Trump supporters, how do you square this?
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They didn't need guns to get into the building and trespass. They needed guns to overthrow the government tho.
Also they outnumbered the police because Trumps request for more troops was denied. Why it was denied can be debated (not sure how), but they were denied.
That's true. I notice a big difference when I switch back and forth.
A recent case in point for my X feed is the new Columbia drama. For every tweet I see saying Trump is a negotiating genius, I see one that says he's an idiot and is going to raise coffee prices ten fold. Just when I think one side won the negotiating battle, I see something that makes me think maybe the other side won. It's almost comical for one. But for two, it's evidence on how balanced my feed is. That's not to say other people's feeds are equally balanced tho.
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Some people might believe this news is from a sitting member of congress. But Fry will tell you this news is directly from Elon Musk since the video of the conversation came from X.
It talks about the January 6th pipe bomb, who found it, and how it directly affected people getting into the capitol. This isn't some "I got you" video. It's just interesting information that I hadn't heard about yet.
For those who won't watch. A capitol officer is the one who found the bomb. Also the timing of the finding prevented the bringing in of more bicycle racks that were being used as barriers. Again, it's not a gotcha because it doesn't prove anything of relevance. I just found both of those facts interesting. Especially the connection of the bombs and how their findings helped change the course of the day.
All of the traitorous patriots were there because Trump invited them. The takeover or sedition was a plan to stop the counting of votes so Trump could bring in his assemblage of fake electors and remain in power no matter how the voters chose. Anti democracy cheating and planning to overthrow the will of the voters. It’s Trumps schtick, cheating in everything he does in this world. Long history of it. He’s the worst of us. He’s our leader and if all of that planning and violence to leave after his first term makes you feel comfortable about our democracy you are delusional. He’s fired many and will fire more to put in unprincipled men in positions that require principle. He will be much worse this time, he’s learned from the first go around
We know it was one of two things. It was either an attempt to overthrow the government or it was a protest that turned into a riot. I just can't comprehend how some people still think it was the former. Especially after how conditioned we were to just accept the fact that protests turn into riots all summer that year. Can someone break down a likely chain of possible events that could have taken that day from a bunch of people taking over the capitol to Trump remaining in power? I've never seen anyone even attempt to make that argument before.
Fryowa
Administrator
Nope again.
If they had congresspeople and Pence (literally "the government") held hostage which was their goal, they in effect would have overthrown the government. It may or may not not have lasted long, but it would have been a coup. And a failed coup is still treason.
You have never apparently never read Title 18, chapter 115 of the USC, available free on the internet. Oh wait, it's not listed on twitter...
Fryowa
Administrator
If they had taken Pence hostage which was their intent said many, many times publicly (I'm being generous because there were a lot of calls to hang him in public) and through force or coercion prevented him from certifying the election...which is his duty as VP...that would be quite literally overthrowing the government. How you can't understand that is a mystery to me.
Your bro Trump even encouraged the mob to go after him. Yes, he could have by choice refused to certify the election, but he was very clear that it was not his intent to do that. So if it happened it would be through force of the mob. That's an overthrow of a government, my friend.
Google, "dissident coup."
A coup d'Etat is treason.
Maybe read something other than what you find on twitter for once in your adult life.
This argument makes sense if it was a spur of the moment decision. It doesn't make sense if it was a planned in advance decision. They had months to plan this in advance and the best they could come up with is fist fight some cops, grab a flag pole if you see one, and maybe spray some pepper spray. But then the plan after you do get in is just to abort mission and go home?
It's 2025. Is there anything that can't be fine on Twitter? You might as well say read something that's not on the internet.
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Hay Man
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You really are trying to convince yourself that it wasn't more than just a riot... What are guns, zip ties and other weapons used for??? A peaceful protest? Trump told his followers to come to DC on that day and then proceeds to tell them "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" and that he's going to the capital with them to, but then just sits back and watches it all happen on TV. Then 187 minutes later, he tells them to leave and they do? Who was in charge of those terrorists that day?
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thedukeofearl
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Congress in session on January 6
So they were checking social media during an invasion? Sounds like it had to be extremely intense in there. "Hey before we bust the door down and murder Pence, let's check twitter real quick".
Also if Trump's plan was to overthrow the government, why tell them to go home right before they do it? Why suggest extra security in the days before? Why not tell them to bring guns and shoot everyone? There are plenty of reasons to argue that it was a pointless protest that turned into an inexcusable riot. But there isn't many common sense arguments you can make to call it an insurrection.
Hay Man
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I've seen videos of the terrorists on their phones telling those around them that Trump told them to go home.
Trump is smart enough to not say "bring weapons". Why wouldn't tell them to go home before they went to the capital and forced their way in? He had 187 minutes where he didn't do a damn thing and if he's the commander in chief, doesn't he have full control of the armed forces to do something????
BigD
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The whole thing is a mess. Just what Trump did with official documents would get anybody else a minimum of five years in prison AND likely up to twenty years. I retired after 29 years from the federal government and I am well aware of the laws regarding all of this.
I fully expected Biden to Pardon his son. I know he said he wouldn’t but the only time a politicians isn’t lying is when their jaw isn’t moving and it doesn’t matter which party you are talking about.
Fryowa
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Well for starters this site is about the best there is for finding bias ratings and shines a bright light on what to trust and not trust. It doesn’t filter what you see or don’t see with an algorithm, and aside from the articles it shows it gives people a general sense on what kind of news is reliable. You will see articles from the right, left, and in between, and the best part about it is looking at articles on the same topics that are highly biased, and then seeing how skewed both are. It’s eye opening and not spoon fed from an aggregator like Twitter.
Click the menu button to see tons of information about bias, bias ratings of news sources (most helpful and interesting thing on the site imo) and tons of other info. You want news that’s unfiltered with bias ratings? This is a billion times better than Twitter.
Fryowa
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LOL.
That’s like getting a teenager drunk, giving him the keys to a Ferrari, walking away and saying, “Hey you shouldn’t drive that car.”
Jesus dude.
Why did Tthe outgoing President invite all of his followers to a rally to count electors at an already decided election? Every other January in our country’s history it’s a boring non televised ritual event. All thru December Trump told his followers to be at the Capitol on January 6. For what purpose? Here’s what he said to the huge crowd from a well set up rally stage with many guest speakers: “"We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women," Trump told his supporters shortly before the Capitol assault. "We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."
Here’s what another speaker said just before they took the walk to where they would bludgeon police "Let’s have trial by combat”
How in the world anyone would consider that Trump had no plans and no bad intentions for our country is beyond me.
Here’s what another speaker said just before they took the walk to where they would bludgeon police "Let’s have trial by combat”
How in the world anyone would consider that Trump had no plans and no bad intentions for our country is beyond me.
