KF Press Conference @ 2pm

[Fryowa]

welcome to the end of the news cycle.

If it ends up that Iowa got the ball rolling on positive change, this can be something everyone can be proud of. And at the same time it will definitely rid the fan bases of people who suck anyway.

 

[Fryowa]

Before the press conference I said KF wasn't going to roll over on Doyle and that I thought nobody was leaving from the coaching ranks. After listening to the press conference. I think it's likely that Doyle is indeed leaving. As others have mentioned...the "mood around the weight room being different" was pretty telling.

I wouldn't say it's a done deal...as I'm sure it's not going to be a cheap parting of the ways. Saying offensive or bigoted things occasionally isn't something that's going to trigger his termination clause. He's gonna be getting a big check if they let him go.

It will be interesting...I know it's not the players decision about whether Doyle goes or not...but I wonder to a man...what the current players feelings are on Chris Doyle. Now...that makes me look at Dillon leaving a little differently...maybe that's already been made clear that current players want the old man out.

Brian and Wallace won’t survive this either. No matter how much you want them to.

 

[westender]

The thing about O Keefe was with a good QB his offense was a thing of beauty, without it was a clunker.

I think it was accused of being "predictable".

 

[westender]

If it ends up that Iowa got the ball rolling on positive change, this can be something everyone can be proud of. And at the same time it will definitely rid the fan bases of people who suck anyway.

They will still watch with their curtains closed.

 

[ChosenChildren]

Really impressed with IKM today, and all of the kids who talked. Getting rid of the twitter ban is a good move. If kneeling during the anthem helps these kids relax and feel better about their team, I’m all for it. Big Ten football is brutal for these kids.

Ferentz can make a real difference now if he follows through.

 

[trj]

Brian and Wallace won’t survive this either. No matter how much you want them to.

Brian is the tricky part of this. KF is in a tough spot it’s his kid. If I am KF I am not sure how I would play it.

 

[PCHawk]

If it ends up that Iowa got the ball rolling on positive change, this can be something everyone can be proud of. And at the same time it will definitely rid the fan bases of people who suck anyway.

Most fans that say they will be gone won't really be gone. The ones who are are so far right that they are douches anyway.

 

[trj]

Really impressed with IKM today, and all of the kids who talked. Getting rid of the twitter ban is a good move. If kneeling during the anthem helps these kids relax and feel better about their team, I’m all for it. Big Ten football is brutal for these kids.

Ferentz can make a real difference now if he follows through.

KF didn’t have a choice, he had to get rid of the twitter ban.

 

[Fryowa]

Most fans that say they will be gone won't really be gone. The ones who are are so far right that they are douches anyway.

I don’t care about right or left so much...

But I get what you mean.

 

[haydensly]

Let me flip it in reverse...

Why do you want to be a fan of a team made up of players who so strongly disagree with you and obviously have polar opposite social convictions? Why do you want to be a fan of players who don't want you as a fan? If these players have taken a stance together that's so against the grain of your being that you can't look past it, then why would you not want to move on? Is it because you wish they'd see things your way and change their minds? Is it because you're nostalgic for the good old days of Iowa football? Both are understandable reasons, but neither are realistic.

Whether any of us like it or not, a more progressive and less old school wave of student athletes is here and it won't be going away, ever. The new way of running a football team is going to be involve less authority by coaches, and things that were accepted in the 80s/90s/whenever aren't going to be tolerated anymore. That's just fact. What you call demanding coaching and jokes in bad taste are now seen as abuse and bigotry. Wouldn't it be easier to walk away and find something different to spend your time following rather than trying to repeatedly slam your head against a brick wall hoping it's gonna change? If you're going to wait it out until the current crop of players is gone hoping for a return to Ferentzball 1.0 you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Maybe it's best to say, "It's been a good run, but this isn't what I became a fan of," and move on. Because it's not going back to the way it was. Ever.

This. So well said, every word. The clock is not getting turned back, no matter how much anyone wants it to. It is a new world in college athletics. Iowa is the start, it won't be limited to here.
In 1968, people thought the world was coming to an end because "subversives" were taking over the world. What really happened was it brought about needed change. The same thing is happening today. Sometimes things like this are a force of nature. And I don't think it is a Left/Right issue. It's just change that I believe is going to happen.

