Good look at what the Big Ten may resemble next season

[Section136]

I don't know but I know Basabe averaged double figures his first year down in the post for Iowa.

I didnt know Basabe was a 7 footer.

 

[herbyhawk]

I didnt know Basabe was a 7 footer.

rather than being a total @ss about it, just say Basabe as a freshmen played PF and avg 11 ppg and 6.8 rpg
White this season avg'd 11.1 ppg and 5.7 rpg, neither were highly regarded let alone ranked as both were unranked 3*'s by rivals.
to expect # 42 player overall and a true 7' center by rivals and #51 by ESPN to come in and avg 10 ppg and 5 rpg should not be that unreasonable an expectation

 

[Section136]

rather than being a total @ss about it, just say Basabe as a freshmen played PF and avg 11 ppg and 6.8 rpg
White this season avg'd 11.1 ppg and 5.7 rpg, neither were highly regarded let alone ranked as both were unranked 3*'s by rivals.
to expect # 42 player overall and a true 7' center by rivals and #51 by ESPN to come in and avg 10 ppg and 5 rpg should not be that unreasonable an expectation

Tmoney didnt ask for players that averaged those numbers. He asked for 7 footers that averaged those numbers as true freshmen.

Do I need to dig up Meyers Leonard's, who was rated higher than Woodbury, stats as a true freshman at Illinois for you again dragon?

 

[herbyhawk]

Once again you are proving how big of an idiot you are and how big of a reading problem you have.

I never said you couldnt use incoming talent as a reason to expect to be better. I said Iowa isnt the only team with good to great talent coming into the program next year. Indiana's returning talent plus their incoming class will make a better roster than Iowa's. Im not saying they will be a better team, but they will be more talented.

Im not putting Wisconsin lower than 4th in the conference until they finish there again, which they have done in the past 10-12 years. They are always losing good players but always find a way to win games. I hate Bo Ryan as much as anyone but his teams always win games.

I said the schedule sets up for the Hawks next year, so thank you for agreeing with me. And I also said Michigan and Iowa would have about equal talent if Burke returns to Michigan.

I never once said any team in the B1G is "NBA level". I dont know why you think it is back to the basement for the Hawks, as you just said in the post I quoted, and its a little harsh to say they have no chance of competing next year. You have very little faith in Fran.

I said I would be thrilled with a top half finish (1st-6th in the conference) and think we can get there.

you are wrong about the last part i am starting to come around to your thinking Iowa has no chance of ever improving because everybody has such superior talent and Fans have no right to expect better thing from this team. and no matter who comes in Iowa never be better than a lower half team.
but i saw a post about Minnesota if they get Mbakwe. comes back they will immediately inprove to top 5 status maybe 3rd

 

[PCHawk]

rather than being a total @ss about it, just say Basabe as a freshmen played PF and avg 11 ppg and 6.8 rpgWhite this season avg'd 11.1 ppg and 5.7 rpg, neither were highly regarded let alone ranked as both were unranked 3*'s by rivals.to expect # 42 player overall and a true 7' center by rivals and #51 by ESPN to come in and avg 10 ppg and 5 rpg should not be that unreasonable an expectation

Tmoney didnt ask for players that averaged those numbers. He asked for 7 footers that averaged those numbers as true freshmen. Do I need to dig up Meyers Leonard's, who was rated higher than Woodbury, stats as a true freshman at Illinois for you again dragon?

I might be wrong but didn't illinois have a good center ahead of Leonard? you cans really fault him for his lack of stats if that's the case

 

[Section136]

you are wrong about the last part i am starting to come around to your thinking Iowa has no chance of ever improving because everybody has such superior talent and Fans have no right to expect better thing from this team. and no matter who comes in Iowa never be better than a lower half team.
but i saw a post about Minnesota if they get Mbakwe. comes back they will immediately inprove to top 5 status maybe 3rd

Once again your first few sentences of jibberish are not what I said.

And what about Minnesota makes you think they wont be good? They were a much better team once Sampson was out and that is all they lose going into next year. Add Mbakwe to that and that is a damn good team.

Keep putting words in my mouth though herby.

 

[PCBHAWK]

1. Barnes has been considered largely a disappointment in Chapel Hill (unfairly, but still).
2. Lafrentz had two solid years before exploding as a junior and senior.
3. Collison took off as a sophomore.
4. Hinrich didn't really take off until his junior season (had a solid sophomore year, though).
5. Paige has yet to set foot on a college basketball court.

