Urban Meyer - Can Someone Please Explain To Me?

[pythagoras]

Well, it is fair to inquire as to whether Urban is going receive due process and note that we don't have all of the facts.

Yep and I understand that.

 

[tksirius]

If this was an isolated instance, I think you might be on to something, but considering Courtney Smith confided in Meyer's wife who works as a nurse for TOSU BTW and should have reported it as well and has charges stemming all the way back to FL....probably not.

Exactly, it was an ongoing issue. All Urban or his wife had to do was report what they've been told to the Title IX coordinator. Easy peasy stuff.

 

[tksirius]

Does this really fit though? This refers to "sexual" misconduct. Not specifically to domestic assault.

"Intimate violence" = domestic violence

 

[okeefe4prez]

"Intimate violence" = domestic violence

Yes, the term "domestic" is not inclusive to people who are homeless or who do not subscribe to notions of households. The term domestic may make women feel as if though they are domesticated and 7 deans of inclusion and diversity held 300 hours of meetings to come up with this term.

 

[pootspot]

It is people like you who question allegations of women who make women less inclined to speak up about assault and violence issues. You should be ashamed.

This is BS and goes both ways. There are those who lie to gain leverage and those that are true Lau guiltynof said crime. I don’t agree any of it is right but we now live in a guilty before proven innocent world. If something is wrong or being beaten then report it and get away. We are all adults and accountable for all actions good and bad.

Maybe I’m in the minority but if being beaten for a decade or more and while pregnant and taken this long she also has to be accountable for continuing to forgive/stay instead of leave. It’s all truly awful but she chose to stay after he did this allegedly and forgive.

I’m tired of accepting responsibility for everyone’s actions. I’m tired of being sorry for being white and having to apologize for rich racists whom I’ve never been. I grew up around every race and trust me racism is there in all colors.

This isn’t a situation where she didn’t have means to get legal help/options and she choose to stay in a situation that was violent and toxic. She should’ve left the first time and I’m tired of victims continuing to go back to people like this and then they are free of guilt/responsibility for making that choice/decision.

Again, it’s all wrong and not right. But she could’ve left as she is an adult. I know most will attack as it’s cold and not PC but completely factual. I’m not going to make excuses for grown ass people who make own decisions as adults, right or wrong.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

Does this really fit though? This refers to "sexual" misconduct. Not specifically to domestic assault.

It is covered under “intimate violence” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_partner_violence

 

[InGoodCo]

Hey, times are different. We can have the discussion. Melrose asked for peeps to explain to him and we are. But many woman don't chose to turn their abusive partners in because they get bad advice from people that harbor that kind of treatment for the sake of "well, this will look bad for him and FL or TOSU" .... I don't think we can blame Courtney Smith for anything here.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

again I ask you - Should Joe Pa have said something about his assistant coach? Or, doesn't matter because what they do on their own time doesn't concern him?Yes, because that happen within the football program. In addition, in the football facilities. I don't think you can really compare the two.

It's not that way anywhere man. If I beat my wife tomorrow, I'm probably fired and I am not in the public spot light at all.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

It is people like you who question allegations of women who make women less inclined to speak up about assault and violence issues. You should be ashamed.

I prefaced my entire post stating I do not condone domestic assault. Don't label me this way. I am merely pointing out why one individual is on the hook for an employees private matter that happen in their home. Can Urban control what happen in the Smith's home? Is it right that Meyer can be buried by "allegations"?

Women should speak up. In addition, the correct men should be punished. I support that big guy.

 

[InGoodCo]

you can't compare the crimes no and you are right, it was happening at PSU - but you can compare Urban turning a blind eye to one of his assistants doing a heinous act just like Joe Pa did. Joe didn't see it happen, but he had to have known. He allowed it to go on and on and on. Urban didn't probably see it happen, but he had to know, and he let it go on and on and on...and when confronted about it, said "I don't know anything about it, it's a made up story"

 

[MelroseHawkins]

If this was an isolated instance, I think you might be on to something, but considering Courtney Smith confided in Meyer's wife who works as a nurse for TOSU BTW and should have reported it as well and has charges stemming all the way back to FL....probably not.

Where does the line stop, though, as far as who all are responsible for reporting? Meyer's wife works for Ohio State, if she is a required reporter, she should have gone to Gene Smith or the uppers and reported. Why isn't she at risk of losing her job? Maybe she is. I guess if she told the head coach (her husband in this case), perhaps he should have taken it to the correct administration. I see the line there. But, what if Stephanie Meyer was not a mandated reporter??

 

[InGoodCo]

I prefaced my entire post stating I do not condone domestic assault. Don't label me this way. I am merely pointing out why one individual is on the hook for an employees private matter that happen in their home. Can Urban control what happen in the Smith's home? Is it right that Meyer can be buried by "allegations"?

Women should speak up. In addition, the correct men should be punished. I support that big guy.

