Good look at what the Big Ten may resemble next season

[PatrickAdamovicz]

I am still waiting...

And I answered your post. Your premise with being a 7 footer is far off. Woodbury's skills at this stage are better than that of the guy that played the post for Iowa 2 seasons ago in Basabe. Even at 6'7", Basabe often went up against bigger guys in the post and yet he still averaged double figures, regardless of what Stormin'Spank says. Basabe wasn't raw so to speak, but he definitely didn't possess the skill set that Woodbury does at this stage. Add in Woodbury's 6 inch height advantage and I think it's pretty evident that he could match what Basabe did as a freshman.

However, with a better team around him than Basabe had as a freshman, Woodbury won't be looked upon to be the same type of scoring Mel was as a undersized freshman in the post. That is why I've put my expectations of Woodbury at 8pts and 5 boards. I think that is definitely attainable.

 

[Tmoney12]

Serious question. Is Herby your father???

 

[Tmoney12]

Props to Section136 for this as he posted it in another thread


Meyers Leonard was the #6 Center and #31 overall in his class per Rivals.

He averaged 2.1 Points per Game and 1.2 Rebounds per game as a true freshman.


Here are the stats from the Top 10 Centers of last years class (would have just finished their true freshman seasons):


1- Norvel Pelle- Ineligible

2- Rakeen Christmas (Syracuse)- 2.8 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 0.8 BPG 11.5 minutes

3- Adjehi Baru (Charleston)- 7.8 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 0.7 BPG 26.7 minutes

4- Johnny O'Bryant (LSU)- 8.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 0.8 BPG 21.4 minutes

5- Chandler- Rivals had UCF commit, could not find stats for him

6- Tyler Adams (Georgetown)- 2.5 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG 6 minutes

7- Wally Kouassi (Auburn)- 1.5 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 0.6 BPG 10.2 minutes

8- Zach Price (Louisville)- 0.6 PPG, 0.8 RPG, 0.2 BPG 4.3 minutes

9- Angelo Chol (Arizona)- 2.8 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG 12.1 minutes

10- Amir Williams (Ohio State)- 1.7 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 0.8 BPG 6.7 minutes

 

[sportstalent]

Okay, I wallowed through this thread and have to say...wow to herby!

Here are my expectations for next season and the BIG:
The top half will be extremely tough, but I see Iowa getting into the top half of the conference...they do only have to move up a couple spots, not too unlikely.
It won't be easy as I expect Minnesota to be better and a tough sweep for Iowa next season. If Wisconsin can't figure out how to live without Taylor, then they are in trouble. Purdue is going to have some fall, unless their freshman PG is for real, but they are losing a lot and I don't really think they have that much coming back. The top teams will be, in no order: Indiana, OSU, MSU, Michigan (only if Burke returns)...not a whole lot different from last season.
There is a legit chance Iowa can sweep NW, PSU and Nebraska...well, they should let's put it that way. That would be 6 wins and if Iowa goes .500 in the rest that would be 12 wins in the BIG, unless my math skills have deteriorated that much.
Iowa won't be a poor in the non-con as they have in the past, if they are then throw the 12 BIG wins out the window.

Here is what I like about Iowa next season with their 2012 class: the class as a whole fills just about every void on their roster, outside of another true athletic wing type player. Iowa will have a junior class with a ton of experince, something Iowa hasn't had for some time. Don't discount the impact that Josh Oglesby will have...had Matt Gatens not been there, Oglesby would have logged a ton of minutes...this is a good thing that he didn't have too as he gained a lot of knowledge watching Gatens this season.
The freshman just have to come in and fill roles. Gesell just come in and play the game, stay under control and don't turn the ball over at a high rate. Clemmons come in and provide much needed defense, I think he and Gesell will play a lot together is Oglesby doesn't break out. Ingram, provide some much needed defense and toughness. Meyer, toughness and rebounding. Woodbury, take up space and alter shots, be a presence and rebound, notice I didn't say shot-blocker...just being there and challenging is just as important.
The other thing, I didn't mention scoring...the largest problem Iowa had in year's past was having to have freshmen score when they aren't ready. The players Iowa returns provide plenty of scoring and I anticipate Oglesby/Basabe stepping up next season as well. Lost in the Oregon game was Basabe put up over 20 points, it actually surprised me.
Iowa is going to have legitimate depth, Olaseni will be more of a contributor next season, it isn't a bad thing to have to sit and watch. Look at some of the BIG programs that bring the young players along slowly, they are the successful ones. Gesell/Woodbury may be in the lineup, but they won't feel pressure to force things as Iowa will have enough back to allow them to play the game as with all their freshman. It won't surprise me to see one or two of the freshman redshirted either, I don't know which ones, but it wouldn't shock me at all.

 

[sportstalent]

Props to Section136 for this as he posted it in another thread


Meyers Leonard was the #6 Center and #31 overall in his class per Rivals.

He averaged 2.1 Points per Game and 1.2 Rebounds per game as a true freshman.


