Nunge Garza Perfect Storm

[VAHawkFan]

Totally agree, but maybe not to the extreme you are thinking. I think 1 less big and 1 True PG would balance the class nicely. Then we would have:

PG Jordan and another PG
Wings: Moss, Dailey, Williams, McCaffery, Baer (Nunge/Uhl possibly at times)
PF: Cook, Pemsl, Nunge, Uhl, Wagner (Lose a Big)
C: Kriener, Garza,

Also Fran can and will play without Kriener/Graza at times having either Nunge, Wagner, or Pemsl playing the 5. So while I think we are off kilter right now, I don't think it is that for out of whack. When Joe comes in next year and Uhl goes out, we will be back to balanced with Williams at PG.

Exactly right. And if I were a betting man, I would say Fran targeted both Nunge and Garza hoping to be able to land one of them. Connor would have been the second recruit leaving us with 6 guards, 7 bigs.

When the opportunity to get both Garza and Nunge became real...well, Fran couldn't say no.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Yep. Wish this was the NBA and we could trade one or two of our bigs for a ball handler.

I think you guys are seriously making too much of this and getting tunnel vision on this PG position.

You have to understand how Fran is building this team and how he wants to play. I think Fran wants a team loaded with a bunch of Uthoff type bodies being tall, lengthy and athletic. I think Fran envisions a team loaded with them on the court who would be a tough guard, especially with all having an outside shot. Fran's teams really don't need a dribble penetrator, per se, Frans offense really doesn't rely on drive and dish, it is spread you out and play outside in with passing to break down the defense.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Exactly right. And if I were a betting man, I would say Fran targeted both Nunge and Garza hoping to be able to land one of them. Connor would have been the second recruit leaving us with 6 guards, 7 bigs.

When the opportunity to get both Garza and Nunge became real...well, Fran couldn't say no.

This may be absolutely true, and I don't blame Fran at all for taking both. What was he going to do, turn one down. You take the absolute best talent. I think he knew he could figure out a solution at guard with the players he had.

 

[bogeyman]

I too am excited about these two. No matter what we get from them this year (trying to temper expectations) the future looks VERY bright with them, Wieskamp and J BO in the lineup. If Cook can stay through his Junior year even more fantastic.
I read a tweet from I believe Jon Rothstein that Iowa had been in contact with a PG Transfer from I believe LaSalle?
Anyone know anything about that or the player? Another true PG would be amazing, just not a Williams fan.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I think you guys are seriously making too much of this and getting tunnel vision on this PG position.

You have to understand how Fran is building this team and how he wants to play. I think Fran wants a team loaded with a bunch of Uthoff type bodies being tall, lengthy and athletic. I think Fran envisions a team loaded with them on the court who would be a tough guard, especially with all having an outside shot. Fran's teams really don't need a dribble penetrator, per se, Frans offense really doesn't rely on drive and dish, it is spread you out and play outside in with passing to break down the defense.

Here is to prove my point. I remind you this is with a young group, freshman at point guard. He got better as the year went on.

SCORING OFFENSE G PTS. AVG./G
1. Iowa 34 2738 80.5
2. Indiana 34 2711 79.7
3. Purdue 35 2790 79.7
4. Minnesota 34 2556 75.2
5. Michigan 38 2851 75.0
6. Maryland 33 2438 73.9
7. Ohio State 32 2329 72.8
8. Wisconsin 37 2678 72.4
9. Michigan State 35 2515 71.9
10. Penn State 33 2367 71.7
11. Illinois 35 2508 71.7
12. Northwestern 36 2558 71.1
13. Nebraska 31 2168 69.9
14. Rutgers 33 2163 65.5

ASSISTS G NO. AVG./G
1. Purdue 35 640 18.3
2. Iowa 34 602 17.7
3. Michigan State 35 591 16.9
4. Northwestern 36 541 15.0
5. Minnesota 34 507 14.9
6. Indiana 34 488 14.4
7. Maryland 33 472 14.3
8. Michigan 38 529 13.9
9. Penn State 33 452 13.7
10. Wisconsin 37 503 13.6
11. Ohio State 32 434 13.6
12. Illinois 35 472 13.5
13. Nebraska 31 354 11.4
14. Rutgers 33 362 11.0


TEALS G REBOUNDS AVG./G (Who knew. Just threw that one in because interesting!)
1. Iowa 34 252 7.4
2. Penn State 33 225 6.8
3. Nebraska 31 211 6.8
4. Wisconsin 37 250 6.8
5. Rutgers 33 217 6.6
6. Indiana 34 209 6.1
7. Michigan 38 220 5.8
8. Minnesota 34 194 5.7
9. Illinois 35 197 5.6
10. Maryland 33 180 5.5
11. Northwestern 36 189 5.3
12. Ohio State 32 166 5.2
13. Purdue 35 181 5.2
14. Michigan State 35 151 4.3