That's not to say that Gesell and Woodbury won't be good players. But they aren't of one and done caliber, which is what the majority of high-impact freshmen are these days.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

People who think Woodbury and Gessel will make immediate impacts and take Iowa to the dance next year need their heads examined. It could happen, but as mentioned above, players need a few years to develop and we did not recruit a one and done type player.

 

[Section136]

I might be wrong but didn't illinois have a good center ahead of Leonard? you cans really fault him for his lack of stats if that's the case

Tisdale, who was decent.

Leonard only averaged 8.2 minutes per game. His stats were:

2.1 PPG and 1.2 RPG

People who are projecting Woodbury to average 8 and 5 or 10 and 6 better hope he plays about 30 minutes per game, which aint gonna happen.

 

[herbyhawk]

Tmoney didnt ask for players that averaged those numbers. He asked for 7 footers that averaged those numbers as true freshmen.

Do I need to dig up Meyers Leonard's, who was rated higher than Woodbury, stats as a true freshman at Illinois for you again dragon?

Pac stated that as a freshmen center for Iowa avg those type of #'s nothing more, lets ace it whether Woodbury avg 5 and 1 or 10 and 5 he will still be a huge factor in Iowa's progress and to dismiss his ability to do anything before he steps foot campus is worse than projecting 10ppg-5rpg type #'s, who's right in peoples "OPINION" on his success or lack of won't be realized til the season is played and and when it ends.
my expectation of a top 5 finish and a trip to the NCAA Dance are not that unrealistic. and i have more faith in the ability of the incoming players than some on here do.
you just don't recruit top 100 players to have them come in and hope they can compete. you bring them in TO compete and make the team better.
its apples to oranges trying to compare players when trying to diminishes expectations.
you say Gesell cannot compete ate the level of burke even though both are the same size and were ranked about the same coming out of HS, now people use Leonard to say Woodbury can't compete either. the only thing i see you use both sides of the arguement to support one theory of why neither Gesell or Woodbury can or will be able to compete.
you can't have it both ways, either top 100 players can compete at a high level for all teams or they can't compete

 

[JHHawk]

If Burke comes back, I do not agree that Michigan and Iowa talent is equal.

Michigan

Burke- frosh of the year in the league, 2nd team all-league
Hardaway- 3rd team all-league
Glenn Robinson jr- #34 ranked player in the country
McGary- #3 ranked player in the country
Morgan- 3 year starter at center.

Iowa-

Gesell- #98 ranked player
Oglesby- soph.
Marble- solid
White- honorable mention all-league
Woodbury- #43 ranked player in the country.

Sorry, but I doe not think many folks would rank that talent as equal. Michigan was a co-champ last year, while Iowa was the #7 seed,and Michigan adds perfect pieces to replace their losses. I have seen McGary play in a tourny on TV and he was a monster at power forward,exactly what they need up front.

I think Iowa might be a better team,but finish 6th-8th but still could make the NCAA tourny. Just being realistic. I would be very surprised if Iowa beat Minny and Wisky on the road next year. George Marshall,the Chicago pg who redshirted for Wisky last year, will be very good at pg for them, so I doubt Brust will play much at that position. And Decker is a top 20 player...a difference-maker.

This league is getting stronger,gang,so temper your expectations...making the NCAA is the realistic goal anyway,so unless we are going to win the Big Ten,lets just focus on that goal,which would be a huge step forward for Fran and the Hawks.

 

[PCBHAWK]

Pac stated that as a freshmen center for Iowa avg those type of #'s nothing more, lets ace it whether Woodbury avg 5 and 1 or 10 and 5 he will still be a huge factor in Iowa's progress and to dismiss his ability to do anything before he steps foot campus is worse than projecting 10ppg-5rpg type #'s, who's right in peoples "OPINION" on his success or lack of won't be realized til the season is played and and when it ends.
my expectation of a top 5 finish and a trip to the NCAA Dance are not that unrealistic. and i have more faith in the ability of the incoming players than some on here do.
you just don't recruit top 100 players to have them come in and hope they can compete. you bring them in TO compete and make the team better

I hope you're correct Herbie...I would love to see Woodbury average 10 pts and 8 rebounds a game in his first year. It can happen look at Jess Settles.

I think Iowa will struggle again next season. I think Gatens is a huge loss and his leadership will be missed.

 

[PCHawk]

I might be wrong but didn't illinois have a good center ahead of Leonard? you cans really fault him for his lack of stats if that's the case

Tisdale, who was decent. Leonard only averaged 8.2 minutes per game. His stats were: 2.1 PPG and 1.2 RPG People who are projecting Woodbury to average 8 and 5 or 10 and 6 better hope he plays about 30 minutes per game, which aint gonna happen.

so if tisdale wasn't there, Leonard might have started, built some confidence, and played good the last half of his freshman year. woodbury doesn't have a senior center ahead of him to keep him on the bench. I'm not saying he's gunna be great I'm just saying he doesn't have anyone standing in his way like Leonard did

 

[jackl]

So since Gabe didn't start you are nullified??? wow

So MG doesn't have to be as good as Burke but you compare them every chance you can???

