Look who he recruited for PG's in the 2016 class before he fell back on Bohannon. All true PG's
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Hmm. Maybe I'm Off My Rocker but.....
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Look who he recruited for PG's in the 2016 class before he fell back on Bohannon. All true PG's
Williams could be good in the future, but it's hard to know if it's this year. I've consistently doubted Fran and his ability to develop guys, but every year he's produced a player that really outpaced people's expectations of them. White, Uthoff, Marble, etc. Best case scenario for Williams would be the Marble jump from freshman to sophomore. If Iowa can get that production from him that would be awesome and IMO they are back in the tourney.
The question is how big of a jump can he make - Marble was still a pretty productive player for a freshman, almost 6 PPG and 20 MPG. Williams only played more than 10 minutes in 2 games all year, didn't play in 10 of the Big 10 games, and scored only 27 points all year. I can't think of a single player to go from playing that little to scoring double figures. Not impossible obviously but not something that should be expected at all.
As far as the height thing, it gets overplayed. Would you rather have 6'7" Shaun Livingston or 6'1" Steph Curry? You'd take Curry. Good offense is good offense.
Williams looked at least just as good as Marble did as a freshman. He just didn't get the minutes because he didn't play on a Lickliter roster like Marble did. They are actually very similar players. Marble just improved at an extremely high rate. It's unlikely that Williams can repeat that.
Williams looked at least just as good as Marble did as a freshman. He just didn't get the minutes because he didn't play on a Lickliter roster like Marble did. They are actually very similar players. Marble just improved at an extremely high rate. It's unlikely that Williams can repeat that.
Are you related to CW? Way too small of a sample size to say something that crazy
I trust the official roster over an Instagram picture. I think Wagner is 6'7
Why? You think maybe the picture was doctored? Besides, he originally quoted Dillard. I would trust a coach backed up by a picture over a roster.
Are you related to CW? Way too small of a sample size to say something that crazy
It's not crazy at all to say he played as well as freshman Marble. Freshman Marble wasn't very good. Saying he played like senior Marble would be crazy.
All guys who could get their own offense.Look who he recruited for PG's in the 2016 class before he fell back on Bohannon. All true PG's
It's not crazy at all to say he played as well as freshman Marble. Freshman Marble wasn't very good. Saying he played like senior Marble would be crazy.
Even if you go by per 40 numbers Marble was a better scorer, shot better from the floor, was a better rebounder and was better at taking care of the ball than CW was as a freshman. I never said Marble was great as a freshman but CW only scored 27 points on the entire season last year. That's like watching 4 non conference games and determining from that a player is better than someone who had a full season to compare to
Why? You think maybe the picture was doctored? Besides, he originally quoted Dillard. I would trust a coach backed up by a picture over a roster.
I didn't say it was doctored. An official roster is what I'm going off of. Are you going to refer to Wagner as 6'6 moving forward?
All guys who could get their own offense.
Do you think Bohannon can get his own offense?
I think we've mostly lacked a third consistent scoring option. An elite PG is the easy answer to that problem, I agree, but not the only one. We could have several 3rd scoring options emerge on the present team with a D-first primary PG.
We have some shooters as several posters have mentioned, but still may need an elite PG to get them in good position to score, not necessarily even the PG has to score to get that 3rd option. However, as I mentioned earlier, it would be nice if our PG position could at least knock down the open jumper from the arc at a rate that makes the other team pay for sagging on him, even if they can't create a ton with penetration. I guess bottom line is they have the ball in their hands more than anyone, it'd be a dream to have one that could do something with it someday.
No, not generally. Thought you were talking about the other PGs we were recruiting. That skill set is why the others were recruited. Here is an article that just came out pertinent to this discussion.Do you think Bohannon can get his own offense?
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...lliams-bohannon-forge-new-beginning/92408614/
We have some shooters as several posters have mentioned, but still may need an elite PG to get them in good position to score, not necessarily even the PG has to score to get that 3rd option. However, as I mentioned earlier, it would be nice if our PG position could at least knock down the open jumper from the arc at a rate that makes the other team pay for sagging on him, even if they can't create a ton with penetration. I guess bottom line is they have the ball in their hands more than anyone, it'd be a dream to have one that could do something with it someday.
I thought Williams was better than Marble his freshman year. I doubt Fran would of even recruited Marble if he hadn't committed to Lickliter and the roster was so depleted. Marble was young for his age when he came to Iowa, and he was a hard worker.
