Urban Meyer - Can Someone Please Explain To Me?

MelroseHawkins said:
My whole point is who cares if he knew or what he knew. Is he required to report on a private matter of an employee. Since it is a private matter and not associated with the football program, why doesn't Urban have the right to have the court system file a verdict and he fire the coach after the verdict if guilty? Why is it his responsibility to become the investigator, jury or judge in this case in a private matter? Just seems weird to me.
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He doesn't. He just has to report it.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Yea, it's really dumb when you think about it. Why didn't they? Wasn't like you can't replace a WR coach, no matter how good they are. When coaches try covering crap up is when shit goes completely south.

I created this post to create some discussion and bring out view points. I thank all for the discussion. I really wanted to know what university policy they had or what was stated in his contract to show what made him required to report.
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At this point it hardly matters anymore if he broke his contract or broke any rules. Urban is a public figure on a similar plane to a politician. He does not have the luxury of making mistakes. He is simply not allowed to "look the other way" over anything. That is just the way it works. It may not be logical and may not even be Urban's fault, but his shoulders will carry the weight because he is the highly paid public figure.
 
If there is a whistleblower policy in place and he knew about it, he is in the wrong. Having said that, for counselors and teachers and nurses, etc, it is a lot more difficult and uncomfortable to have a relationship with someone after you make that call. If its unfounded, thats a tough place to be. Bottom line is, knowing what is right in this case has some definite blurred lines. Again, it all comes back to our society wanting to blame anyone but the perpetrator. JoePa didnt rape any kids. If he knew about it, thats criminal not to report about kids. Very sad choice by a human being to conceal. Domestic abuse on a grown woman? Of course most of us would get involved and tell her to call the police and stand behind her, etc. But if one chooses not to get involved, why should they be the villain. Argue if you must. Argue that women dont have rights and they live in fear of men and the repercussions. I guess we will just blame bystanders instead. There is no win or even tie if you are the innocent in this situation. What if he reports and the assistant coach, who obviously is violent, turns violent on Meyer? He should have reported it, but lets not put him on the level of the perpetrator. And yes, i hope he moves on because he's too good of a coach to deal with.
 
VTHawk said:
He doesn't. He just has to report it.
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That's it that's all. When it comes to friends of the family to that extent it's tough to do what you'd feel like is ratting them out.. Even if it's absolutely the best and only thing that should be done. I think that age old way of thinking about domestic issues being private matters is a fine line. Physical violence to any extent needs to be taken seriously and it should be human nature to step in and help not ignore. Folks that have the 'it's not my business' attitude are a reason why it can be as bad as it can get.
 
Fryowa said:
Because Smith is Earle Bruce’s grandson. UM has said ad nauseum how Bruce was his mentor and that he had more influence on his life than anyone other than his dad. UM worshipped the ground he walked on. He felt a duty to protect the kid, however fucked up that may be.
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This is 100% why he covered for this guy and stuck his neck out for a POS. Good take, beat me to it cause I was busy last night :)
 
Good episode on the whole situation last night on Outside the Lines. Courtney Smith called the cops on the old man for beating on her 9 times. After seeing the pictures that she took afterwards, I don't see how the guy isn't in jail.

I cannot wrap my head around how people abuse animals. I don't understand how someone can sexually or physically assault a child. And I sure as hell don't get how a man can beat the crap out of his wife. I really don't give a shit about 'ol Urb, at this point. I want this POS Coach Smith to do some real hard time.
 
I watched the Courtney Smith interview and saw the text messages that were put up on the screen. All she indicated to Shelley Meyer was that they were having problems and that she had enough and it had to stop. Not once did she indicate in the text messages anything about domestic violence. She only claimed there was domestic violence during the interview. How would Urban know anything if Shelley didnt know anything? If there were other text messages where she told Shelley Meyer about abuse, she should of posted them. Courtney Smith admitted she withheld coming right out and telling everyone because it would cause Zach to lose his job. That alone tells me that Urban Meyer knew there was a police investigation, but even Courtney Smith admitted that nothing came of it. She also said that she dropped the charges in the 2009 incident. If Courtney Smith would of fully disclosed everything that was going on, I believe Urban Meyer would of taken action sooner. I dont condone domestic violence, but if the victim isnt forthcoming with the full story, I dont see how Urban can be held responsible. When he did finally suspect something was going on, he fired the guy! Watch the interview yourself and listen to what she says and read the texts she posted. She was being vague as far as the level of abuse that was going on. As far as what the Meyers may have knew, they were just not getting along and were going to get a divorce. Nothing coming out of the investigation is on the police, not the Meyers. Did the admins at MSU sexually assault those women? No! But they got their heads chopped after the fact! If a chicken sees a fox kill another chicken, do you kill the chicken? No! You kill the fox!
 
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1hawkeye1 said:
Good episode on the whole situation last night on Outside the Lines. Courtney Smith called the cops on the old man for beating on her 9 times. After seeing the pictures that she took afterwards, I don't see how the guy isn't in jail.

I cannot wrap my head around how people abuse animals. I don't understand how someone can sexually or physically assault a child. And I sure as hell don't get how a man can beat the crap out of his wife. I really don't give a shit about 'ol Urb, at this point. I want this POS Coach Smith to do some real hard time.
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I agree on the animal part and assaulting a child in any way is reason to burn in hell. The wife thing...is unacceptable also. In the end it comes down to how mentally stable you are. If you have been married...you know arguments can happen...and she's taken me to the brink a few times...but there is a barrier that is part of the foundation of your mental make up...that can't be climbed no matter the frustration or anger level. Some people are obviously missing that control.
 
Anyone have access to Bucknuts? Wondering how big of a meltdown is happening over there....
 