Here are the stats from the Top 10 Centers of last years class (would have just finished their true freshman seasons):


1- Norvel Pelle- Ineligible

2- Rakeen Christmas (Syracuse)- 2.8 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 0.8 BPG 11.5 minutes

3- Adjehi Baru (Charleston)- 7.8 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 0.7 BPG 26.7 minutes

4- Johnny O'Bryant (LSU)- 8.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 0.8 BPG 21.4 minutes

5- Chandler- Rivals had UCF commit, could not find stats for him

6- Tyler Adams (Georgetown)- 2.5 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG 6 minutes

7- Wally Kouassi (Auburn)- 1.5 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 0.6 BPG 10.2 minutes

8- Zach Price (Louisville)- 0.6 PPG, 0.8 RPG, 0.2 BPG 4.3 minutes

9- Angelo Chol (Arizona)- 2.8 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG 12.1 minutes

10- Amir Williams (Ohio State)- 1.7 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 0.8 BPG 6.7 minutes

Leonard has Tisdale in front of him and when Tisdale wasn't on the floor they moved Davis to C...there were guys that were just better ahead of him, like Williams at OSU. I don't believe Chol starts either, don't that have a kid that I won't attempt to spell his name playing significant minutes ahead of him that was a top 50 recruit? Georgetown kid had players ahead of him that are just better, same with Louisville...Iowa really doesn't just like LSU and Charleston, so minutes may not be a problem for Woodbury.

What I do like is look at the two guys that averaged over 20 minutes per game and I think Pat's prediction doesn't look too bad.

 

[UncleHawk]

A way too early look at the 2012-2013 Big Ten | The Hoosier Scoop

The thing that really struck me about this article's take on Iowa is that someone outside of the program expects there to be only a 7-man rotation of quality players at best. This is a different take from various Iowa fans who think there might be other frosh or a resurgent May giving significant quality minutes on a regular basis. This really makes clear to me why Fran is going after transfer wings.

 

[Foval21]

i took it not as a 7 man rotation but rather that there are 7 men that are in the rotation that are starter quality. those would be gesell, ogelsby, marble, white, woodbury, mccabe, basabe.

iowa will have more of a 10 man rotation and i feel they will use 11 men regularly.

 

[UncleHawk]

i took it not as a 7 man rotation but rather that there are 7 men that are in the rotation that are starter quality. those would be gesell, ogelsby, marble, white, woodbury, mccabe, basabe.

iowa will have more of a 10 man rotation and i feel they will use 11 men regularly.

You're saying the same thing but putting a different spin on it. Let's put it this way: Fran obviously feels that he needs 8 men in the rotation that are of "starter quality". Otherwise, he wouldn't be pursuing transfer wing players so strongly this spring.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

Props to Section136 for this as he posted it in another thread


Meyers Leonard was the #6 Center and #31 overall in his class per Rivals.

He averaged 2.1 Points per Game and 1.2 Rebounds per game as a true freshman.


Here are the stats from the Top 10 Centers of last years class (would have just finished their true freshman seasons):


1- Norvel Pelle- Ineligible

2- Rakeen Christmas (Syracuse)- 2.8 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 0.8 BPG 11.5 minutes

3- Adjehi Baru (Charleston)- 7.8 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 0.7 BPG 26.7 minutes

4- Johnny O'Bryant (LSU)- 8.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 0.8 BPG 21.4 minutes

5- Chandler- Rivals had UCF commit, could not find stats for him

6- Tyler Adams (Georgetown)- 2.5 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG 6 minutes

7- Wally Kouassi (Auburn)- 1.5 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 0.6 BPG 10.2 minutes

8- Zach Price (Louisville)- 0.6 PPG, 0.8 RPG, 0.2 BPG 4.3 minutes

9- Angelo Chol (Arizona)- 2.8 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG 12.1 minutes

10- Amir Williams (Ohio State)- 1.7 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 0.8 BPG 6.7 minutes

And I expect Woodbury to put up similar numbers as O'Bryant did from LSU, expect I think he logs more than 21 minutes a game.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

Serious question. Is Herby your father???

No, but is Lickliter your's. You seem to lack confidence in your players.

 

[Tmoney12]

So, realistic expectations= Lack of confidence???? Alright, and you expect Woody to play more then half the game? Interesting.

 

[ssckelley]

No, but is Lickliter your's. You seem to lack confidence in your players.

Wow, who has said this before?

 

[AZHAWKFAN1]

For those who think Woodbury plays 30 mpg, remember coach Caff plays up tempo. It's one thing to walk up and down court and quite another to run!!!

 

[UncleHawk]

For those who think Woodbury plays 30 mpg, remember coach Caff plays up tempo. It's one thing to walk up and down court and quite another to run!!!

I haven't read anyone here saying Woody's going to average 30mpg. 20-25 is certainly possible at the end of year stats. But I think Fran will 'try' to play him 20 this fall and bit more as he gets his feet wet this year.

 

[herbyhawk]

And I expect Woodbury to put up similar numbers as O'Bryant did from LSU, expect I think he logs more than 21 minutes a game.

forget it Pat, these people are actaually happy as hEll Olaseni had no real success, and nobody has a right to be excited or even have expectation for a player, of which they do not ok.
of the players that were listed only 2 had nobody in front of them and that disregard their success as a fluke. because bigs just can't succeed without a year or 2 without developing, unless they go to OSU, MSU OR Indiana, then they are lottery picks.
same with Gesell no way can he compete with the likes of Burke.

