This just in.....Nebraska is HORRIBLE...Frost Bite Program

[#1DieHardHawk]

Back to Nebraska.

It would be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years. I'm enjoying watching Nebraska get dirt kicked in its face, but, I also feel kind of like we are "poking the sleeping lion" here.

I honestly hope that Frost continues to fall on his face, but, I won't be surprised at all if he ultimately turns the program around. Will he return it to 90s glory? Highly doubtful, but, I won't be shocked if Nebraska is competing regularly for B1G championships under him at some point.

When you hit rock bottom like this, it can serve as an impetus for a ton of program momentum if you start stringing together a few wins. If we think Nebraska fans are insufferable now, wait until that momentum starts building. It will become nauseating.

 

[99topdawg]

Davis had 2 losing seasons in the Big Ten in 13 years. One was after losing BJ, Roy, and Eddie and the other was after losing Chris Street, Acie Earl, and Val Barnes (along with Jay Webb and Wade Lookingbank). His last 4 seasons were a total of 16 games over .500. While his best seasons were with George recruits, I've always thought it was a disservice to Mr. Davis to say that we needed to hire George to recruit and Tom to coach.

Now, back to bashing the Fuskers and Ginger Jim Jones.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Back to Nebraska.

It would be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years. I'm enjoying watching Nebraska get dirt kicked in its face, but, I also feel kind of like we are "poking the sleeping lion" here.
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Agreed. Getting out over your skis is never a good thing.

 

[Adam]

Back to Nebraska.

It would be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years. I'm enjoying watching Nebraska get dirt kicked in its face, but, I also feel kind of like we are "poking the sleeping lion" here.

I honestly hope that Frost continues to fall on his face, but, I won't be surprised at all if he ultimately turns the program around. Will he return it to 90s glory? Highly doubtful, but, I won't be shocked if Nebraska is competing regularly for B1G championships under him at some point.

When you hit rock bottom like this, it can serve as an impetus for a ton of program momentum if you start stringing together a few wins. If we think Nebraska fans are insufferable now, wait until that momentum starts building. It will become nauseating.

For the record. Nebraska is no sleeping lion. They are a land locked school in the middle of nowhere. The state produces 10-15 D1 talent level players a year. They rose to glory by strong arming high school kids into paying their own way to attend Nebraska and be walk ons for the football team to beat up on or cherry pick the few every year that developed to D1 talent. It is no mystery that Nebraska fell from the mountain top around the time the NCAA cracked down on exactly what Nebraska was doing.

Texas is a sleeping lion.

Nebraska has a ceiling of exactly where Iowa is. They could get to where they win more than they lose and every 4 to 6 years could have a really good team that has a really good season. I doubt they will ever taste greatness again.

 

[Xerxes]

No, the problem is they moved on a successful coach. Iowa was competitive. We were relevant.

Tom Davis era 9 out of 13 NCAA tournament appearances

Since 6 out of 20

Tom Davis Sweet 16 appearances 3

Since 0

Everyone can play fantasy in their minds about recruits and all that bull, the man still coached and developed and Raveling's recruits werent making ncaa tournament appearances in yr 13. If you remember we also ran into Duke 2-3 times in those 2nd round defeats plus tim duncan-led wake forest. So chill on the, never got past the 2nd round bs. Unfortunate seeding/timing.

Relevant how? In Iowa? Certainly not in the B1G or nationally. They were rarely even a contender for the conference title under Davis.

Unfortunate seeding? You earn your seed. When you're constantly a middling team in your conference you're going to get stuck in the 7-10 seed range and have to play the 1 or 2 in the 2nd round. Plus Iowa lost 2nd round games twice as a 4 seed to a 5 (Wake Forest & NC ST). That's not unfortunate seeding, that's just not playing up to their seed.

Iowa played Wake Forest in the 1993 NCAA tournament. Duncan didn't arrive at Wake until the fall of 1993. So no bad luck there either.

If Davis was such a good coach, why was his only job after Iowa at Drake? You would think he could have done better than that.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Absolutely not, but that is a huge myth that is constantly pushed by the fans and media. I think part of the problem might be that they stockpile all these skill position players and are very thin on the lines. I would gladly take a couple of their receivers and maybe even a RB.

Last 5 rivals recruiting rankings for NE:
2018- 21
2017- 20
2016- 24
2015- 31
2014- 32

Even Ferentz might be able to do something with classes ranked like that.