I thought Williams was better than Marble his freshman year. I doubt Fran would of even recruited Marble if he hadn't committed to Lickliter and the roster was so depleted. Marble was young for his age when he came to Iowa, and he was a hard worker.
Marble was a lot more recruited than Williams was.
No, not generally. Thought you were talking about the other PGs we were recruiting. That skill set is why the others were recruited. Here is an article that just came out pertinent to this discussion.
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...lliams-bohannon-forge-new-beginning/92408614/
And I believe Fran wanted a true PG that could create his own offense in 2016 and didn't get it and now we're where we are
Even if you go by per 40 numbers Marble was a better scorer, shot better from the floor, was a better rebounder and was better at taking care of the ball than CW was as a freshman. I never said Marble was great as a freshman but CW only scored 27 points on the entire season last year. That's like watching 4 non conference games and determining from that a player is better than someone who had a full season to compare to
They were on completely different teams so going by stats is pointless. Is that how you always determine who is better? I think Jok might lead the team in scoring this year but I don't think he will be the most talented scorer. It's all about the team he is on. The only way to compare freshman Marble to Williams is to watch the individual plays they were capable of making. Williams looked to be at least as capable of offensive player as Marble was.
They were on completely different teams so going by stats is pointless. Is that how you always determine who is better? I think Jok might lead the team in scoring this year but I don't think he will be the most talented scorer. It's all about the team he is on. The only way to compare freshman Marble to Williams is to watch the individual plays they were capable of making. Williams looked to be at least as capable of offensive player as Marble was.
Williams shot 32% from the floor, had 27 points on the season and had just as many assists as turnovers. What individual plays was he making Marble wasn't capable of his freshman year.
I think you are either trolling me or trying to talk yourself into Williams being something he isn't YET. That doesn't mean he can't get there but I don't see any way it happens this year and it didn't even come close to happening last year. Remember last year he couldn't get minutes at the PG position when people here think the PG's ahead of him were just average at best
Williams had just as many high offers as Marble, which was Iowa. Williams transferred back to a catholic high school in Illinois his senior year, and I'm pretty sure he didn't play his senior year or very little. He probably is back in the groove going into his second year at Iowa. I think he was an all state player his junior year. Anyway, I think that might of had something to do with his recruiting. He is going to be a good player for Iowa.Williams shot 32% from the floor, had 27 points on the season and had just as many assists as turnovers. What individual plays was he making Marble wasn't capable of his freshman year.
I think you are either trolling me or trying to talk yourself into Williams being something he isn't YET. That doesn't mean he can't get there but I don't see any way it happens this year and it didn't even come close to happening last year. Remember last year he couldn't get minutes at the PG position when people here think the PG's ahead of him were just average at best
Williams had just as many high offers as Marble, which was Iowa. Williams transferred back to a catholic high school in Illinois his senior year, and I'm pretty sure he didn't play his senior year or very little. I'm sure he probably is back in the groove going into his second year at Iowa. I think he was an all state player his junior year. Anyway, I think that might of had something to do with his recruiting. He is going to be a good player for Iowa.
Williams signed in the Spring, anyone who follows Spring recruiting knows those players get more offers as teams get desperate to fill out rosters. Look at Christian Vital for example, he was lightly recruited until the Spring and ended up choosing UCONN over us andn Louisville. Williams also played his whole senior year and was all state his senior and junior year. Marble had offers from Providence and Dayton the summer before his senior year when he committed to Iowa. If he would have waited to sign until the Spring he would have had a ton of choices
He wanted a guard that could create his own offense off the dribble. Most in that category are PGs. Dailey could be a guard who can get his own offense once he has the strength to sustain drives in the lane.And I believe Fran wanted a true PG that could create his own offense in 2016 and didn't get it and now we're where we are
Williams shot 32% from the floor, had 27 points on the season and had just as many assists as turnovers. What individual plays was he making Marble wasn't capable of his freshman year.
I think you are either trolling me or trying to talk yourself into Williams being something he isn't YET. That doesn't mean he can't get there but I don't see any way it happens this year and it didn't even come close to happening last year. Remember last year he couldn't get minutes at the PG position when people here think the PG's ahead of him were just average at best
I say stats don't matter because they were on two completely different team (which is common sense) and you bring out more stats. I'll say it a different way. When Marble played, our team sucked so he was asked to do more. When Williams played, our team was good so he was asked to defer to other players.
It's not like he played in the non conference then disappeared. He was trending up towards the end of the year. You must turn the channel in garbage time if you have to ask what plays he made. There was a few times where I thought that Gesell has been here 4 years and has never done that.