Urban Meyer - Can Someone Please Explain To Me?

[InGoodCo]

My whole point is who cares if he knew or what he knew. Is he required to report on a private matter of an employee. Since it is a private matter and not associated with the football program, why doesn't Urban have the right to have the court system file a verdict and he fire the coach after the verdict if guilty? Why is it his responsibility to become the investigator, jury or judge in this case in a private matter? Just seems weird to me.

because he's in charge of his program and CFB is not a place where you allow wife beaters to roam your sideline- read Stanzi's post, he really laid it out better then I have.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Holy hell this isn't that hard to understand. Some of you frighten the hell out of me for society and its future.

you mean some actually believe urban didn't know?

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Well, it is fair to inquire as to whether Urban is going receive due process and note that we don't have all of the facts.

That's my point about my paragraph above you nailed my on. I'm not saying Courtney Smith is bat shit crazy by any means, but, we don't know the entire story. It's a custody battle so can get pretty nasty. Smith should have never laid a hand on her so he should get what he gets.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Just seems weird to me.

Yes, it's totally weird but this is the legal process these schools have created to cover their own asses. The wife beater is an employee of OSU, not of Urban personally, but OSU wants to foist the blame for anything he does onto Urban so as to protect OSU. That's why they have all this mandatory disclosure shit in the contracts now. It's so if something goes astray, you can throw Urban under the bus and protect the institution.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Holy hell this isn't that hard to understand. Some of you frighten the hell out of me for society and its future.

All I'm saying is this didn't happen on OSU grounds, in a football facility or against any OSU staff, student, faculty, etc..

Holy hell, think about something in depth a little bit instead of just hearing what the media states. Sit down and actually analyze it instead of just flocking to the masses which is the safe play. Challenge something in your life.

Do you have employees or manage anybody at your job?

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I'll say it like this and this goes for Melrose or any one, if you know someone who's beating his wife but is facing no repercussions for doing so - you should turn them in, or really you're just as bad for not doing so.

Yes, I agree. But, legally, are you on the hook if you don't?

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Well I think he's not only broken made up contractual rules but also he and his wife may have broken title 9 laws... Hence why it's in the contract pretty much. Private schools may not have to have such things in their employment contracts but the public ones do. I for one have no problem with such responsibility being put on him because to me just like in this case he could be apt to find out about such a thing prior to it getting buried. Be it from his players or assistant coaches etc.

I think we men have a tough time trying to put ourselves in the womens shoes. I mean sure it's easy sitting here and saying 'why don't these women just report it right away' Well they have a heck of a lot of reasons to second guess doing that and a lot of them are because of how the justice system and men have made it not worth it for them to do so. Hopefully things are changing so women and anyone in those situations can not hesitate to come forward. Till then policies like this are a step that direction...

 

[judzeehawk]

But what if Meyer didn't know the entire story or have all the facts. What if Courtney Smith is really out to bury Zach because it is a custody battle. Maybe she is bat shit crazy. Who knows. Is it Urban's job to figure all this out, be Jury and Judge and fire the guy. I mean let the court system work out this private matter. Meyer can fire after being found guilty by the courts.

Check out the police photos.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

It is covered under “intimate violence” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_partner_violence

Ding! Ding! Ding!

There you have it. Thank you.

If it was a part of his contract, then yes, he's on the hook for it. But, there is a gray area. It wasn't at a university sponsored event or activity. It happened in their private home.

 

[judzeehawk]

Most abusers will say something like I'll kill you if you say anything. Believe it or not this really happens. The odds are they will eventually kill them. This is a very serious deal.

 

[judzeehawk]

This is BS and goes both ways. There are those who lie to gain leverage and those that are true Lau guiltynof said crime. I don’t agree any of it is right but we now live in a guilty before proven innocent world. If something is wrong or being beaten then report it and get away. We are all adults and accountable for all actions good and bad.

Maybe I’m in the minority but if being beaten for a decade or more and while pregnant and taken this long she also has to be accountable for continuing to forgive/stay instead of leave. It’s all truly awful but she chose to stay after he did this allegedly and forgive.

I’m tired of accepting responsibility for everyone’s actions. I’m tired of being sorry for being white and having to apologize for rich racists whom I’ve never been. I grew up around every race and trust me racism is there in all colors.

This isn’t a situation where she didn’t have means to get legal help/options and she choose to stay in a situation that was violent and toxic. She should’ve left the first time and I’m tired of victims continuing to go back to people like this and then they are free of guilt/responsibility for making that choice/decision.

Again, it’s all wrong and not right. But she could’ve left as she is an adult. I know most will attack as it’s cold and not PC but completely factual. I’m not going to make excuses for grown ass people who make own decisions as adults, right or wrong.

pootspot it's just not that easy. There's a lot that goes on that people don't understand. It's just not as cut and dried as she's an adult and can just walk away. People need to read up on this. Women actually get killed. It's awful and the female is usually safer staying with them than leaving. When they leave them is when they usually get killed. It's a horrible horrible thing to go through. If you aren't familiar with a case then it's hard to understand.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Exactly, it was an ongoing issue. All Urban or his wife had to do was report what they've been told to the Title IX coordinator. Easy peasy stuff.