I think you are absolutely correct about being a little weak in the trenches. Obviously the last coach came from the Pac 10 and really wanted to load up at the skill positions which doesn't work in the BIG.

 

[tksirius]

Poor Mr. Davis being strung into a Nebraska thread. Y'all should be ashamed.

 

[hwk23]

Back to Nebraska.

It would be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years. I'm enjoying watching Nebraska get dirt kicked in its face, but, I also feel kind of like we are "poking the sleeping lion" here.

I honestly hope that Frost continues to fall on his face, but, I won't be surprised at all if he ultimately turns the program around. Will he return it to 90s glory? Highly doubtful, but, I won't be shocked if Nebraska is competing regularly for B1G championships under him at some point.

When you hit rock bottom like this, it can serve as an impetus for a ton of program momentum if you start stringing together a few wins. If we think Nebraska fans are insufferable now, wait until that momentum starts building. It will become nauseating.

I don't see any reason Nebraska should have any advantage over Iowa going forward, at least not any legal advantage. They remind me right now of Iowa in the late 90's, in terms of W/L, not talent. We'll see if Nebraska is able to achieve the kind of success Iowa had from 2002-2004. That doesn't happen by itself. Frost has a lot of freshman on that team so he has that going for him. So far though, the coaching has been bad. Nebraska out gained Purdue but the game wasn't really close, because of mistakes. You don't see well coached teams making those kind of mistakes consistently.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

For the record. Nebraska is no sleeping lion. They are a land locked school in the middle of nowhere. The state produces 10-15 D1 talent level players a year. They rose to glory by strong arming high school kids into paying their own way to attend Nebraska and be walk ons for the football team to beat up on or cherry pick the few every year that developed to D1 talent. It is no mystery that Nebraska fell from the mountain top around the time the NCAA cracked down on exactly what Nebraska was doing.

Texas is a sleeping lion.

Nebraska has a ceiling of exactly where Iowa is. They could get to where they win more than they lose and every 4 to 6 years could have a really good team that has a really good season. I doubt they will ever taste greatness again.

I don't see any reason Nebraska should have any advantage over Iowa going forward, at least not any legal advantage. They remind me right now of Iowa in the late 90's, in terms of W/L, not talent. We'll see if Nebraska is able to achieve the kind of success Iowa had from 2002-2004. That doesn't happen by itself. Frost has a lot of freshman on that team so he has that going for him. So far though, the coaching has been bad. Nebraska out gained Purdue but the game wasn't really close, because of mistakes. You don't see well coached teams making those kind of mistakes consistently.

As I said, it's extremely unlikely that Nebraska will ever return to its past glory, but, time will tell if Frost is able to elevate the program to a consistent B1G contender - i.e., playing in the conference championship every 2-3 years or so. Landlocked or not, the program does have deep roots and a steeped tradition, as well as nationwide recruiting connections.

It's all speculation at this point, so time will tell. We'll have to revisit this thread in 3-4 years. At that time, I sincerely hope they still suck.

 

[99topdawg]

I don't see any reason Nebraska should have any advantage over Iowa going forward, at least not any legal advantage. ]

Remember that he played for Tom Osborne and coached with Chip Kelly. Dude knows all about paying players and HS coaches, leasing cars, teaching them how to cash in on tickets, getting boosters "on board", hiding guns, supporting repeat offending rapists, injecting roids and passing drug tests, etc. Scotty will be fine.

 

[hwk23]

Remember that he played for Tom Osborne and coached with Chip Kelly. Dude knows all about paying players and HS coaches, leasing cars, teaching them how to cash in on tickets, getting boosters "on board", hiding guns, supporting repeat offending rapists, injecting roids and passing drug tests, etc. Scotty will be fine.

Literally, those are the only things to worry about when it comes to Nebraska. I'm sure Nebraska fans will be claiming champion DNA, blah, blah, and winning mentality, etc., once they get all their shenanigans going. At least when it comes to Wisconsin, I'm pretty sure they do it the right way,

 

[Adam]

Remember that he played for Tom Osborne and coached with Chip Kelly. Dude knows all about paying players and HS coaches, leasing cars, teaching them how to cash in on tickets, getting boosters "on board", hiding guns, supporting repeat offending rapists, injecting roids and passing drug tests, etc. Scotty will be fine.

