This just in.....Nebraska is HORRIBLE...Frost Bite Program

[thedukeofearl]

Mr. Davis made the Elite Eight once, the Sweet Sixteen twice and the Second Round six times. Otherwise, he made the NIT twice and only failed to make a postseason tournament twice in rebuilding years.....

Not too shabby.....

He did benefit from Ravelings recruits, but still consistently made the Dance frequently.....

Post Season
1986–87 Iowa 30–5 14–4 3rd NCAA Elite Eight
1987–88 Iowa 24–10 12–6 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1988–89 Iowa 23–10 10–8 4th NCAA Second Round
1989–90 Iowa 12–16 4–14 T–8th
1990–91 Iowa 21–11 9–9 T–5th NCAA Second Round
1991–92 Iowa 19–11 10–8 5th NCAA Second Round
1992–93 Iowa 23–9 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Second Round
1993–94 Iowa 11–16 5–13 T–9th
1994–95 Iowa 21–12 9–9 T–7th NIT third round
1995–96 Iowa 23–9 11–7 4th NCAA Second Round
1996–97 Iowa 22–10 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Second Round
1997–98 Iowa 20–11 9–7 T–5th NIT first round
1998–99 Iowa 20–10 9–7 T–3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Totals 269–140 (.658) 125–105 (.543)

 

[kameltoez102]

The biggest thing Frost is going to have to worry about is not discipline or anything else but whether his players start to quit on him and I am not just meaning leaving the team but at some point the kids are not going to handle the continual losing. Even though your team may not be good you can still be competitive and play hard.

Nebraska is going to run the risk of not even being competitive towards the end of the year in my opinion. What happens from here on out will be telling. If the next game is over in the first half will Frost be able to rally the team and at least get them to play hard the second half? If that is the case fans are going to start exiting the stadium quickly and it may take awhile to recover if they don't start winning fast. If not there are some very serious issues for Nebraska and I can't say I am not loving it.

 

[Adam]

The biggest thing Frost is going to have to worry about is not discipline or anything else but whether his players start to quit on him and I am not just meaning leaving the team but at some point the kids are not going to handle the continual losing. Even though your team may not be good you can still be competitive and play hard.

Nebraska is going to run the risk of not even being competitive towards the end of the year in my opinion. What happens from here on out will be telling. If the next game is over in the first half will Frost be able to rally the team and at least get them to play hard the second half? If that is the case fans are going to start exiting the stadium quickly and it may take awhile to recover if they don't start winning fast. If not there are some very serious issues for Nebraska and I can't say I am not loving it.

Guys quitting or even giving lowered amounts of effort is a constant coaching struggle. Nebraska is getting bent over right now and their guys are getting blown off the field by stronger forces of will.

The only thing that Frost can do to take anything redeemable from this season is to prove that even in the face of intense adversity he can keep his team hungry and competitive. A losing streak is very detrimental to the psyche. Frost will have a monumental task to keep these guys engaged and playing their hardest for him. If he accomplishes that feat, I would say that the probability of his future success in bringing Nebraska back to basic respectability would take a large surge. This season has went from, Prove you are good to Prove you aren't the worst ever, in a hurry.

While I don't care if Frost succeeds in life or at coaching. I always hope the worst for Nebraska. That said it is still kind of hard to not feel a little bit of sympathy for Frost and his players, but only in between my spurts of laughter.

 

[hwk23]

Is Scott Frost actually worse than Mike Riley? Nebraska only got beat by Penn State 56-44 last year. This was their 11th game. They're 127th out of 130 in penalties and that is something you don't often see from a well coached team.

 

[ChosenChildren]

Is Scott Frost actually worse than Mike Riley? Nebraska only got beat by Penn State 56-44 last year. This was their 11th game. They're 127th out of 130 in penalties and that is something you don't often see from a well coached team.

Nebraska scored 35 points against Penn State's third team. That game would have been 70 to 0 if Penn State had left their first team in.

Nebraska is weak right now. Curious, because their recruiting has been ranked very high over the past several years. It makes you wonder about recruiting rankings. I don't think they are reliable

 

[DDThompson]

0-4 And making a trip to Madison. Get ready for 0-5!

Then

@NW
(Good chance at 0-6)

Vs. Minnesota
(Neb should be favored. Minn is going to get beat up the previous two weeks with Iowa and OSU)

Butane for Cookman

Carrying a 2-game winning streak before another beat down by OSU.

 

[Adam]

Then

@NW
(Good chance at 0-6)

Vs. Minnesota
(Neb should be favored. Minn is going to get beat up the previous two weeks with Iowa and OSU)

Butane for Cookman

Carrying a 2-game winning streak before another beat down by OSU.

Minnesota right now looks like a much better team than Nebraska.

 

[DDThompson]

Minnesota right now looks like a much better team than Nebraska.

Yikes!

 

[hwk23]

Then

@NW
(Good chance at 0-6)

Vs. Minnesota
(Neb should be favored. Minn is going to get beat up the previous two weeks with Iowa and OSU)

Butane for Cookman

Carrying a 2-game winning streak before another beat down by OSU.

According to Sagarin anyway, Minnesota should be about a 5 point favorite at Nebraska. Nebraska should be a 30 point favorite though against Bethune Cookman.

 

[Jonrn]

Make no mistake, all this rebuilding talk is revisionist history. I live in Omaha and the fans were talking about winning the West.