 

[Fryowa]

KF didn’t have a choice, he had to get rid of the twitter ban.

This. He said it was a stupid rule because it ended up getting his ass in boiling hot water.

 

[revkev73]

Let me flip it in reverse...

Why do you want to be a fan of a team made up of players who so strongly disagree with you and obviously have polar opposite social convictions? Why do you want to be a fan of players who don't want you as a fan? If these players have taken a stance together that's so against the grain of your being that you can't look past it, then why would you not want to move on? Is it because you wish they'd see things your way and change their minds? Is it because you're nostalgic for the good old days of Iowa football? Both are understandable reasons, but neither are realistic.

Whether any of us like it or not, a more progressive and less old school wave of student athletes is here and it won't be going away, ever. The new way of running a football team is going to be involve less authority by coaches, and things that were accepted in the 80s/90s/whenever aren't going to be tolerated anymore. That's just fact. What you call demanding coaching and jokes in bad taste are now seen as abuse and bigotry. Wouldn't it be easier to walk away and find something different to spend your time following rather than trying to repeatedly slam your head against a brick wall hoping it's gonna change? If you're going to wait it out until the current crop of players is gone hoping for a return to Ferentzball 1.0 you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Maybe it's best to say, "It's been a good run, but this isn't what I became a fan of," and move on. Because it's not going back to the way it was. Ever.

I enjoy following Iowa sports but they don't rank in my top 50 of things that are most important to me. I think you are guessing anger/frustration on my part, it doesn't exist, at least in the forms you suggest.

Here are some givens...we don't know any facts...we have a bunch of accusations and complaining and a cry of injustice shared over social media. It might be true, but might not be true. Perception of "racism" differs. Some word that is a "slight" to someone might have had no evil intention connected to it.

If Doyle, for example, is guilty of mass injustices against athletes in a patterned way, well, that needs to be dealt with. Is that what happened?

I don't have a problem with "bending a knee." If police brutality is rampant (it is easy to assume that by picking anecdotal instances of course) then yes, protest in some form. However, don't assume that everyone needs to jump on your bandwagon and demand they follow your protests. That is selfish. The problem is this, those who want to bend a knee and protest don't seem very open to other views, such as a view to not do it.

I tend to not "live in the old times" on most issues. Life changes, it doesn't frighten me. I am troubled about the selfish, what's in it for me, look at me, blame society we are producing.

I don't know what "old Iowa football" was like. I am not banging my head against anything. I am merely discussing points of view that are other than "mob/assumption" think. You seem more troubled than I ever am about Iowa sports.

Thanks dad for straightening me out. But, if I walk away from anything, it will be my decision.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

You knew they wouldn't....

Kirk still seems nervous as a whore in church. He better hope Doyle doesn't take the, "If I go down you're going with me" approach because those dudes were thick as thieves.

Sure Fryowa. You also said KF wouldn't be the coach in August. So, do you think Doyle thinks KF is navigating the ship? Doyle knows what's going on. If KF was throwing him under the bus...he'd already be gone. Doyle is a big man...he's got to know he made his own bed here. You think KF's got some skeletons in the closet that Doyle's going to expose. Man, you've been watching too many episodes of Real Housewives of Iowa City or something.

I think these guys are friends and have been for 25 years. I don't think that's happening.

 

[revkev73]

He is not ....He does not need mentored, at least not in regards to this. The players are going to be unified together as a program. They will kneel or they won't and either way, they want Iowa fans to respect their decision and get behind them. Why is it so hard for you to support black players at Iowa, their plight, their fight for their right to have a voice and equality?

I don't want black players or any people to be treated unfairly. Two Sioux City police officers threatened to "take me out in the country and beat the hell out of me" when I was about 20 years old. We were pulled over for no reason, had done nothing, had not been drinking, nothing." It was a bit frightening and I couldn't understand why there were threatening me. I think they accused us of being drunk, but I hadn't had anything to drink in weeks. They were arrogant asses, on a power trip I suppose.