Yea, it's really dumb when you think about it. Why didn't they? Wasn't like you can't replace a WR coach, no matter how good they are. When coaches try covering crap up is when shit goes completely south.

I created this post to create some discussion and bring out view points. I thank all for the discussion. I really wanted to know what university policy they had or what was stated in his contract to show what made him required to report.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Could have fooled me, I thought you were pro-domestic violence. At the end of the day, fraternizing with a known abuser is not a good look for the program, and Urban fraternized with a known abuser, so he's gonna take some heat. How much, I don't know.

I completely get it. I work in academia. It is ALL about the brand and protecting the brand and name. Much of it goes back to retaining booster $$$$$.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Melrose - I feel like you're missing the point here, either intentionally or unintentionally. The issue with Meyer isn't that Smith beat his wife. Of course that isn't Meyer's fault. If that was the only thing going on Meyer would be fine because he would have no control over that.

The problem is what Meyer did/didn't do with what he does have control over. It's irrelevant that what Smith did took place outside of the football facilities.

• He reportedly sent someone to pressure Smith's wife back in 2009 into not filing charges.
• He brought Smith along with him to Ohio State despite knowing of Smith's history of domestic violence.
• He failed to report the more recent accusations of domestic violence despite being in a position of authority.
• He failed to let Smith go back in 2015 when these additional accusations were going around. He could have ended it right there and chose not to.
• He blatantly lied about not knowing of the 2015 accusations against Smith when he fired Smith last week, and he used that lie as the basis for why he kept Smith on staff until last month.

If you really don't think Meyer did anything wrong then I guess I don't know what else I can say. I'm sure Kirk would love to have you as a supporter if something like this were to happen at Iowa.

Thanks for the timeline/outline. Yes, doesn't bode well.

 

[trj]

Leave the morality out of this for a second. I don’t understand why UM would put his career and reputation on the line for his guy.

You cut him loose, regardless. If you care about the dude, you work the back channels and make sure he lands on his feet, if you don’t let him twist in the wind.

Before people come at me I stated leave morality out of this for a brief moment.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Leave the morality out of this for a second. I don’t understand why UM would put his career and reputation on the line for his guy.

You cut him loose, regardless. If you care about the dude, you work the back channels and make sure he lands on his feet, if you don’t let him twist in the wind.

Before people come at me I stated leave morality out of this.

I agree. I don't know why Urban put so much into this coach.

I knew this thread was going to get a little dicey, because I separated out the morality to focus on the legality. I knew people would respond the way some did but was looking for frank discussion and the legal reason he was on the hook for this, which I got.

 

[Hawk90]

I agree with Stanzi's post, well written. However, I can't help but feel that Courtney Smith and/or her lawyer is going after the deepest pockets and that is why Urban and the University are being dragged into it.

 

[tksirius]

I agree with Stanzi's post, well written. However, I can't help but feel that Courtney Smith and/or her lawyer is going after the deepest pockets and that is why Urban and the University are being dragged into it.

Well, if they helped cover it up...

 

[pootspot]

pootspot it's just not that easy. There's a lot that goes on that people don't understand. It's just not as cut and dried as she's an adult and can just walk away. People need to read up on this. Women actually get killed. It's awful and the female is usually safer staying with them than leaving. When they leave them is when they usually get killed. It's a horrible horrible thing to go through. If you aren't familiar with a case then it's hard to understand.

I agree with this and every situation is different. But this instance/case this guy has always had wealth and money and she had avenues for help most do not and stayed. And staying and accepting because you might get killed is an insane thought process/way to live.

He’s totally wrong and a POS to the fullest degree of all is true(looks that way but who really knows but them as is most cases like this) I glad she walked away if true but she also choose to forgive and go back/stay as well.

I feel worst for the kids who most likely witnessed this on numerous occasions.

 

[HawkGold]

This is BS and goes both ways. There are those who lie to gain leverage and those that are true Lau guiltynof said crime. I don’t agree any of it is right but we now live in a guilty before proven innocent world. If something is wrong or being beaten then report it and get away. We are all adults and accountable for all actions good and bad.

Maybe I’m in the minority but if being beaten for a decade or more and while pregnant and taken this long she also has to be accountable for continuing to forgive/stay instead of leave. It’s all truly awful but she chose to stay after he did this allegedly and forgive.

I’m tired of accepting responsibility for everyone’s actions. I’m tired of being sorry for being white and having to apologize for rich racists whom I’ve never been. I grew up around every race and trust me racism is there in all colors.

This isn’t a situation where she didn’t have means to get legal help/options and she choose to stay in a situation that was violent and toxic. She should’ve left the first time and I’m tired of victims continuing to go back to people like this and then they are free of guilt/responsibility for making that choice/decision.

Again, it’s all wrong and not right. But she could’ve left as she is an adult. I know most will attack as it’s cold and not PC but completely factual. I’m not going to make excuses for grown ass people who make own decisions as adults, right or wrong.

Your first paragraph shows you know little about abuse.