Racism unique to only Iowa within the college ranks?

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kicker22 said:
Very good point. I coach club soccer under the umbrella of US Soccer. In our yearly mandatory training videos there's a great deal of time dedicated to the topic of what could be identified as abuse in sports and its very eye opening with regards to what can be construed as crossing the line.
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Agreed. I personally was completely caught off guard when HR came to me and said that I had received 9 complaints for giving unsolicited neck and shoulder massages to the secretaries. Of course, I changed and then began asking for consent. Talk about goal posts moving. Then, in my next meeting with HR the term "unsolicited" was taken out of the equation and I was banned from ALL neck and shoulder massages. It's a sad world out there.
 
kicker22 said:
You were expressing an opinion earlier and I shouldn't have came after it the way I did so I want to open this up not in an attempt to come after to you but to try to see things from a similar perspective. I've been in the coaching profession for 20+ years so I tend to be incredibly stubborn with regards to the Doyle situation. That said if it were my program, and realizing that you can't please everyone, if racism, white privilege, or unethical behavior of my self or staff was ever brought up by a single individual, handful of individuals, or from the masses its something I can't afford not to take seriously and immediately act upon it. Not for the fear of a which hunt or mob mentality, but simply because if its something that makes a player uncomfortable or feel belittled, then I've failed them as a coach and need to address it moving forward to avoid letting down an athlete in a similar fashion in the future.

We have differing opinions on the white privilege/systemic racism issue, but I believe it exists and whether intended or a total misunderstanding, I think it needs to be addressed and heard.

With regards to the issue concerning the flags on the surface, and I'll admit I've not done my homework with regards to the history of the flags but IMO the the rebel flag (as well as the Nazi flag) symbolizes, not necessarily slavery, but more so a superiority/inferiority complex. Which I think, as you indicated, despite being seen as a freedom of speech has become a symbol of oppression and hatred. Again as you said in your argument, I'm sure there's a historical meaning to it, but I think it presents itself as a symbol that NASCAR would rather not be synonymous with. Although I think you have a compelling argument with regards to freedom of expression that I don't have a valid argument against.
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I don't agree with racism.
As a coach you do understand that 90% of the teams names you play are probably offensive to someone, right? I commented on another post about the rough riders. Can't you see how that could offend a Spanish American?
So what is the answer?
That was my point about the pussifacation of the United States. People need to have thicker skin. You can't be attending to a player with a bruise when you have a player that needs stiches. Again I am not saying racism. I'm saying people also should learn to pick their battles. You can't have the fire department let a house burn down because they were putting out a cigar, now can you? Well that stuff will happen if someone is calling them every 10 minutes to come put out a cigar.
Also as a coach can you see how every college fly's a flag? ISU grads and fans fly ISU flags, Iowa, Iowa, Nebraska Nebraska and so on. Everyone thinks their school is the best and most likely have a valid point. Most championships, most yards, most points, best defense, most in the NFL. So they are all right, their school is the best. But everyone has the part they won't or can't admit, lowest graduation, most injuries, most years without a bowl game. So they are all wrong also. Now go try and tell them that. See??
 
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HawkGold said:
One person at a time.
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Ok let's start with changing racist people first then since that will actually make a decent difference in society. After we've changed all the racist people (of all races) then we can move onto the way smaller issues like unconscious bias.
 
4thngoal said:
I don't agree with racism.
As a coach you do understand that 90% of the teams names you play are probably offensive to someone, right? I commented on another post about the rough riders. Can't you see how that could offend a Spanish American?
So what is the answer?
That was my point about the pussifacation of the United States. People need to have thicker skin. You can't be attending to a player with a bruise when you have a player that needs stiches. Again I am not saying racism. I'm saying people also should learn to pick their battles. You can't have the fire department let a house burn down because they were putting out a cigar, now can you? Well that stuff will happen if someone is calling them every 10 minutes to come put out a cigar.
Also as a coach can you see how every college fly's a flag? ISU grads and fans fly ISU flags, Iowa, Iowa, Nebraska Nebraska and so on. Everyone thinks their school is the best and most likely have a valid point. Most championships, most yards, most points, best defense, most in the NFL. So they are all right, their school is the best. But everyone has the part they won't or can't admit, lowest graduation, most injuries, most years without a bowl game. So they are all wrong also. Now go try and tell them that. See??
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All I read was "ISU thinks their school is the greatest and they have a point".
 
okeefe4prez said:
Agreed. I personally was completely caught off guard when HR came to me and said that I had received 9 complaints for giving unsolicited neck and shoulder massages to the secretaries. Of course, I changed and then began asking for consent. Talk about goal posts moving. Then, in my next meeting with HR the term "unsolicited" was taken out of the equation and I was banned from ALL neck and shoulder massages. It's a sad world out there.
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Just a friendly warning. Don't ask anyone on a date or pay them any compliments anymore either. It might end up with another HR meeting. I can only assume any eye contact at all will be considered inappropriate soon too.
 