TURNOVER MARGIN G TEAM AVG. OPP. AVG. MARGIN
1. Michigan 38 348 9.2 479 12.6 +3.4
2. Penn State 33 430 13.0 487 14.8 +1.7
3. Wisconsin 37 411 11.1 472 12.8 +1.6
4. Northwestern 36 383 10.6 429 11.9 +1.3
5. Minnesota 34 393 11.6 429 12.6 +1.1
6. Illinois 35 433 12.4 448 12.8 +0.4
7. Iowa 34 472 13.9 486 14.3 +0.4
8. Nebraska 31 411 13.3 422 13.6 +0.4
9. Maryland 33 426 12.9 417 12.6 -0.3
10. Rutgers 33 437 13.2 427 12.9 -0.3
11. Ohio State 32 423 13.2 386 12.1 -1.2
12. Purdue 35 455 13.0 411 11.7 -1.3
13. Michigan State 35 490 14.0 380 10.9 -3.1
14. Indiana 34 517 15.2 379 11.1 -4.1

ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO G ASSIST AVG. T-OVER AVG. RATIO
1. Michigan 38 529 13.9 348 9.2 1.5
2. Northwestern 36 541 15.0 383 10.6 1.4
3. Purdue 35 640 18.3 455 13.0 1.4
4. Minnesota 34 507 14.9 393 11.6 1.3
5. Iowa 34 602 17.7 472 13.9 1.3
6. Wisconsin 37 503 13.6 411 11.1 1.2
7. Michigan State 35 591 16.9 490 14.0 1.2
8. Maryland 33 472 14.3 426 12.9 1.1
9. Illinois 35 472 13.5 433 12.4 1.1
10. Penn State 33 452 13.7 430 13.0 1.1
11. Ohio State 32 434 13.6 423 13.2 1.0
12. Indiana 34 488 14.4 517 15.2 0.9
13. Nebraska 31 354 11.4 411 13.3 0.9
14. Rutgers 33 362 11.0 437 13.2 0.8



ASSISTS GP NO. AVG.
1. Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern 36 188 5.2
Cassius Winston, Michigan State 35 182 5.2
3. Jordan Bohannon, Iowa 34 175 5.1
4. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 38 189 5.0
Nate Mason, Minnesota 34 169 5.0
6. JaQuan Lyle, Ohio State 31 142 4.6
7. Tony Carr, Penn State 33 139 4.2
8. Tai Webster, Nebraska 31 124 4.0
9. Dakota Mathias, Purdue 35 133 3.8
10. Anthony COWAN, Maryland 33 123 3.7
Melo TRIMBLE, Maryland 33 121 3.7
12. Lourawls Nairn Jr., Michigan State 35 127 3.6
13. Corey Sanders, Rutgers 33 107 3.2
Vincent Edwards, Purdue 35 112 3.2
Josh Newkirk, Indiana 34 108 3.2

ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO GP ASSISTS AVG. T-OVERS AVG. RATIO
1. Lourawls Nairn Jr., Michigan State 35 127 3.6 39 1.1 3.3
2. Derrick Walton Jr., Michigan 38 189 5.0 66 1.7 2.9
3. Nate Mason, Minnesota 34 169 5.0 65 1.9 2.6
Dakota Mathias, Purdue 35 133 3.8 52 1.5 2.6
5. Cassius Winston, Michigan State 35 182 5.2 77 2.2 2.4
6. Jordan Bohannon, Iowa 34 175 5.1 76 2.2 2.3
7. Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern 36 188 5.2 96 2.7 2.0
8. Vincent Edwards, Purdue 35 112 3.2 59 1.7 1.9
JaQuan Lyle, Ohio State 31 142 4.6 75 2.4 1.9
Te'Jon Lucas, Illinois 31 95 3.1 51 1.6 1.9
11. Anthony COWAN, Maryland 33 123 3.7 76 2.3 1.6
Tony Carr, Penn State 33 139 4.2 86 2.6 1.6
Amir Coffey, Minnesota 33 102 3.1 64 1.9 1.6




Why did Iowa struggle last year? Because of this. Has nothing to do with the point guard, who was a freshman.


SCORING DEFENSE G PTS. AVG./G
1. Wisconsin 37 2308 62.4
2. Northwestern 36 2357 65.5
3. Michigan 38 2523 66.4
4. Rutgers 33 2215 67.1
5. Maryland 33 2246 68.1
6. Purdue 35 2393 68.4
7. Michigan State 35 2404 68.7
8. Illinois 35 2417 69.1
9. Minnesota 34 2361 69.4
10. Ohio State 32 2232 69.8
11. Penn State 33 2400 72.7
12. Nebraska 31 2264 73.0
13. Indiana 34 2491 73.3
14. Iowa 34 2654 78.1

 

[MisterLucky]

I don't know what kind of relationship they are going to have off the court, but they will see a lot of each other on the court battling and going up against each other.

