MelroseHawkins
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weird!
Social Issue/Political Discussion Relating to Iowa Football
- Thread starter RobHowe
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weird!
MelroseHawkins
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I also get a huge kick out of yours as well.
HawkGold
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DDThompson
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Maybe.
Football season us around the corner I guess.
Fryowa
Administrator
No it’s not.
Always take a profit and remember it always takes longer to earn it then to spend it. (That old wash machine is still running Fry
)You can walk through any casino and see the desperate bettor, the one who dropped 3 grand worth of rent money in the past 6 hours but is going to make it all up with the last $100 in the next 30 minutes.
When you are down, first you have to get back to where you were. Ot so to speak, be in a position to take advantage of any potential swing.
Basically this year was like walking into a casino and dropping and losing a pretty good chunk in the first 5 minutes.
But per Rob, what does that have to do with Iowa football? It has a lot to do with the financial side of it. We probably won't be breaking ground on the south end zone, that's for sure. Lot's of schools have put projects on delay. It's a volatile situation right now. But so is football, it's literally a game of inches.
HawkGold
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Always take a profit and remember it always takes longer to earn it then to spend it. (That old wash machine is still running Fry
You can walk through any casino and see the desperate bettor, the one who dropped 3 grand worth of rent money in the past 6 hours but is going to make it all up with the last $100 in the next 30 minutes.
When you are down, first you have to get back to where you were. Ot so to speak, be in a position to take advantage of any potential swing.
Basically this year was like walking into a casino and dropping and losing a pretty good chunk in the first 5 minutes.
But per Rob, what does that have to do with Iowa football? It has a lot to do with the financial side of it. We probably won't be breaking ground on the south end zone, that's for sure. Lot's of schools have put projects on delay. It's a volatile situation right now. But so is football, it's literally a game of inches.
You get a loss of down for intentional grounding. 1st and 10 the other way...finally.
RobHowe
Administrator
Agree. This is about the money. Iowa and others need football and men's basketball seasons between now and the end of the fiscal year, June 30, 2021.
With money leading the way for decisions, schools and programs are pushing forward in hopes of having a "normal" season. If things are halted this fall, they have the spring as a safety net. The Ivy is already moving fall sports to the spring.
The Ivy League was the first to postpone it's postseason basketball tournament. It was the first league to cancel spring sports.
With money leading the way for decisions, schools and programs are pushing forward in hopes of having a "normal" season. If things are halted this fall, they have the spring as a safety net. The Ivy is already moving fall sports to the spring.
The Ivy League was the first to postpone it's postseason basketball tournament. It was the first league to cancel spring sports.
okeefe4prez
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The Ivy League has vastly different considerations than the P5. The Ivy League doesn't have scholarship programs, it doesn't have monster TV deals, it doesn't sell 70k+ seats at an effective average price with donations of north of $100 per game. Most of the Ivies have monstrous endowments and the stewards of the schools are instructed to protect those endowments at all cost. They can jettison sports easily because their fanbase is almost entirely alums who don't care about sports other than the Harvard-Yale football competition and cheering for the Ivy champ to win in round 1 of the NCAA tourney.
The P5 will be fine without a season. The fact of the matter is that most of the "costs" of running an athletic department are completely fabricated. The only real material costs if we don't have a season are salary and facilities (of course, if there is a season, there is also stuff like travel, training table, etc.). The bulk of the cost is scholarships, which have a high dollar value on them, but the cost of fulfilling is very low. That said, no season will be a death sentence for a lot of mid major programs and some of the FCS programs. Schools that aren't in conferences with insanely rich media deals are going to have some very difficult economic decisions to make because with dorms empty and students demanding tuition adjustments if everything is online, there's no way a bunch of schools won't have a massive hole blown in their budgets and football will be near the top of the chopping block at a lot of places.
RobHowe
Administrator
I do not think P5s will be fine. They'll survive and, I agree, the situation isn't as dire as they make it out to be, but people will lose jobs in the athletic department. Will some of that be fat? Sure. But not all of it. And it also could be used as an excuse to cut sports.
HawkGold
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KF makes more than the scholarships
Fryowa
Administrator
No chance there's sports until a vaccine is approved. College football and basketball this year are doneski.
The way it's looking right now from neutral scientists' very educated estimates, it's going to be Septemberish before emergency approval which allows vaccinations to go to the most vulnerable folks. Those doses can go out within a month or so. Most places I'm seeing consensus on full approval around the first of the year, and widespread availability within a couple months of that. Oxford and Moderna are the two front runners, and even scientists who have been on the skeptical side of things are saying that with those two running in parallel and other candidates close behind, the odds of success are extremely favorable.
