Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[SCHawkeye2]

Being a stupid redneck doesn’t excuse one from being guilty.

To be fair, it is a common defense in South Carolina.

 

[Fryowa]

The people charged and now pardoned:
- broke windows and doors to forcibly into the capitol on Jan 6
- broke into official government offices of Congress
- illegally entered Congressional offices
- destroyed government and personal property
.- defecated in government offices
- started a riot which resulted in death and bodily injuries
- were seeking and threatening to 'hang' the Vice President of the United States to prevent him from carrying out his constitutional duties by certifying the electoral results

There is a preponderance of evidence that this event was an attempt to intimidate congress into subverting the will of the people. The participants were found guilty in a court of law of committing treasonous and seditious acts against the United States.
And you would have us believe this incident was a peaceful protest, perpetrated by a group of harmless tourists who were unjustly persecuted for no reason?

His only source of information is what Elon Musk decides he gets to read. And that isn't hyperbole. He's said so ad nauseum here that twitter links are his sole, one and only information source. It's weird because he wears close-minded information limiting as a badge of honor.

 

[Fryowa]

There's also enough evidence out now that they knew about the potential issue beforehand and did nothing to prevent it. So at best they allowed it to happen for political gain. At worst they provoked it to "get Trump".

That right there is called deflection. It's what people do who know they don't have a strong argument in order to turn attention away from their weak argument.

Also known as "whataboutism," but I prefer not to call it that because buzz words tend to confuse the real definition of an issue.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time describing it though, because I'm sure when you whip your phone out to search "what is whataboutism" on twitter, you're going to come back with some discombobulated, AI-generated article on it from the Hindustan Times retweeted from Imperial Guardian of the Universe Elonovich Muskova about how the Biden administration is injecting brain eating nano-robots into brand name ibuprofen to target conservatives who are wealthy enough to afford it vs liberal proles who buy generic ibuprofen, in order to secretly cause the destruction of the republican party from the inside out as an argument about how "whataboutism" is fake news.

All of this is just, like, my opinion, man…

Regardless of what Elon wants me to think.

 

[HuckFinn]

13 Marines were killed. No mention of that just the it could have been worse thing. Admit it was a bad job instead of the it wasn't "seamless" as if it was being held to some standard that was unfair to expect. We needed better than that. There was a proper plan for a staged withdrawal but it was delayed and then they went ahead with get everybody out and leave our equipment there which was shown off in a parade on the anniversary of the withdrawal 3 years later. We were lucky it wasn't worse because is wasn't done well and they made it more dangerous and likely it could have been worse. Even Milley and others testified about what the plan they wanted and put forth was but after some delay they didn't follow it but others were in some hurry that it had to be done fast instead of sticking with the better plan.

Both side wanted to withdraw. It is not about politics. Everyone should have wanted a better job done then. How would you like to walk up to the families of the Marines or the Afghans killed and say that we were lucky it could have been worse?

I compared the withdrawal to the exit from VN. Learn to read.

 

[PCHawk]

Again, not having a plan and being stupid doesn’t make your guilt go away.

I agree. My post was in response to your post insinuating they had a plan to overthrow the government. Or is your position that they did a spur of the moment, fly by the seat of their pants treasonous insurrection?

 

[PCHawk]

The people charged and now pardoned:
- broke windows and doors to forcibly into the capitol on Jan 6
- broke into official government offices of Congress
- illegally entered Congressional offices
- destroyed government and personal property
.- defecated in government offices
- started a riot which resulted in death and bodily injuries
- were seeking and threatening to 'hang' the Vice President of the United States to prevent him from carrying out his constitutional duties by certifying the electoral results

There is a preponderance of evidence that this event was an attempt to intimidate congress into subverting the will of the people. The participants were found guilty in a court of law of committing treasonous and seditious acts against the United States.
And you would have us believe this incident was a peaceful protest, perpetrated by a group of harmless tourists who were unjustly persecuted for no reason?

I'm aware that people did all of that. Are you aware that some of them did none of that?

 

[PCHawk]

His only source of information is what Elon Musk decides he gets to read. And that isn't hyperbole. He's said so ad nauseum here that twitter links are his sole, one and only information source. It's weird because he wears close-minded information limiting as a badge of honor.

