Are you personally worried about getting the Coronavirus?
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The article also said from the NIH director that a less virulent mutated form of this same virus may have been circulating of years if not decades so maybe some people do have immunity. Immune people and those that have got the virus and survived are the ones who can maybe be used to give antibodies for a quicker antibody test and to develop vaccines and a cure.
HawkGold
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Even worse...Illinois and Wisconsin schmucks. The MN Hawk Schmuck hasn't driven by in awhile.
HawkGold
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I agree with it not likely being a weapon. About their own population, maybe you missed history with Cultural Revolution, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and so on.
Soviet Communism wasn't a ideological battle. It was a method for a few to control the masses for power and money. Soviet leaders were amazing capitalistic monopolists.
China leaders have a huge demographic (old people) It's not sustainable. They are losing control. I doubt this is related to that. However I doubt they step aside peacefully.
You should go to places like the concentration camps. You would see things differently.
Again , doubt a correlation with COVID 19, but I would hate a world where no one raised their eyebrows.
New Orleans had approx 1500 cases on Weds and 2000+ on Thursday. A 33% increase so just quickly we can say their rates are doubling about every 3 days. So by end of Saturday they will probalby be around 3000. Then watch out with their spread but I hope they can put it out.
I agree about the number of tests being a big reason for the spike. I'm more concerned with the number hospitalized. That number is accelerating too. There's no way a huge percent of the population had it a month ago because there was very few people in the hospital a month ago.
I also saw where Australia was ready to release a new 15 minute test. That will help a lot.
The other problem with the number of positive tests is only people who think they have it are getting tested. If they opened the doors for testing 2 months ago, there wouldn't be that many people lined up to get tested. This thing is either spreading way more rapidly than they guessed, or the death rate is accurate. Both are equally dangerous to the health care system. The more people are getting tested, the more it looks like it's the former.
Hell I didnt miss any of that history. Give me a break.
But and a big BUT this is not Mao's China. China now wants to dominate economically and to do that they need their people to make lots of stuff for sale overseas. Yeah, they probably have some leaders and crazy right wing thinkers who would love to somehow get rid of a bunch of their elderly. But maybe their elderly are a big part of the child care situation in China. I am not sure if China has actually come out of the one child edict or if they have a shortage of working age people. But if everyone is working who are watching and raising the kids??
China is trying to build islands and establish colonies in the South China Sea, they have a big presence with workers and firms in Africa, they are trying to buy and take over islands very far south in the pacific and want to be close to Australia and New Zealand. These are not the signs of a Maoist, inclusive, hidden regime.
HawkGold
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Just discussing. Many conspiracy followers aren't thinking a communist thing but a deep state where profit is key and many people are worthless and a drain on profits. I never really had seen it until my travels to east east Europe where this gets a lot of attention. The hatred of expendables is shocking.
The war in Ukraine is a lot about that. The Ukrainian militias when armed by the US are a scary bunch. It's a holdover of the Binders group that fought the Soviets during ww2 on the Nazi side and into the 50s. When well armed they beat the hell out of the Russians. The Ukrainian Army not so much.
EstronHawkKing
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I'm not mad at the people of china, I'm f-ing pissed at their Communist government for hiding the virus from the rest of the world when it first came about what some think started there back in November.
EstronHawkKing
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The voices inside his head are telling him to do so
okeefe4prez
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Partially, but that is only a little piece of what they are concerned with long term. The Chinese understand that wealth ultimately derives from the land or intellectual property. On the land front, you note their forward naval bases, but those are only part of the story. The Chinese have placed huge bets on rare earth minerals and petro resources in Africa. On the intellectual property side, a condition precedent to a foreign company opening up shop in China is that you have to grant the Chinese government an ownership stake in your enterprise and a perpetual license to intellectual property you use in China. Their government has zero, absolutely zero, respect for foreign intellectual property rights. Their entire modern train system is built on IP that was misappropriated from Japan and Western Europe. The government paid a little bit to induce the companies in, with the promise of a potential huge payday, and in exchange they stole the IP and don't pay a nickel of recurring royalties.
GoHawks12345
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Yes, but they face the potential for huge social unrest if people don't have jobs to just scrap by.
Researchers know how to attack these RNA type viruses which covid 19 is and they know how to map it, develop antibody vaccines and cures and I hope with time they can find all those needed items with this virus. As the head of one of Boston's hospitals said today their are companies working on testing known medicines for other viruses that block the RNA from becoming DNA in the infected persons cells which can stop the virus's actions (if it is also safe for the person).
But I have to say this is the time for the Prez and the Fed Govt to order companies to make masks, ventilators, new drugs and test them, order the making of millions of tests. I heard that GM and other companies are working on contracts to retool and build ventilators. What the hell, set up the protection act to order companies to do this and then reimburse them later if need be. The Govt has ordered under FDR the construction of roads, dams, bridges, and planting of millions of trees, General Groves was put in
Did anyone watch one of the head general's of the Corp of Engineers on Rachel Maddow last nite? Now there is a manager who knows how to gather the available forces to build beds and isolation units and they are doing at about 100 sites around the country.