 

[herbyhawk]

as for the author of that piece he disregards players like Clemmons, Meyer and Ingram as not being quality players as they are just 2* players on ESPN, they will be better than advertised, especially Clemmons, the Michigan people like him alot better than ESPN people do, and the vid's of Meyer are very entertaining. not many vid's on Ingram to get a idea. so like i said it was like reading a comic book, especially the write up on Indiana, high end of Olideapo scoring 20 ppg next season. yeah right not with Zeller coming back

 

[Foval21]

i expect gesell to have a good yr.

i expect woodbury to have a good yr.

i expect all our recruits to have a good yr.

i expect us to make the ncaa tourney and finish in the top half of the big 10.

i just think it is ignorant to expect to frosh to come in and automatically play like zeller and burke because of an arbitrary number like a recruit ranking.

i am not happy that gabe didnt play much or put up big numbers as obviously we need more at the post position since we only had 3 we could trust. i just felt that anyone who thought a kid only playing his 4th yr of organized basketball would come in and put up 8 pts and 10 rebs a game was obviously showing how ignorant they were about college basketball.

how is trying to keep expectations reasonable an indictment that you dont believe in the team. i love iowa sports...in fact my father started the voice of the hawkeyes so it is how i grew up. at the same time i am a coach and he was a coach so i understand you set goals (like the ones gesell and woodbury did) but you must be realistic about the odds of things happening.

gesell and woodbury both said they expect to make the tourney and a final four. nowhere have i heard anything like woodbury thinking he can block 5 shots per game...that is ludacris. those players and the other recruits have obtainable goals and that is why they are successful. saying a frosh will automatically be as good as trey burke is ignorant. could he? yes. but should we expect it? no.

 

[Foval21]

as for the author of that piece he disregards players like Clemmons, Meyer and Ingram as not being quality players as they are just 2* players on ESPN, they will be better than advertised, especially Clemmons, the Michigan people like him alot better than ESPN people do, and the vid's of Meyer are very entertaining. not many vid's on Ingram to get a idea. so like i said it was like reading a comic book, especially the write up on Indiana, high end of Olideapo scoring 20 ppg next season. yeah right not with Zeller coming back

i actually agree with this because i dont even feel it is guaranteed that gesell starts over clemmons. i think it will be on of the best battles on the team and i believe they will basically split time. i think gesell will edge clemmons because i believe he is a better shooter and we need more shooters to take pressure off of ogelsby.

 

[AZHAWKFAN1]

i expect gesell to have a good yr.

i expect woodbury to have a good yr.

i expect all our recruits to have a good yr.

i expect us to make the ncaa tourney and finish in the top half of the big 10.

i just think it is ignorant to expect to frosh to come in and automatically play like zeller and burke because of an arbitrary number like a recruit ranking.

i am not happy that gabe didnt play much or put up big numbers as obviously we need more at the post position since we only had 3 we could trust. i just felt that anyone who thought a kid only playing his 4th yr of organized basketball would come in and put up 8 pts and 10 rebs a game was obviously showing how ignorant they were about college basketball.

how is trying to keep expectations reasonable an indictment that you dont believe in the team. i love iowa sports...in fact my father started the voice of the hawkeyes so it is how i grew up. at the same time i am a coach and he was a coach so i understand you set goals (like the ones gesell and woodbury did) but you must be realistic about the odds of things happening.

gesell and woodbury both said they expect to make the tourney and a final four. nowhere have i heard anything like woodbury thinking he can block 5 shots per game...that is ludacris. those players and the other recruits have obtainable goals and that is why they are successful. saying a frosh will automatically be as good as trey burke is ignorant. could he? yes. but should we expect it? no.

Absolutly nailed it!!!!!

 

[Tmoney12]

i expect gesell to have a good yr. i expect woodbury to have a good yr. i expect all our recruits to have a good yr. i expect us to make the ncaa tourney and finish in the top half of the big 10. i just think it is ignorant to expect to frosh to come in and automatically play like zeller and burke because of an arbitrary number like a recruit ranking. i am not happy that gabe didnt play much or put up big numbers as obviously we need more at the post position since we only had 3 we could trust. i just felt that anyone who thought a kid only playing his 4th yr of organized basketball would come in and put up 8 pts and 10 rebs a game was obviously showing how ignorant they were about college basketball. how is trying to keep expectations reasonable an indictment that you dont believe in the team. i love iowa sports...in fact my father started the voice of the hawkeyes so it is how i grew up. at the same time i am a coach and he was a coach so i understand you set goals (like the ones gesell and woodbury did) but you must be realistic about the odds of things happening. gesell and woodbury both said they expect to make the tourney and a final four. nowhere have i heard anything like woodbury thinking he can block 5 shots per game...that is ludacris. those players and the other recruits have obtainable goals and that is why they are successful. saying a frosh will automatically be as good as trey burke is ignorant. could he? yes. but should we expect it? no.

Absolutly nailed it!!!!!

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