lightning1
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You're happy with mediocre. That's fine. Some of us are not. That's fine too.
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MelroseHawkins
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Well duh?
Going back to the point, was just pointing out why and how McCaffery got selected at Iowa. Iowa made a point to seek out a coach with a certain playing style. Just rehashing how it all unfolded and he ended up here. That's it.
lightning1
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We get that. But Painter had a BIG title BEFORE the poor season and he's back in contention again. What does Fran have? A 3rd place finish and 2 second round blowout losses in 7 seasons. I have ZERO interest in getting back to that "mountain top" before the next 3 seasons of mediocre to poor basketball.
Dan Hurley; Rhode Island, Gregg Marshall Wichita St, for starters, .....and pay them whatever it takes to get them here.
My problem with Fran really isn't with this season and a half empty CHA. It was watching the past three seasons as his teams displayed no mental toughness, couldn't buy a free throw when needed, and choked. It was poor coaching, plain and simple. This season, I see his team lacking fundamentals that even most high school teams have developed. I don't understand the reluctance to pull the plug, like I said before, other programs do it all the time. Go find a winner. We pay to be entertained, look at CHA......have you been to a game this year? I have and vowed to never go again until Fran is gone.
MelroseHawkins
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I wouldn't have this long of a leash with other coaches. I just see the upside with Fran and think there will be very good years after this. It is what I see. I don't expect others to see what I see and let them have their opinion. Look Fran has more positive then negative. The one huge negative is an issue I will admit. It's the lack of defense.
Every positive attribute is great such as recruiting top talent, the offense produces, passion for the game, seems to run the ship fine with team camaraderie. Ironically, he has not had a lot of players transfer out, IMO.
Just saying. Give him a chance to get a PG on roster and stiffen the D up. I will guarantee that he will have special seasons coming at Iowa. I don't usually do that.
mopkins
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Gregg Marshall currently makes over $3.3M and is already making in the top 10 of all college basketball coaches. There's no chance Iowa is paying more than that while simultaneously paying for Fran's buyout.
Dan Hurley is certainly an interesting name. He will be a hot commodity this offseason for sure.
InGoodCo
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I get that the not announcing it thing was shifty. You get no argument. It was signed after a beat down at VT. After the Cayman debacle - I am 100% with you on that. It was not announced because of the season and that was wrong. Doesn't mean, it wasn't done for the purpose that I layed out.... and I doubt Fran kept that kind of thing quiet to recruits., or to any one in fact. Do you think Pat talks to any of these guys ever? I imagine he does. I bet he does. I dunno tho
and the 2 players you named were recruited before Fran had even been at Iowa a full calendar year... and I think Fran came at em both late, but ya can't really fault him for that considering he had just got here. He's pretty much got every other in state target since and IMO I doubt Paige was ever coming to Iowa - the uncertainty at head coach at that point in Iowa's program was probably a big negative for both Paige and Washpun.
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This is his eighth year and he still has not found a PG, you could count Gessel, if your idea of a good PG is driving the lane, throwing up a shot, getting blocked, or fouled and missing free throws.
InGoodCo
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I'm not happy with mediocre - I want Iowa to be better. I happen to think many factors go into a program becoming better besides constant coaching turnover. I think with all the in state talent we have coming in the future, having stability at HC is pretty important.
InGoodCo
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Great solution - Dan Hurley has 1 NCAA appearance in 6 years, no ties to the Midwest, Big Ten and a bigger gamble then keeping Fran IMO and Gregg Marshall has turned down 10 better jobs then Iowa in the last 20 minutes to stay at Wichita State.
InGoodCo
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Amazing how losers like In Good Company embrace mediocrity. The Fight for Iowa motto becomes, meh we might win someday, come on guys lets cheer really loud this time. Had the internet been around in the 70s' they would have sung the praises of Bob Cummings and Dick Schultz instead of demanding a Hayden Fry and Lute Olson.
MelroseHawkins
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I understand the frustration. I realize it is a tough sale on my part. Totally get that. I felt I've always been a good read of people, just meeting new individuals or interviewing individuals for work. I think I read people pretty well. I don't know why but for some reason I think it is going to work out.
MelroseHawkins
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I want you to define to me what your great point guard is? What attributes would you be fine with in a PG?
SheagleHawk
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MelroseHawkins
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You guys and your freaking PG tunnel vision is just nauseating. It really is. THE OFFENSE IS NOT BROKEN!! THEY SCORE ENOUGH!!
If anything, Fran's negative is NOT having that lock-down defending specialist to offset the opposing teams best or quickest player. That is what this team needs. If it happens to be a PG, then that is a bonus attribute for that player.
This team scores enough, so bitching about not having a PG that can drive to the hoop for an extra f'ing 8 pts a game is asinine, to say the least!! It's low hanging fruit for people who really don't know what the F is going on to jump on the bandwagon to sound like they know what the F they are talking about. Now if you're saying we need a PG that can lock down opponents, then I'll punt and say fine I agree. The point is we NEED A STUD DEFENDER!!
Learn the game!
drop mic.
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InGoodCo
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Name calling, the clear sign you've got to someone and they have nothing left to say. Either way - good look. I am glad that you want change - and you're entitled to that. I don't completely NOT see your view. I don't embrace mediocrity at all. I want to win today. What's wrong with that? I want to win immediately. I want to win in the future. I happen to think that stability in our HC position at Iowa with the talent that is coming up in state could end up paying off. It could end terribly too. That's the gamble you take - I'd argue that the last 2 coaching changes hurt Iowa's recruiting when they had good players leave for other schools.
Sorry that you are triggered, but you probably shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it. Go find your safe place.
If you think an instate kid will choose Iowa, with a half full arena, and a poor coach you are delusional.
NikeHawk21
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Direct quote from Gary Barta’s interview.
“Many times, when we announce coaches’ contracts, it’s for recruiting. In this case, we didn’t need an advantage in recruiting. Recruiting’s been going fine. So I made the decision to wait until the end of the season”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.hawkcentral.com/amp/1075928001
This wasn’t about recruiting, it was about GB locking up a coach he thinks is the best Iowa can do.