Seth53 said:
Anyone have access to Bucknuts? Wondering how big of a meltdown is happening over there....
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Just checked one forum. Man they are tearing into Courtney Smith. "She's a drunk who's gotten 3 DUI's." "She's bat shit crazy." "Called the cops on her husband 66 times in 90 days for stalking her. Most of the time wobbling drunk." "How come her family isn't coming to her aid?"

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They might be right on every one of those points. But it doesn't excuse his domestic violence, and it doesn't excuse Urb for not reporting it when he has a contractual obligation to do so.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
Just checked one forum. Man they are tearing into Courtney Smith. "She's a drunk who's gotten 3 DUI's." "She's bat shit crazy." "Called the cops on her husband 66 times in 90 days for stalking her. Most of the time wobbling drunk." "How come her family isn't coming to her aid?"

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They might be right on every one of those points. But it doesn't excuse his domestic violence, and it doesn't excuse Urb for not reporting it when he has a contractual obligation to do so.
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Denial is a wonderful thing in Ohio it seems....
 
ModebaSan said:
I watched the Courtney Smith interview and saw the text messages that were put up on the screen. All she indicated to Shelley Meyer was that they were having problems and that she had enough and it had to stop. Not once did she indicate in the text messages anything about domestic violence. She only claimed there was domestic violence during the interview. How would Urban know anything if Shelley didnt know anything? If there were other text messages where she told Shelley Meyer about abuse, she should of posted them. Courtney Smith admitted she withheld coming right out and telling everyone because it would cause Zach to lose his job. That alone tells me that Urban Meyer knew there was a police investigation, but even Courtney Smith admitted that nothing came of it. She also said that she dropped the charges in the 2009 incident. If Courtney Smith would of fully disclosed everything that was going on, I believe Urban Meyer would of taken action sooner. I dont condone domestic violence, but if the victim isnt forthcoming with the full story, I dont see how Urban can be held responsible. When he did finally suspect something was going on, he fired the guy! Watch the interview yourself and listen to what she says and read the texts she posted. She was being vague as far as the level of abuse that was going on. As far as what the Meyers may have knew, they were just not getting along and were going to get a divorce. Nothing coming out of the investigation is on the police, not the Meyers. Did the admins at MSU sexually assault those women? No! But they got their heads chopped after the fact! If a chicken sees a fox kill another chicken, do you kill the chicken? No! You kill the fox!
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so, you think they didn't know about the police report when he was arrested in 2009 in Gainesville? Or you think when Urban's attorney pressured her to drop the charges he didn't know that either? Or how about 2015 when there was a police report and Urban probably didn't know about that either, but once he found out in 2018 from a reporter who put it out there, he fired the guy within 50 minutes of the report but only to say that the reporter made it up? There's NO way Urban is coming out of this clean with the "I didn't know" - they can try and sell that bill of goods, but I don't think it flies.
 
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I can't wait for the Smith defense, "I was defending myself"...and "i was in fear for my life". This wreaks of blaming the victim...which is a loser of a strategy by the way. If she was a drunk...then you know to stay away from her...because it appears the end of the episode is always the same...cops and someone gets physically hurt. Time to leave.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
I agree on the animal part and assaulting a child in any way is reason to burn in hell. The wife thing...is unacceptable also. In the end it comes down to how mentally stable you are. If you have been married...you know arguments can happen...and she's taken me to the brink a few times...but there is a barrier that is part of the foundation of your mental make up...that can't be climbed no matter the frustration or anger level. Some people are obviously missing that control.
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Amen. The whole part of violence that I fail to comprehend is as the person throwing the punches at any point while either doing it or after does it make them feel better? Or why do it I mean thankfully I don't comprehend all that I guess but the thought of myself looking at someone I care about looking like some of those folks that have beat on because of me would make me sick.
 
uihawk82 said:
Man you are way out there on this. First, we dont know the whole story but you act like Urban has already been fired. Two, this is a public university which accepts federal tax money and there are federal laws against this kind of shit whether it is a married couple. Your argument about your boss at a private company is a totally different situation of "what about-ism". Jesus, the UI has to follow fed law when it comes to equal access to sport participation etc so I think hiring and maintaining a work relationship with a wife beater, if that was the truth is, is enough to get Urban fired or penalized if he knew about it and especially if he lied about it.
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I work right in the middle of academia at the U. Please quote me the federal or state statute that addresses state employees (typical not coaches contracts) and whether we are required to fire subordinates who are accused of domestic assaults/situations. I manage a staff of 18 right in the middle of academia, so I would really like to know. I have to be very careful how I manage my staff, interview candidates, make sure I follow proper procedures, etc., but, nobody ever told me that I would be canned if one of my staff had a charge or conviction in a private setting. I realize I am not a coach but you are referring to universities and staff as a whole.

My point is that it comes down to the language in the contract, not so much federal or state guidelines. Please quote me the federal law universities are to follow, concerning what we are discussing.

It's easy just to assume and spew chit out without anything to back up statements.
 
theboat said:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that Meyer will have legal consequences, but keeping his job is not a legal issue. He had a moral and ethical and contractual responsibility that he failed.
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Well, I did mean legally or contractually.
 
Adam said:
At this point it hardly matters anymore if he broke his contract or broke any rules. Urban is a public figure on a similar plane to a politician. He does not have the luxury of making mistakes. He is simply not allowed to "look the other way" over anything. That is just the way it works. It may not be logical and may not even be Urban's fault, but his shoulders will carry the weight because he is the highly paid public figure.
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Well stated.
 
Somebody else posted this in another thread so I'll post it here. This was reported a few days ago, is quite lengthy but has a lot of information about the situation.

Brett McMurphy
 
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