Going 13-0 in Orlando located smack dab in America’s best high school football league to recruit from in an a non-power 5 conference is far different than winning in Nebraska. I hate the term sleeping giant, UCF was truly a sleeping giant, Nebraska is a dead and buried giant. Their ceiling is 2018 Wisconsin, not 1995 Nebraska.

 

[Jonrn]

You could throw in Mike Riley in that meme. Every coach results in worst results. How long can that go on?

More like how is it possible? How was Riley winning more games than the lord and savior Scott frost?

 

[Jonrn]

Corporate sponsors will be shelling out big bucks to keep the phony sellout record intact. Heck I bet people will even quite buying balloons because the helium will be gone before they can release them.

This whole sell out scam just pisses me off to no end every time I see it mentioned, it’s such a farce.

 

[DDThompson]

According to Sagarin anyway, Minnesota should be about a 5 point favorite at Nebraska. Nebraska should be a 30 point favorite though against Bethune Cookman.

I’d love for Nebby to be 0-fer before BC.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I mean I understand teams occasionally being down, but how can a team be this damn bad? Are they that down talent-wise!

 

[MoseSchrute]

That said it is still kind of hard to not feel a little bit of sympathy for Frost and his players

This is where you and I differ.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Are they that down talent-wise!

Absolutely not, but that is a huge myth that is constantly pushed by the fans and media. I think part of the problem might be that they stockpile all these skill position players and are very thin on the lines. I would gladly take a couple of their receivers and maybe even a RB.

Last 5 rivals recruiting rankings for NE:
2018- 21
2017- 20
2016- 24
2015- 31
2014- 32

Even Ferentz might be able to do something with classes ranked like that.

 

[proudhawkfan21]

I have to disagree here. Iowa's BB program was stuck in neutral at the time. Tom had done all he could here. Yes they were an NCAA team quite a bit but a one win and done NCAA team until his last year. I understand and respect that for other fans, that is perfectly fine. But I thought the time was right to make a move.

Bowlsby rolled the dice on what everyone seemed to think was a great young coach. The moved bombed. It happens.

But what haunts the Iowa program is following:

1. They only put money into the football program during the Alford or Lick era. No practice facility and for half of each season Iowa men's team didn't even have priority as far as practice time. That's begging for your program to die.

2. They followed up the Alford hire by somehow trumping it with hiring Lick.

No, the problem is they moved on a successful coach. Iowa was competitive. We were relevant.

Tom Davis era 9 out of 13 NCAA tournament appearances

Since 6 out of 20

Tom Davis Sweet 16 appearances 3

Since 0

Everyone can play fantasy in their minds about recruits and all that bull, the man still coached and developed and Raveling's recruits werent making ncaa tournament appearances in yr 13. If you remember we also ran into Duke 2-3 times in those 2nd round defeats plus tim duncan-led wake forest. So chill on the, never got past the 2nd round bs. Unfortunate seeding/timing.

 

[lightning1]

No, the problem is they moved on a successful coach. Iowa was competitive. We were relevant.

Tom Davis era 9 out of 13 NCAA tournament appearances

Since 6 out of 20

Tom Davis Sweet 16 appearances 3

Since 0

Everyone can play fantasy in their minds about recruits and all that bull, the man still coached and developed and Raveling's recruits werent making ncaa tournament appearances in yr 13. If you remember we also ran into Duke 2-3 times in those 2nd round defeats plus tim duncan-led wake forest. So chill on the, never got past the 2nd round bs. Unfortunate seeding/timing.

Nothing unfortunate about getting the seed that your season earned you. All of Mr. Davis's accomplishments revolved around someone else's recruits.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Nothing unfortunate about getting the seed that your season earned you. All of Mr. Davis's accomplishments revolved around someone else's recruits.

Spot on with this analysis.

You play yourself into the 7-10 seed range and you're going to get Kentucky or Duke in the second round.

The last real blue chip recruits Davis landed may have been Chris Kingsbury and Ricky Davis. But his recruiting was getting lax then and it only got worse as Roy Williams started raiding the state.

Davis also had some close calls when he was the higher seed. See 7 seed UTEP 1987 and 12 seed Florida 1988.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

Spot on with this analysis.

You play yourself into the 7-10 seed range and you're going to get Kentucky or Duke in the second round.

The last real blue chip recruits Davis landed may have been Chris Kingsbury and Ricky Davis. But his recruiting was getting lax then and it only got worse as Roy Williams started raiding the state.

Davis also had some close calls when he was the higher seed. See 7 seed UTEP 1987 and 12 seed Florida 1988.

Yeah, not to derail the thread too much, but a lot of Iowa fans are not totally objective when it comes to Davis.

I loved Mr. Davis as much as the next fan. He was a great guy and a class act all the way, and I don't care at all for how the University handled his ouster, but, the fact is, that without Raveling's recruits, he was basically a .500 conference coach. He also didn't care to recruit, and often came in late in the process.

Did he have more success that what we have seen since? Absolutely, but that's in hindsight. Alford was a rising star at the time. As much as we hate to admit it, the majority of Iowa fans were very excited with the hire. Obviously, it didn't work out, and following that up with the Lickliter hire basically buried the program. Alford was a swing and a big miss. If that hadn't happened, we wouldn't be having this conversation.