Iowa winning and Iowa playing well as a team?

When you begin to blame one player for losses like folks did with Oglesby on this board last year, you grasp for straws.

The problem with this team begins and ends on the defensive end of the floor.

The other problem is this team got a bit of a big chest with the ranking. People have punched them in the mouth and they have fallen apart. I would agree with you on Marble if other players have been playing well during this skid, but it simply hasn't been the case. So many players have just become invisible, not every game, but in some games.

Hell, Marble has even disappeared in halves and shown up in others, it isn't a Marble problem. If Marble isn't a leader, that is okay, who is going to step up and be that guy? How about the PG, oh wait, he likes to recklessly dribble and get his shot blocked and not look for a big guy to dump it too. How about White, oh wait, he plays when he wants too as well and just flat out disappears. How about Basabe, oh wait, he has never been vocal and never will be. How about McCabe, oh wait, he is too busy fouling.

Who has even tried to step up and either take control of a game or be a leader, who? If that is one guy's fault, why didn't it affect them earlier in the season?
 
JonDMiller said:
They don't play for one another...or rather, they have stopped playing for one another. The chemistry they once had is all gone.

I am not saying they don't like each other, but they just don't seem to go out of their way all that much for each other, like close teams do, like last year's Iowa team did.

I am guessing White is tired of how few touches he gets in scoring position where he isn't forced to dribble drive, which is hard for him because people don't respect his jump shot.

Maybe I am wrong...perhaps I am grasping at straws, too...but that's what it looked like from the couch.
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I agree has mailed it in, too many players not enough minutes and especially not enough success....but.

White doesnt deserve touches, his offensive repitiore is basically nonexsistent, he cant do anything with the ball from anywhere on the floor outside 15 inches uncontested.

Hes a cleanup guy who runs the court well, but not a good rebounder, finisher or defender.
 
sportstalent said:
So before this skid he had nothing to do with Iowa winning and Iowa playing well as a team?

When you begin to blame one player for losses like folks did with Oglesby on this board last year, you grasp for straws.

The problem with this team begins and ends on the defensive end of the floor.

The other problem is this team got a bit of a big chest with the ranking. People have punched them in the mouth and they have fallen apart. I would agree with you on Marble if other players have been playing well during this skid, but it simply hasn't been the case. So many players have just become invisible, not every game, but in some games.

Hell, Marble has even disappeared in halves and shown up in others, it isn't a Marble problem. If Marble isn't a leader, that is okay, who is going to step up and be that guy? How about the PG, oh wait, he likes to recklessly dribble and get his shot blocked and not look for a big guy to dump it too. How about White, oh wait, he plays when he wants too as well and just flat out disappears. How about Basabe, oh wait, he has never been vocal and never will be. How about McCabe, oh wait, he is too busy fouling.

Who has even tried to step up and either take control of a game or be a leader, who? If that is one guy's fault, why didn't it affect them earlier in the season?
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This teams problem is more than X's and O's. This teams problem is in the locker room with their chemistry. Their is obviously tension between the players. They even said tonight on TV, Marble doesn't look anybody in the eyes when he says anything to them or gives them a high five. I think they're getting tired of his me above the team attitude which he definitely displays. With the way he plays and over social media. I dont think that other players are too scared. I think they just have the impression Dev is gonna hog it regardless so why try. He always has to have the attention. Oglesby could make 6 threes in a row then stand their wide open and Dev would try to one up. Seen it multiple times this season. I think they're just gonna let Dev do his thing for one more loss then he's gone and they'll be happy.
 
Before Marble is crucified about Twitter account, keep in mind he had his personal account and there is an account @RDM4POY that is probably run by a FAN trying to promote Dev as big 10 player of year and boasting his stats and accomplishments.

In my opinion, this is all mental and or fatigue, not Marble. Tired unmotivated players miss shots and play poor defense. If Marble didn't score 25, who was gonna replace his points?
 
UweBlab said:
Before Marble is crucified about Twitter account, keep in mind he had his personal account and there is an account @RDM4POY that is probably run by a FAN trying to promote Dev as big 10 player of year and boasting his stats and accomplishments.

In my opinion, this is all mental and or fatigue, not Marble. Tired unmotivated players miss shots and play poor defense. If Marble didn't score 25, who was gonna replace his points?
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And he retweets it like it's his job. Humble players don't do that. The kid is selfish with a huge ego. There is no denying it.
 