I'm still trying to figure out why Musk has half of the political shit I read on X be anti Trump? Man that guy sucks at brainwashing.

 

[Fryowa]

I agree. My post was in response to your post insinuating they had a plan to overthrow the government. Or is your position that they did a spur of the moment, fly by the seat of their pants treasonous insurrection?

None of that was spur of the moment. Trump and a whole bunch of other groups got that ball rolling well beforehand. But maybe you didn’t read that on a Twitter news link.

 

[PCHawk]

That right there is called deflection. It's what people do who know they don't have a strong argument in order to turn attention away from their weak argument.

Also known as "whataboutism," but I prefer not to call it that because buzz words tend to confuse the real definition of an issue.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time describing it though, because I'm sure when you whip your phone out to search "what is whataboutism" on twitter, you're going to come back with some discombobulated, AI-generated article on it from the Hindustan Times retweeted from Imperial Guardian of the Universe Elonovich Muskova about how the Biden administration is injecting brain eating nano-robots into brand name ibuprofen to target conservatives who are wealthy enough to afford it vs liberal proles who buy generic ibuprofen, in order to secretly cause the destruction of the republican party from the inside out as an argument about how "whataboutism" is fake news.

All of this is just, like, my opinion, man…

Regardless of what Elon wants me to think.

In what world is adding more info to the conversation deflecting? This thread has talked about a million different things over 51 pages and out of nowhere adding something else that's relevant to the post I quoted is deflecting? Which exact point out of all of the points discussed in this thread am I defecting from?

And if adding the point that the government knew in advance about an attack on the Capitol before hand and allowed it to happen is "whataboutism", then I'm guilty as charged. What a stupid stupid thing for you to say there. Argue that they didn't know before hand. Or they knew but tried to stop it. Argue anything other than it's whataboutism. You're basically saying that me mentioning the government basically allowing a coop attempt to take place is irrelevant.

 

[PCHawk]

None of that was spur of the moment. Trump and a whole bunch of other groups got that ball rolling well beforehand. But maybe you didn’t read that on a Twitter news link.

Are you drunk? Your post I quoted said "not having a plan doesn't mean you're not guilty". Now you're saying they did have a plan. Which one is it?

 

[PCHawk]

So to recap here.

Fry said it was a treasonous insurrection.

I said it's weird to not bring guns then.

Fry said just because they didn't have a plan doesn't mean they're not guilty.

I said that is strange to not have a plan if you're trying to overthrow the government.

Fry said they did plan it in advance.

Tough to argue against that level of wishy washyness.

 

[Hay Man]

I'm still trying to figure out why Musk has half of the political shit I read on X be anti Trump? Man that guy sucks at brainwashing.

Do you think President Musk truly cares about our country and it's people or is he using his newfound position to influence the government to pad his own pockets?

Couldn't he personally fix some major problems out of his own pockets? He makes what...$100 to $200 billion dollars a year? He wants money and power, not helping people that need it


I'm on Twitter and since Musk took it over I have been bombarded with shit about Trump and the right-wing ideology crap. It's insane how much I get and no matter how much I block it it just keeps coming. If you think for a moment that it's 50/50 on what you see, then you need new glasses.

 

[Hay Man]

So to recap here.

Fry said it was a treasonous insurrection.

I said it's weird to not bring guns then.

Fry said just because they didn't have a plan doesn't mean they're not guilty.

I said that is strange to not have a plan if you're trying to overthrow the government.

Fry said they did plan it in advance.

Tough to argue against that level of wishy washyness.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-capitol-attack-rioters-had-weapons-including-firearms-2025-01-16/

I know it's not Twitter, but....they did have guns

 

[PCHawk]

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-capitol-attack-rioters-had-weapons-including-firearms-2025-01-16/

I know it's not Twitter, but....they did have guns

Fair enough. If you want to get nit picky, there were five hand guns. But since none of the guns were drawn or fired, and since out of the thousands of people who were there, only five had guns that stayed holstered, I'd say the overall point of you need guns to overthrow a government still holds up.

