Yeah I'd more concerned about team defense, our rotation, replacing Jok's scoring among other things.
Nunge Garza Perfect Storm
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Yeah I'd more concerned about team defense, our rotation, replacing Jok's scoring among other things.
thedukeofearl
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Dom could provide valuable experience in practice and actual gameplay to develop defense and overall play....
Hopefully, he will find his scoring touch and be a bit more comfortable on the offensive end of the floor. He did have underrated value bringing the ball across the halfcourt line.....
thedukeofearl
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Turning either of them down was not an option in Fran's mind, I would imagine.....
His sanity would have been questioned.....
Fran's ability to find the diamond in the rough is unquestionable.....
Nunge was an under the radar prospect his junior year, but the potential was certainly there, as Fran certainly knew.....
trj
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Couldn't agree more with this. So many are stuck in an old school mindset that only way to create/initiate offense is with dribble drive penetration. Now more than ever it is about spacing and ball movement.
It isn't just Fran that is the way the game is played now. It is outside in, we grew up in a world where you worked inside out and the game isn't played that way anymore.
trj
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It isn't about points per game, it is about points per possession. This year Iowa was dogshit on defense. However, in previous years the ppp numbers were solid. Imo, the ppp numbers will get better just with experience alone. They will understand how defensive rotation works. They won't be a step late getting out on shooters.
I'm concerned with backup point guard, shooting guard, and team defense a bit. I'm not concerned at all about Jok's scoring or the rotation. I'm hoping Ellingson becomes the backup point guard , Moss becomes a consistent scorer, and 2 new bigs + a year experience for the freshmen help the team defense. If all 3 of those things happen, (or Williams somehow turns it around) we will finish top 4 in the Big 10.
MelroseHawkins
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Exactly! It's bass ackwards than the way we grew up. No more having a center of forward convalesce on the post waiting for a pass to get dumped in. They are being pulled out.
Over time, the big players have refined an outside shot that has played into the change in style. Everybody shoots a 3 ball. I have 10 year old boys and coach their youth team and all they want to do is practice 3's which I have to get on them about. Tall kids, short kids, they all can shoot.
In addition, most players can adequately handle the ball. This has changed as well over time. You will still have "true" point guards come around which is special, but most can handle the ball well without turning it over. This is why you can put all shooters on the court and spread teams out. Back in the day, you may not want the big guy dribbling up or around the court. It was to give to to the point guard. Not that way anymore. Everybody in competitive ball can dribble and handle the ball fine.
I wonder if the infatuation on this site over dribble penetration stems from how horrible of shooters Fran's first teams were. Remember how tgey bricked open look after open look? A guy who could get to the hoop seemed pretty important back then. Now all I want to see are 3s and layups/dunks.
trj
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I realize comparing the NBA to college basketball is an apple/orange comparison. Think about it, you name the 7 or 8 top point guards in the league and the only one that is a "true" point guard is Chris Paul. The game has just just changed.
The Big LeHAWKski
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Garza's foot work is very good. Not sure why, but his style really reminds me of Wisconsin's Ethan Happ.
Casey388
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I was impressed with Garza tonight at the PTL game in Waterloo. He is much more toned than I was expecting. He physically looks like a guy who is going into his second or third year of college and every bit of 6'10. He was going up against UNI's Friedman and Kriener. There were times both Friedman and Kriener got the best of him but man he is not afraid to put his head down and take it to the hoop. He seems like he could end up being a more physical Ethan Happ. He also plays with emotion.
Nunge isn't as muscular, but he isn't small by any stretch of the imagination. He is the more skilled of the two and likes to play further from the hoop. The ceiling for him is unlimited. In pregame he hit two or three shots from NBA range. The future is definitely bright for these two.
The biggest surprise I had was with Kriener. He did everything well. He hit two or three 3's, was mixing it up inside with Garza but the thing that got me was his passing. He had two or three passes I couldn't believe that he was able to thread the needle on. He is going to be forcing the coaches to make some tough decisions.
Nunge isn't as muscular, but he isn't small by any stretch of the imagination. He is the more skilled of the two and likes to play further from the hoop. The ceiling for him is unlimited. In pregame he hit two or three shots from NBA range. The future is definitely bright for these two.
The biggest surprise I had was with Kriener. He did everything well. He hit two or three 3's, was mixing it up inside with Garza but the thing that got me was his passing. He had two or three passes I couldn't believe that he was able to thread the needle on. He is going to be forcing the coaches to make some tough decisions.
lightning1
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I'm not negative. 8 bigs, 3 wings and 2 guards is less than ideal. We had 3 players miss time last year to injury (4 if you count Jones). Injuries happen in basketball.
deanvogs
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7 bigs, not 8. Cook, Pemsl, Uhl, Wagner, Nunge, Garza, Kreiner.
Baer is a wing player.
I don't think there is any infatuation but Fran's top point guard recruits have always been dribble penetration guys. Maybe you should tell him to stop recruiting them
I think that's a really good comparison
InGoodCo
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Then what would be? That's absolutely my # 1 concern. Team defense will be remarkably better with a year in the system and we bring in two 6'11" guys.
Perimeter defense, replacing Jok's scoring, getting consistent production out of our SG are way bigger concerns for me then point guard depth. We have no idea how good of defenders Nunge and Garza will be. Cook was a 6'9 freak athlete and couldn't defend anyone as a freshman
BILLYBOBSTEXAS
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Great comments all around! For those who believe Iowa needs another PG, I remind them of a PG MSU had some time ago. His name was Earvin Johnson. He was 6'9". With the ball in his hands he was pure MAGIC!