I think there is a lot of overanalyzing going on with this team. The problem as I see it is that there is a gross overstatement of the talent level on the roster, aided in part by the team playing a bit above its talent earlier in the year. No amount of toughness or grit is going to overcome your point guard, three point specialist and center going 0 for 18 from the floor. Iowa has zero, zip, zilch consistent shooters. Worse yet, it only has two players (Marble and Oglesby) that can even be considered streak shooters (Utoff's hot shooting night notwithstanding). Add on to that that there is only one player one player on the entire roster that can actually break an opponent down off the dribble. It's amazing to me they won 20 games with this group.

It all goes back to hitting shots.

I'll add that the starting lineup should have been shaken up a long time ago. It's no secret the start of the second half of each of the last 8 games has been brutal. Woodbury should be coming off the bench - should have happened during that stretch where Oleseani was clearly outplaying him.
 
This team would be absolutely lost without Marble. He's the only one producing consistently.

If chemistry is shot on this team, then take a look at White. His mouth has not backed up his play.

Isn't he the one that said he's sick-and-tired of losing to teams that Iowa is better than? And that was at the beginning of conference play.

His play in conference is not the play of a marquee player.

I don't care if he's out-of-position at a three. He knew he was going to be a 3 this season and did nothing in the off-season or the all-star trip to increase his skill-level at a 3. The way he is playing for the Hawks is the way he played on the all-star team: deferring to better ballplayers as a role player.

Here try this on for size:
4NOV2013

ESPN men's college basketball analyst Dan Dakich says the University of Iowa has the potential to be a top 10 team if junior Aaron White is ready to take them there.

"Aaron White is a big factor," said Dakich. "He is a player that can run, jump, guard different positions, score, and has a good sense. His development as an all-league player would put Iowa at a different level.

"If he is a good player, Iowa can be good. His development as an all-league-type guy would put Iowa among the top-10 teams in the country."

White is coming off a summer where he was a member of Team USA, competing at the 2013 World University Games. As a sophomore, he averaged 12.8 points and 6.2 rebounds en route to third team All-Big Ten honors. He has started the last 52 games dating back to his freshman season.

"When you have that kind of experience combined with that kind of ability, you have to become an all-league player," said Dakich. "If he does, this is a top-10 team."



With the Hawkeyes entering the season projected as an NCAA Tournament team and a sleeper in the Big Ten Conference, Dakich is interested to see how the Hawkeyes handle the hype.

"In Iowa City, everyone knows who you are and you have the opportunity to screw up," he said. "Screwing up can be internal when you start believing in people other than your coach, start believing in people telling you how great you are instead of going to work.

"The thing I am eager to see early, not necessarily if they're winning, but how they're playing. You can win games in the nonconference, but it's going to get exposed in the Big Ten. I want to see who the kids are listening too."

Dakich says if Iowa is able to stay focused and continue to improve, anything is possible.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/61294-dakich-thinks-iowa-could-top-10-team-2.html




Following Iowa's win at then rated #3 Ohio State, Aaron White said this:

"We've proven all year long that we're one of the top teams,'' said White, who stuck it to the biggest powerhouse in his home state. ''This finally puts it on our resume to signify that. We've been up on teams that are highly ranked, but we've lost those games down the stretch by not making key plays. I'm really happy, because that's all we've been stressing, the 40-minute game and playing to win. And that's what we did.''

Iowa Hawkeyes vs. Ohio State Buckeyes Recap - CBSSports.com

The same article led with this:

"There's an invisible line that a good team must cross to become a national or even conference contender.
Iowa climbed over that mental barrier on Sunday.
. . . .
It was a watershed game for a program that has fallen short in big games continually over the past several years."


 
MiniMoeHawk said:
Clemmons sits for 58 minutes and then is supposed to come into the game for lockdown D. He got burned right away....The players need a chance to get some confidence and find their hot streaks.
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Yes, theres a reason nobody goes 9/10 deep in college badketball, it doesnt work. Mosy guys worried about being pulled dont perform, they either force it ( Mcabe/Jok), or play scared and or never get in rythm.
 
sportstalent said:
Have you watched Iowa this year? When they have the advantage, they either miss a layup, pass it late, or don't pass at all...nothing new there. When opponents even get one guy back, Iowa is lost in the fast break.
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White and Marble never give the ball up for easy assists. They force the issue and usaualy end up at the line but I think they are coached to force the issue
 
MiniMoeHawk said:
Iowa was forced to play NW style ball...How many fast break opportunities were there? NW ran solid offensive sets and finally made some shots. NW deserved the win. Collins couched a great game
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They made shots because Iowa tries to trap, fails and in doin so leaves guys wide open all game.
 
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