No, he can't control what happened in their home, but he could have likely helped put an end to it and didn't and instead of saying something like this at B1G media days "I was made aware of the situation with Coach Smith and his wife a while ago, we do not condone those kind of actions in our program and I should have terminated him years ago" - he doubled down and said that the author of the story was making it up.

 

[InGoodCo]

Where does the line stop, though, as far as who all are responsible for reporting? Meyer's wife works for Ohio State, if she is a required reporter, she should have gone to Gene Smith or the uppers and reported. Why isn't she at risk of losing her job? Maybe she is. I guess if she told the head coach (her husband in this case), perhaps he should have taken it to the correct administration. I see the line there. But, what if Stephanie Meyer was not a mandated reporter??

She should have reported it as well, and she will likely be just as culpable.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I'm not going this far, I am happy to have a discussion...but Urban's definitely at fault here and it's not really debatable. If he wasn't, why did he lie about it to EVERYONE just last week? He's covering it up.

I agree he was covering it up which isn't and doesn't look good. I'm sure he just wanted it to go away, as many coaches do with things like this.

 

[okeefe4prez]

I prefaced my entire post stating I do not condone domestic assault.

Could have fooled me, I thought you were pro-domestic violence. At the end of the day, fraternizing with a known abuser is not a good look for the program, and Urban fraternized with a known abuser, so he's gonna take some heat. How much, I don't know.

 

[Stanzi]

Melrose - I feel like you're missing the point here, either intentionally or unintentionally. The issue with Meyer isn't that Smith beat his wife. Of course that isn't Meyer's fault. If that was the only thing going on Meyer would be fine because he would have no control over that.

The problem is what Meyer did/didn't do with what he does have control over. It's irrelevant that what Smith did took place outside of the football facilities.

• He reportedly sent someone to pressure Smith's wife back in 2009 into not filing charges.
• He brought Smith along with him to Ohio State despite knowing of Smith's history of domestic violence.
• He failed to report the more recent accusations of domestic violence despite being in a position of authority.
• He failed to let Smith go back in 2015 when these additional accusations were going around. He could have ended it right there and chose not to.
• He blatantly lied about not knowing of the 2015 accusations against Smith when he fired Smith last week, and he used that lie as the basis for why he kept Smith on staff until last month.

If you really don't think Meyer did anything wrong then I guess I don't know what else I can say. I'm sure Kirk would love to have you as a supporter if something like this were to happen at Iowa.

 

[InGoodCo]

I agree he was covering it up which isn't and doesn't look good. I'm sure he just wanted it to go away, as many coaches do with things like this.

if ya see something say something. That's the world we live in now and you gotta do it, or to the public's eye, you're just as bad.

 

[BryceC]

Where does the line stop, though, as far as who all are responsible for reporting? Meyer's wife works for Ohio State, if she is a required reporter, she should have gone to Gene Smith or the uppers and reported. Why isn't she at risk of losing her job? Maybe she is. I guess if she told the head coach (her husband in this case), perhaps he should have taken it to the correct administration. I see the line there. But, what if Stephanie Meyer was not a mandated reporter??

I think the line should include the contract he signed stating that he is required to report this kind of thing.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Urban Meyer knows what kind of shoe laces they use, what his RB had for dinner that weekend and the text messages released by Smith pretty much indicate that all the wives and other coaching staff knew of this, but some how Urban didn't? It's a ridiculous notion and one that I don't think TOSU is gonna try and state.

My whole point is who cares if he knew or what he knew. Is he required to report on a private matter of an employee. Since it is a private matter and not associated with the football program, why doesn't Urban have the right to have the court system file a verdict and he fire the coach after the verdict if guilty? Why is it his responsibility to become the investigator, jury or judge in this case in a private matter? Just seems weird to me.

 

[Jonrn]

First and foremost, I do not condone wife abuse or domestic assault. But, why is Urban Meyer on the hook for Zach Smith's domestic assault issue? Is it some kind of Ohio State "Zero tolerance" policy or similar that could get him fired. If is, does this policy apply to coaches like the players?

Aren't Zach's actions/responsibilities for the football program different than his actions in his private life? Why is Urban paying for what Smith did in his private life? I mean, what if Urban did know, which I think he did? What does it matter? Is Urban required to get involved in this personal life issue if doesn't have anything to do with Smith's job as an assistant coach?

To me, they are two separate things, private life vs football. Why is Urban on the hook for Smith's private life mishaps, even though Urban knew about it or lied?

If I had a domestic assault incidence, I don't see my boss getting fired over it. It's a private matter. Would your boss be fired over your domestic assault, even if they knew about it and didn't do anything.

Why was Urban mandated to address this private matter and do something about it, if may not have had an affect on the football team? I don't get it. Anybody else seeing my point? This just bugs me for some reason. To me, this is a private issue with Zach Smith and his ex-wife. I must be missing something.

It’s more like this, if a subordinate under your direct supervision is a violent criminal and you lied to authorities about your knowledge of it and kept him employed? You’d be fired.