I believe Chip Kelly actively cheated for top recruits, but for all intents and purposes they at least appeared to run a program that was normal or below the national average for criminal misconduct.

 

[99topdawg]

I believe Chip Kelly actively cheated for top recruits, but for all intents and purposes they at least appeared to run a program that was normal or below the national average for criminal misconduct.

Yeah, I really don't know how much of that went/goes on, but the $25,000 per recruit being funneled to the HS coach in Texas shocked me pretty good, whether it is the norm or not. Really sickening.

 

[Adam]

Yeah, I really don't know how much of that went/goes on, but the $25,000 per recruit being funneled to the HS coach in Texas shocked me pretty good, whether it is the norm or not. Really sickening.

The NCAA is a joke and their "student athlete guidelines" are sickening. They have created a monopoly on the Jr pro circuit. The same thing that this nation has fought in business forever. How is the NCAA any different than the railroads, Bell Telephone Company, or Microsoft.

The ideals of the NCAA are outdated and no longer represent our culture. In today's world children are able to monetize upon just about any skill other than athletics. It's dumb and it leads to this thriving black market cesspool which only serves to further screw over children and young men.

I dislike cheaters as well, but I dislike a greedy and soleless controlling organization even more.

 

[proudhawkfan21]

Relevant how? In Iowa? Certainly not in the B1G or nationally. They were rarely even a contender for the conference title under Davis.

Unfortunate seeding? You earn your seed. When you're constantly a middling team in your conference you're going to get stuck in the 7-10 seed range and have to play the 1 or 2 in the 2nd round. Plus Iowa lost 2nd round games twice as a 4 seed to a 5 (Wake Forest & NC ST). That's not unfortunate seeding, that's just not playing up to their seed.

Iowa played Wake Forest in the 1993 NCAA tournament. Duncan didn't arrive at Wake until the fall of 1993. So no bad luck there either.

If Davis was such a good coach, why was his only job after Iowa at Drake? You would think he could have done better than that.

So in your analysis Iowa basketball has proven to be better since Tom Davis as opposed to significantly worse? Thats what you are arguing? I dont disagree that he wasnt national coach of the year material. My point is that we thought we could do much better and for the last 19 yrs and 3 coaches our program barely registers on the national radar. Yes, this is much better. Fail.

 

[proudhawkfan21]

Nothing unfortunate about getting the seed that your season earned you. All of Mr. Davis's accomplishments revolved around someone else's recruits.

14 yrs of Raveling recruits? Really? And then kids show up and just win by themselves. This is ignorance . The results speak for themselves. SIX NCAA tournament appearances in 20 yrs. This is better.

 

[MoseSchrute]

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs...cle_3bb5932b-85f8-5f7f-81b7-d7d6422a4c89.html

Sam McKewon put up in his blog that Nebbie has had 42 4* recruits from the 2011 to 2017 classes. Of those, only one has been an all-conference player. Very poor draft numbers as well from those guys. So they are failing at identifying the right guys, or failing at development, or both. Unfortunately, I doubt recruits pay much attention to stuff like this.

 

[DDThompson]

Nebraska is not going back to glory days or regularly compete for Big10 championships.

There are no 5 or 6 gimme games in the Big10 like they had in the Big8. The only difficult games were Texas, a non-conference P5 and the bowl game.

Even when they’ve been competitive since coming to the Big10 they were getting hammered by the Big10’s top teams.

 

[lightning1]

14 yrs of Raveling recruits? Really? And then kids show up and just win by themselves. This is ignorance . The results speak for themselves. SIX NCAA tournament appearances in 20 yrs. This is better.View attachment 4328

Mr. Davis had 1 Sweet 16 with his own recruits. 1 out of 10 years. If you don't want to acknowledge the obvious difference in his record with Raveling's recruits vs without....then that's your choice.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Nebraska is not going back to glory days or regularly compete for Big10 championships.

There are no 5 or 6 gimme games in the Big10 like they had in the Big8. The only difficult games were Texas, a non-conference P5 and the bowl game.

Even when they’ve been competitive since coming to the Big10 they were getting hammered by the Big10’s top teams.

Well, I know what you mean, but Texas didn't come along until the Big 12, and totally owned them, and that is why they ran away, thinking they could do better in the Big 10.