 

[Hay Man]

Fair enough. If you want to get nit picky, there were five hand guns. But since none of the guns were drawn or fired, and since out of the thousands of people who were there, only five had guns that stayed holstered, I'd say the overall point of you need guns to overthrow a government still holds up.

Not fired???

 

[Hay Man]

Keep moving that goalpost

 

[PCHawk]

Do you think President Musk truly cares about our country and it's people or is he using his newfound position to influence the government to pad his own pockets?

Couldn't he personally fix some major problems out of his own pockets? He makes what...$100 to $200 billion dollars a year? He wants money and power, not helping people that need it


I'm on Twitter and since Musk took it over I have been bombarded with shit about Trump and the right-wing ideology crap. It's insane how much I get and no matter how much I block it it just keeps coming. If you think for a moment that it's 50/50 on what you see, then you need new glasses.

I personally think Musk does care about the country and he dumped a lot of money into Twitter to help control government censorship. That said, I could easily see Musk ending up one of the biggest villians ever. Think about it. He controls driving cars. He controls space. He controls internet. He controls social media. He is about to control brains. He's about to put personal robots in every house. If he wants to be the villain, it won't be good. And while I personally think he's trying to do good in the world, it wouldn't shock me in the least if he ended up the bad guy.

As far as lining his pockets with money goes. The guy is clearly loaded, but most of his money is shares in companies he owns. While other billionairs have mansions and private jets, he lives modestly and spends most of his life working. The dude doesn't seem to care about money at all. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to accumulate wealth just to maintain the title of richest man on the planet tho.

I don’t know if it's 50/50, and I'm not saying it's not skewed at all, but my algorithm does show a lot from both sides. You say you're bombarded with right wing stuff. I'm bombarded with left wing stuff. I personally have no desire to block it tho. I want to see both sides.

 

[PCHawk]

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Keep moving that goalpost

I figured you would say I was moving the goalposts and I understand you thinking that. But don't you agree that my point was guns weren't used as a show of force that day? I said they didn't bring guns to overthrow the government and you responded (reasonably) that five people had guns. That's a fair point. But it didn't really change the point I was trying to make. All it did was changed my future wording from "they didn't bring guns" to "they didn't use guns".

 

[InGoodCo]

I personally think Musk does care about the country and he dumped a lot of money into Twitter to help control government censorship. That said, I could easily see Musk ending up one of the biggest villians ever. Think about it. He controls driving cars. He controls space. He controls internet. He controls social media. He is about to control brains. He's about to put personal robots in every house. If he wants to be the villain, it won't be good. And while I personally think he's trying to do good in the world, it wouldn't shock me in the least if he ended up the bad guy.

As far as lining his pockets with money goes. The guy is clearly loaded, but most of his money is shares in companies he owns. While other billionairs have mansions and private jets, he lives modestly and spends most of his life working. The dude doesn't seem to care about money at all. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to accumulate wealth just to maintain the title of richest man on the planet tho.

I don’t know if it's 50/50, and I'm not saying it's not skewed at all, but my algorithm does show a lot from both sides. You say you're bombarded with right wing stuff. I'm bombarded with left wing stuff. I personally have no desire to block it tho. I want to see both sides.

Depending who you follow, Twitter is and can be very right or left leaning. If I am looking at my following tab, I see just stuff I follow, which leans pretty left. I pretty much block any shit I see that's regarding the dumb motherfucker that is DJT...so, I see almost NOTHING from the Right stand point on Twitter. In fact, I get bombarded with Left leaning propaganda by in large.

That said, click on the "For You" tab and Oh boy. Then I have to see the world's biggest grifter selling me bibles, bears and bitcoin.

 

[Hay Man]

I figured you would say I was moving the goalposts and I understand you thinking that. But don't you agree that my point was guns weren't used as a show of force that day? I said they didn't bring guns to overthrow the government and you responded (reasonably) that five people had guns. That's a fair point. But it didn't really change the point I was trying to make. All it did was changed my future wording from "they didn't bring guns" to "they didn't use guns".

They didn't need to use guns because they outnumbered the police. This cop was beaten. didn't need a gun. So you don't need to have a gun to call it what is was.

Did the high-jackers have guns on 9-11??? And how many people we're killed?