They room together and seem to get on pretty well. Very complimentary of each other's personalities and abilities.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

They room together and seem to get on pretty well. Very complimentary of each other's personalities and abilities.

Yea I read that in Rob's piece. Good to know.

 

[atomicblue224]

This post got my fragile heart going like this!

 

[lightning1]

I think you guys are seriously making too much of this and getting tunnel vision on this PG position.

You have to understand how Fran is building this team and how he wants to play. I think Fran wants a team loaded with a bunch of Uthoff type bodies being tall, lengthy and athletic. I think Fran envisions a team loaded with them on the court who would be a tough guard, especially with all having an outside shot. Fran's teams really don't need a dribble penetrator, per se, Frans offense really doesn't rely on drive and dish, it is spread you out and play outside in with passing to break down the defense.

If Bohannon blows out an ACL, you'll know exactly why we are making a big deal out of it. We could absorb 3 or 4 injuries at the front court positions. We lose Bohannon and we're screwed.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

If Bohannon blows out an ACL, you'll know exactly why we are making a big deal out of it. We could absorb 3 or 4 injuries at the front court positions. We lose Bohannon and we're screwed.

What if.... What if..... What if........

You still have Christian Williams and other quality individuals who can fill in for that style of play. I like how last year everyone beeotched about Jo Bo playing the point, "He's not a point..... We don't have a true point".... blah .... blah....blah, and now if Jo Bo blows out his ACL, Iowa's screwed. Well, that pretty much admits that he is a formidable PG. Why so negative? Really, what if a player blows an ACL? I'm saying the style of offense that Fran has, a true PG is not really needed. They need to take care of the ball & limit turnovers.

 

[Hawk5656]

I think you guys are seriously making too much of this and getting tunnel vision on this PG position.

You have to understand how Fran is building this team and how he wants to play. I think Fran wants a team loaded with a bunch of Uthoff type bodies being tall, lengthy and athletic. I think Fran envisions a team loaded with them on the court who would be a tough guard, especially with all having an outside shot. Fran's teams really don't need a dribble penetrator, per se, Frans offense really doesn't rely on drive and dish, it is spread you out and play outside in with passing to break down the defense.

Fran has always tried recruiting a dribble penetrator at PG though

 

[InGoodCo]

If Bohannon blows out an ACL, you'll know exactly why we are making a big deal out of it. We could absorb 3 or 4 injuries at the front court positions. We lose Bohannon and we're screwed.

U can say this about pretty much every team in college basketball - if they lose one of their starting players who is also one of their leading scorers, they're screwed. The fact is Iowa doesn't have a lot of depth at that particular position and that is ALSO true for pretty much every team in college basketball somewhere on the floor.

 

[PCHawk]

U can say this about pretty much every team in college basketball - if they lose one of their starting players who is also one of their leading scorers, they're screwed. The fact is Iowa doesn't have a lot of depth at that particular position and that is ALSO true for pretty much every team in college basketball somewhere on the floor.

It's pretty cool that Fran has us in a position where we are worried about not having a good backup at one position.

 

[Hawk5656]

It's pretty cool that Fran has us in a position where we are worried about not having a good backup at one position.

Depth at the PG position is way down on my list of things I'd be worried about going into this season

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Wow...those defensive numbers are awful. 78 points a game...that's abysmal. You can't point to one guy for that mess. Everyone gets a year older, but if I'm Fran...I'd spend the first month of camp reinforcing that you can't win in the B10 giving up 78 points a game.

 

[PCHawk]

Depth at the PG position is way down on my list of things I'd be worried about going into this season

Lol really?

 

[thedukeofearl]

I became a huge Kriener fan last year. I suppose because I really didn't know much about him and he came from nowhere. He has a very good mid range shot and just seems to hustle and be involved. That's all you can really ask. Big fan of him.

Kriener and Pemsl are tough as nails.....

 

[thedukeofearl]

Depth at the PG position is way down on my list of things I'd be worried about going into this season

Depending on Jordan staying healthy.....

 

[thedukeofearl]

Only thing Woodbury has on Garza is two inches of height which made him more menacing down low when guys try to get to the basket. Garza looks like so much of a better offensive force than Woody it's not even close.

And while Woodbury was taller, Garza will undoubtedly have more blocked shots and dunks.

Nunge could end up being better than Uthoff but it's too early to tell, of course.

Blinded by the light of the Hawkeye future.....

 

[thedukeofearl]

There's just no freaking way we can play all these guys. For the 3-4-5 spots we have Cook, Pemsl, Baer, Wagner, Kreiner, Uhl, Nunge & Garza. That's 8 guys for 3 spots.

Ideally we can run them in and out throughout the entire game as the season progresses. Finding the combinations is Key.....