There's just zero way they can make it work until then, and the longer the people in charge kid themselves, the less time they can spend figuring out how sports 2.0 will work after the vaccine comes. The southern states are a runaway train, and if you look you'll now see that the 7 day moving average deaths are hitting the end of the 3 week lag period relative to hospitalizations. People saying, "Yeah but the death rate is staying low" are idiots. On average it takes 2-3 weeks to die from it once you're hospitalized, and we're now seeing it ramp up. It will be a lower deaths as a percentage of cases because a higher percentage of infected people are young, but that will be offset by a higher case count than we've ever had before.
Nothing is going back to anywhere resembling normal until there's an effective vaccine widely distributed. And according to people much smarter than any of us here, that will happen 6-8 months from now. Take a walk, watch the birds, and smell the roses. We've got a long wait ahead and right now anyone planning to watch games this year is setting him or herself up for disappointment.
The way it's looking right now from neutral scientists' very educated estimates, it's going to be Septemberish before emergency approval which allows vaccinations to go to the most vulnerable folks. Those doses can go out within a month or so. Most places I'm seeing consensus on full approval around the first of the year, and widespread availability within a couple months of that. Oxford and Moderna are the two front runners, and even scientists who have been on the skeptical side of things are saying that with those two running in parallel and other candidates close behind, the odds of success are extremely favorable.
There's just zero way they can make it work until then, and the longer the people in charge kid themselves, the less time they can spend figuring out how sports 2.0 will work after the vaccine comes. The southern states are a runaway train, and if you look you'll now see that the 7 day moving average deaths are hitting the end of the 3 week lag period relative to hospitalizations. People saying, "Yeah but the death rate is staying low" are idiots. On average it takes 2-3 weeks to die from it once you're hospitalized, and we're now seeing it ramp up. It will be a lower deaths as a percentage of cases because a higher percentage of infected people are young, but that will be offset by a higher case count than we've ever had before.
Nothing is going back to anywhere resembling normal until there's an effective vaccine widely distributed. And according to people much smarter than any of us here, that will happen 6-8 months from now. Take a walk, watch the birds, and smell the roses. We've got a long wait ahead and right now anyone planning to watch games this year is setting him or herself up for disappointment.
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Fryowa
Administrator
I wouldn't use P5 as the "they'll be fine" line in the sand. There are a ton of low-rent P5 athletic departments and there will be some that go down.
If ISU for example whiffs on football and basketball they won't be sustainable anymore and you'll see teams like that leaving major conferences for cheaper price of admission in the FCS. It's not just strictly keeping a program out of the red, if teams can't stay competitive salary-wise they're gonna fail. There will still be sports at these schools, but it will be a shadow of what it was before.
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DDThompson
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Has any reporter asked (or looked into) DJ Johnson's Hebrew Israelite religious view that American blacks are
the true chosen people of God and that "white Jews" are fake people of God and white Americans are dupes to the "white Jews."
The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed this group as a hate group.
What kind of negative bearing did the black supremacy belief of DJ Johnson have in his relationships with people in the Iowa football program?
the true chosen people of God and that "white Jews" are fake people of God and white Americans are dupes to the "white Jews."
The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed this group as a hate group.
What kind of negative bearing did the black supremacy belief of DJ Johnson have in his relationships with people in the Iowa football program?
okeefe4prez
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Competitive against whom, exactly? Iowa State is never going to be competitive salary-wise with Michigan, OSU, Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, etc. And every school is going to face the same shitstorm. Guys like Brohm, Kirk, Campbell, Fleck, etc. are going to get a monstrous haircut this year when the season finally gets 86ed. What are they gonna do? Is Matt Campbell gonna walk into a Story County courtroom while unemployment is 20% and ISU has laid off dozens of people and demand to be made whole on his contract? Not a fucking chance. Even the shitbag P5 programs will weather a year downturn just fine - they'll have pain and they'll spread it, but they ain't gonna disappear. It's programs like Akron, Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Troy, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State, Fresno State, etc. that are going to get absolutely crushed. There are 130 FBS teams. I'll call it right now - that number is sub-100 in 5 years. Guaranteed. Those regional schools are going to get hammered institutionally and there is no way they can weather the storm. If we lose P5 football programs, it will be teams like Stanford or Duke or maybe the Cal publics that go away, but it ain't gonna be the public P5s in the Midwest and South that disappear.
Fryowa
Administrator
Lol. If you're going to play this game you have to either tell the entire context or get called out.
The SPLC only classifies an extremist fringe offshoot of the BHI as a hate group.
5th paragraph down, straight from the horse's mouth...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-...lack-hebrew-israelites-becoming-more-militant
I mean, I'm not defending any religion--they're all completely fucking stupid and nonsensical--but you dropping half truths as full truths doesn't help your position. Now if you had some proof that DJ Johnson was part of one of these offshoots...by all means post it.