One of the key points/phrases you make with China is "long term". They have 5000 years of recorded history to the US's basically 300 years. They know they can demand intell. property contracts because they know how greedy the West is to work in China, sell to China, and try to make a buck. China will out wait any company in negotiations. The govt of China will out wait almost all countries all the time in negotiations.
China could probably out wait the US on any tariffs, on IP with private firms, and with other closed door or partially close door policies. They have that long history on their side... and unlike 40 years ago when Nixon first opened up trade relations China is in the CAT BIRD SEAT. People worry about China calling their notes with the US but they wont do it because China makes too much money off of us.
And China has a dictator and upper leaders who can tell their populace you will just have to do without as much food and goods during these tariff embargoes and trade fights. American leaders cannot outlast the waiting periods of China's leaders because we have elections so often, citizens want their chinese made toys, etc etc. N Korea does the same thing with an absolute dictator.
The main problem with the philosophy of full socialism and communism is these forms of govt do not account for the bad nature of humans as in greed of the few leaders and how leaders tend to become dictators. The vast majority of the populace just want to work and improve their lives and have a good life but there will always be a few certain people who bubble up to top leadership through greed and downright stealth and murder like a Stalin.
But I have to say this is the time for the Prez and the Fed Govt to order companies to make masks, ventilators, new drugs and test them, order the making of millions of tests. I heard that GM and other companies are working on contracts to retool and build ventilators. What the hell, set up the protection act to order companies to do this and then reimburse them later if need be. The Govt has ordered under FDR the construction of roads, dams, bridges, and planting of millions of trees, General Groves was put in
Did anyone watch one of the head general's of the Corp of Engineers on Rachel Maddow last nite? Now there is a manager who knows how to gather the available forces to build beds and isolation units and they are doing at about 100 sites around the country.
One of the key points/phrases you make with China is "long term". They have 5000 years of recorded history to the US's basically 300 years. They know they can demand intell. property contracts because they know how greedy the West is to work in China, sell to China, and try to make a buck. China will out wait any company in negotiations. The govt of China will out wait almost all countries all the time in negotiations.
China could probably out wait the US on any tariffs, on IP with private firms, and with other closed door or partially close door policies. They have that long history on their side... and unlike 40 years ago when Nixon first opened up trade relations China is in the CAT BIRD SEAT. People worry about China calling their notes with the US but they wont do it because China makes too much money off of us.
And China has a dictator and upper leaders who can tell their populace you will just have to do without as much food and goods during these tariff embargoes and trade fights. American leaders cannot outlast the waiting periods of China's leaders because we have elections so often, citizens want their chinese made toys, etc etc. N Korea does the same thing with an absolute dictator.
The main problem with the philosophy of full socialism and communism is these forms of govt do not account for the bad nature of humans as in greed of the few leaders and how leaders tend to become dictators. The vast majority of the populace just want to work and improve their lives and have a good life but there will always be a few certain people who bubble up to top leadership through greed and downright stealth and murder like a Stalin.
People, in general, are good. Individuals with enormous power will often make self-serving decisions to help maintain that power. I am sure China's government is not alone in bad-acting in response to this situation, but I strongly agree with you that their immense state-power (and pretty much total media control) allows them to pull off terrible things that most governments could not hope to. And so many global organizations kowtow due to the immense Chinese influence on the global economy.
yes, you are right which is why I mentioned Africa. I believe China already has a near monopoly on the mining and purification of rare earth metals needed in the computer industry. The US had a couple of businesses doing this but iirc they went offshore to save money and are now out of the business. The US is totally beholden to Chinese imports and imports from a few extra countries in this area.
And iirc there are deposits in this country but there isnt the profit margins to keep the sites and factories here. Well then it is time for the US Govt to either go into this business themselves or have price supports to have supplies controlled in the US. Talk about a threat to business and economy in the US. The US could smelt the metals here even by buying raw materials from other countries.
hawkdrummer1
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I'm not a Doctor...but there are many credible medical sources saying to avoid ADVIL (ibuprofen). It seems to interact w COVID 19 and "jump start" things toward pneumonia. A majority of people who are hospitalized w severe respiratory distress had taken ADVIL (ibuprofen) for their symptoms. Those who had not taken it, are recovering much more readily.
Take Tylenol (acetaminophen) for your aches and pains. EDIT: NOT Motrin, that is also ibuprofen.
DO NOT take Advil or generic ibuprofen.
I wouldn't post this unless I was confident in my sources. This comes from people treating affected patients.
Take Tylenol (acetaminophen) for your aches and pains. EDIT: NOT Motrin, that is also ibuprofen.
DO NOT take Advil or generic ibuprofen.
I wouldn't post this unless I was confident in my sources. This comes from people treating affected patients.
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I heard that awhile back, but then heard that the WHO said it wasn't proven true yet. But that was also awhile back. Thanks for posting.
hawkdrummer1
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I know folks who work in ICU and respiratory therapy. They tell me it's not an "absolute" connection, but there's a pretty distinct pattern. Certainly enough of one to use an alternate to Ibuprofen. It's an easy risk factor to avoid.
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