Crack kills brah

The herbster voided his 9/11/5 prediction because Gabe didn't start? LMAO,that's priceless.

 

[herbyhawk]

Tisdale, who was decent.

Leonard only averaged 8.2 minutes per game. His stats were:

2.1 PPG and 1.2 RPG

People who are projecting Woodbury to average 8 and 5 or 10 and 6 better hope he plays about 30 minutes per game, which aint gonna happen.

wasn't Tisdale the starting center for Illinois Leonards freshmen year?. if so your arguement of using Leonard as a example is out the window, with the talent Illinois had and has it would be hard for a freshmen to come in and take minutes away from a senior.
Iowa has no starting senior in front of Woodbury to hamper his playing time.
there was a post awhile back that showed the top 10 centers pt production as freshmen #3 and #4 showed a vey good reason why you can't use other players on teams with very good talent as a measuring stick.
#3 &#4 avg 7-8 ppg and there was nobody ahead of them on the depth chart, the other 8 all had players in front of them limiting their playing time

 

[herbyhawk]

The herbster voided his 9/11/5 prediction because Gabe didn't start? LMAO,that's priceless.

go ahead and LYAO you just prove what istated about twisting posts to suit you arguement . I DID say "IF" he started, did Olaseni start "yes or no"?
no way could Olaseni come close to those #'s without starting, and that was my point he had to start to get those #'s

 

[jackl]

go ahead and LYAO you just prove what istated about twisting posts to suit you arguement . I DID say "IF" he started, did Olaseni start "yes or no"?
no way could Olaseni come close to those #'s without starting, and that was my point he had to start to get those #'s

So,all Fran had to do was start him,then Gabe would have posted those huge numbers? Damn Herb,you should have e-mailed Fran.

 

[herbyhawk]

So,all Fran had to do was start him,then Gabe would have posted those huge numbers? Damn Herb,you should have e-mailed Fran.

just answer the question . did Gabe start or not?
that was my basis of Gabe getting those #'s, my prediction of #'s are just that and nothing more

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

I don't know but I know Basabe averaged double figures his first year down in the post for Iowa.

I didnt know Basabe was a 7 footer.

Not a 7 footer but that cements my point about Wood bury. Basabe put up those numbers as a PF and also played Center some. At 6'7" mind you. Furthermore Basabe wasn't as refined as Woodbury is at this point in their career.

 

[Section136]

Pac stated that as a freshmen center for Iowa avg those type of #'s nothing more, lets ace it whether Woodbury avg 5 and 1 or 10 and 5 he will still be a huge factor in Iowa's progress and to dismiss his ability to do anything before he steps foot campus is worse than projecting 10ppg-5rpg type #'s, who's right in peoples "OPINION" on his success or lack of won't be realized til the season is played and and when it ends.
my expectation of a top 5 finish and a trip to the NCAA Dance are not that unrealistic. and i have more faith in the ability of the incoming players than some on here do.
you just don't recruit top 100 players to have them come in and hope they can compete. you bring them in TO compete and make the team better.
its apples to oranges trying to compare players when trying to diminishes expectations.
you say Gesell cannot compete ate the level of burke even though both are the same size and were ranked about the same coming out of HS, now people use Leonard to say Woodbury can't compete either. the only thing i see you use both sides of the arguement to support one theory of why neither Gesell or Woodbury can or will be able to compete.
you can't have it both ways, either top 100 players can compete at a high level for all teams or they can't compete

I have never once dismissed Woodbury's ability. You are on record saying that he would not start over Gabe Olaseni.

I never once said Gesell will not be able to compete at the same level of Burke. I think you are confuzing other posters comments with mine. I want you to go and find where I said these things or STFU and stop putting words in my mouth.

I have been saying that I expect a top half of the conference finish for the Hawks next year. That will get them into the NCAA tournament, barring another meltdown in the non-conference portion of our schedule like we saw this year.

 

[Section136]

Not a 7 footer but that cements my point about Wood bury. Basabe put up those numbers as a PF and also played Center some. At 6'7" mind you. Furthermore Basabe wasn't as refined as Woodbury is at this point in their career.

I think Tmoney was trying to make the point that 7 footers take quite a bit longer to develop than guys who are 6'7" and playing PF.