I don't like people slandered on social media or in any other form. Agree?

I do want to show support for the vast majority of law enforcement which is courageous and fair. As group they are being slandered by generalizations. "Those people."

How could we all show support for mistreated blacks and for honest law enforcement folks?

 

[FabFew]

Brian is the tricky part of this. KF is in a tough spot it’s his kid. If I am KF I am not sure how I would play it.

Kirk doesn't get to decide what happens to Brian because Brian reports to dipshit Barta.....

 

[revkev73]

Why?

Almost all of his teammates have come out and supported him and they sure haven't' told him he was out of line.

And by "mentor," wouldn't that be exactly what the players are upset about? Old white coaches telling them how to think and speak? You just don't get it.

Using terms such as "old and white" is ageism and racism...just so you know.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Brian and Wallace won’t survive this either. No matter how much you want them to.

Yeah...they won't survive...sure... just like KF won't survive. You are the original Chicken Little of Hawkeye Nation. You have the players on board...positive things happening to correct the culture. Change happening with former players providing a council to ensure real change happens, and you think the next step is to clean house three months before the season starts. Smart. Maybe we can get Greg Davis back. It ain't happening and you are looney for thinking it.

Whether you like it or not, Kirk Ferentz has the support of the University, the fans, and his players...the trifecta. He isn't going anywhere. I don't know the extent of what Brian and Wallace have done other than what I've read...but I can tell you it doesn't rise to legal standards for termination. It's awful...it's wrong, but I don't think they are firing offenses...especially if the current players and former players aren't asking for their removal. I don't agree with what they did, but they aren't going anywhere. A suspension...maybe.

Here's something else to consider. Iowa likes winning. Firing your OC, Linebacker's coach, and Strength coach over the summer isn't going to fly. It ain't happening.

 

[HawkGold]

As KF talked this is what popped up in my head.

 

[ModebaSan]

What you are seeing on display here now is the tail wagging the dog. Now I’m just wondering how long this takes to creep into the NFL and others sports. OMG! What about NASCAR? The most redneck sport there is! LOL!

 

[Fryowa]

Using terms such as "old and white" is ageism and racism...just so you know.

Just so you know, this post sounds like someone grasping at straws, almost an “I know you are, but what am I” response. You did an awful lot of deflecting and ignoring the questions I posted.

I suppose I could get on board with saying “old white guy” was racist if older white people didn’t have a huge amount of social advantage over minorities, but I digress. Basically what you’ve done here is no different than the “If black people can say the N word why is it bad for white people,” or “If there’s a Miss Black America, why can’t there be a Miss White America?” You. Just. Don’t. Get. It. I can’t help you understand because you just don’t process it from the other view. You were born, raised, and indoctrinated into the NW Iowa WASP culture and you’re wired that way. I don’t think you’re a bad person at all but I don’t think you’ll understand what’s being said until you abandon that way of thinking and look at things from the other perspective—without your idea of what “god” wants clouding your vision.

The very concept of racism implies that there’s a form of dominance over one group by another group. Please, PLEASE tell me where a black 19 year old man has any dominance over 55-65 year old millionaire white coaches. Good grief...

Ageism....

You’ve realized your argument is full of holes so you decided to throw out a last hurrah shot across the bow with that one. Ageism is (like racism) a concept that implies one group’s unfair dominance over another group. To give you some education, ageism (as defined by law and by academia, not by Fryowa) would be if I didn’t hire a 60 year old, well-qualified, physically and mentally-able person for a job because of his age and instead hired a less-qualified, less able person because he or she was younger. That’s the absolute, textbook definition of ageism. When I say “old” white guy, I’m IMPLYING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF AGEISM.” I’m saying the guy has the advantage because he’s older and white and rich and powerful in the state of Iowa.

So...now that we’ve worked out that racism and ageism don’t apply definitionally in this situation (if they do, please spell it out for me), would you please be kind enough to answer the questions I asked in my reply to your post about why you would want to root for a team that doesn’t want you as a fan? There are other good questions in that post too, but let’s start with that one and take them one at a time....