Fryowa said:
The bigger issue is that there haven't been any sports since March and between ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN News, ESPNU NBCSN, FS1, FS2 and CBSSN, there is 192 hours of sports airtime that needs filled EACH DAY. But there is virtually nothing to report on. So the media has to make the story and we end up with a soap opera.
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I'd watch the shit out of some PBR rn
 
PCHawk said:
Ok let's start with changing racist people first then since that will actually make a decent difference in society. After we've changed all the racist people (of all races) then we can move onto the way smaller issues like unconscious bias.
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Why wait? It's the middle that would make a difference
 
So a highly disciplined program recruiting players who are probably good dudes, but don’t come from structured environments are going to struggle.
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Good points. I would add the the culture usually reflects the leader. One of Kirk's strength is his humility and one of his weaknesses is his stubbornness. So if a player has a big ego and tends to brag, they will get more flak given the culture. Kirk stubbornness will prevent him from changing the culture of humility, hard work, and discipline. Hard to do this with strictly positive reinforcement. The glide path is towards tough times ahead.
 
HawkGold said:
The middle one person at a time. Ardent racists not likely to change. Covert ones it's about education.
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But it's the racists that are the problem. If they won't ever change, what's the point of trying to change the people in the middle?
 
PCHawk said:
But it's the racists that are the problem. If they won't ever change, what's the point of trying to change the people in the middle?
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You are just playing games now. You are somewhere between covert and outright. I hope someday I hope you understand.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Agreed. I personally was completely caught off guard when HR came to me and said that I had received 9 complaints for giving unsolicited neck and shoulder massages to the secretaries. Of course, I changed and then began asking for consent. Talk about goal posts moving. Then, in my next meeting with HR the term "unsolicited" was taken out of the equation and I was banned from ALL neck and shoulder massages. It's a sad world out there.
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So unfair. Terrible destruction of your team building strategies
 
HawkGold said:
You are just playing games now. You are somewhere between covert and outright. I hope someday I hope you understand.
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That's the problem, you don't see or won't see any other view.
This time answer me.
1 do you think a coach, teacher or anyone else should be questioned much less in trouble for wearing a shirt with a news logo on it?
2 can you see that saying "white privilege and racism" is in itself racist?
Because so far you want everything you want and if you don't agree with anything anyone says you call them are racist and tell them they don't understand. Well it seems to me many right on here are trying to understand and figure it out far far more than you are.
I ask those questions because I am trying to figure out how far from center you are. Center being where you are totally objective.
 
4thngoal said:
That's the problem, you don't see or won't see any other view.
This time answer me.
1 do you think a coach, teacher or anyone else should be questioned much less in trouble for wearing a shirt with a news logo on it?
2 can you see that saying "white privilege and racism" is in itself racist?
Because so far you want everything you want and if you don't agree with anything anyone says you call them are racist and tell them they don't understand. Well it seems to me many right on here are trying to understand and figure it out far far more than you are.
I ask those questions because I am trying to figure out how far from center you are. Center being where you are totally objective.
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1 depends on the news.
2.no

You make an error. You assume you are center of being right. You aren't. It's about human decency.
 
HawkGold said:
You are just playing games now. You are somewhere between covert and outright. I hope someday I hope you understand.
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Yea I was mostly just messing with you because you said one person at a time. My last post had some truth to it tho.
 
By the way, has anyone read the ridiculously long article about why Derek Chauvin will probably get off murder charges? Holy cow will that make anyone who's willing to change their mind question that whole situation. That article is either full of blatant lies, or he probably will and should get off murder charges. I would have never thought I could change my mind on that dude, but the more I read that article and the more facts they laid out, the more I got on the fence. Please no judging my saying that unless you find the article and read it (sorry no link) because i can see how hard it will be to not judge me. Hell i would judge me if i hadn't read it myself.
 
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