Hawkeye11en1
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Comic book? Yeah, another reason why I can't take anything you type seriously.
Good look at what the Big Ten may resemble next season
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Comic book? Yeah, another reason why I can't take anything you type seriously.
AZHAWKFAN1
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Herby, you made a great post then follow it up with that rant. Woodbury and Gesell don't come from an area that has a large population. Their competition wasn't that great. He isn't saying they are not any good!!!!
Tmoney12
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If you think MG is gonna have the season Trey had you are on crack and giving him way to high of expectations. Centers normally don't do sh!t there freshman year. Doubt Woody is any better.
I think we NIT it one more time and then back to the Big Dance.
Id love nothing more then Mike and Adam to make me eat crow. I would actually admit I am wrong instead of trying to attack others.
CHawk
I think we NIT it one more time and then back to the Big Dance.
Id love nothing more then Mike and Adam to make me eat crow. I would actually admit I am wrong instead of trying to attack others.
CHawk
both kids got their high ratings by playing against top talent in the AAU summer events not what they accomplished in HS, that's the only point i am trying to make. these people who come up with crap comment about he didn't play in Chicago or NY are just pure BS
did Barnes play in Chicago or NY- NO he played in little ol Iowa, same with Collison, Hinrich, Lafrentz and now Paige who is rated as the #1 pg in the country. i forgot CR. DM are now part of Chicago and NY. again the poor little Iowa arguement is getting tiresome and very old
PatrickAdamovicz
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I agree with this. Funny thing is that North Carolina is without a big next year. They are losing Henson and Zeller for next year. They do bring in a 4* center next year that is rated 19 spots below Woodbury, but some people will hold the North Carolina center in higher regard than Woodbury.
I've already heard the argument that North Carolina will just reload with this new 4* center coming in. Funny thing is when that argument is switched to Woodbury you read nothing but Hawkeye fans saying things like, don't expect much, he's RAW, etc... All BS.
Woodbury and Gesell are BIG TIME players and they will make a nice impact to a roster that has a Freshman All American in White, a very good shooter in Oglesby, a star on the rise in Marble and some other good recruits coming in as well. IMO, Iowa will finish in the top half of the league next year.
thx, that is why i asked the why, but all i get is they play in Iowa, and against poor competition, and even at that they can't get it straight as to where Gesell is from.
Lafrentz wasn't even from one of the large class schools in Iowa and did just fine straight out of HS for Roy Williams
PatrickAdamovicz
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I'm reading things about Trey Burke vs Mike Gesell and people saying not to expect the same? Really? Why? Those same people probably said the same garbage about Aaron White at this time last year as well. As for rankings, some of you need to understand how the rankings are done. They are not done because of local play. Woodbury and Gesell didn't receive their rankings as a result of playing local Nebraska and Iowa teams. Not even close. They got their rankings from where ALL coaches judge talent and that is on the AAU circuit where you are playing against the kids from the Chicago's and N.Y.'s of the world. It's the best of the best. Both Gesell and Woodbury played against those teams in national tournaments and performed extremely well. That's where the rankings come from.
obviously i the incoming frosh could be better than rated such as white this yr. but burke is already a nba talent. gesell will be good but he is probably not going to be a one and done talent like burke. when you expect illogical things to happen (such as expectations gabe olesani having 8 ppg and 10 rpg and 4 bpg) then players disappoint and you look stupid. it is like the people that expected harrison barnes to be an all-american as a frosh then when he struggled a little feel like he is a bust. most freshmen whether highly rated or not struggle during their frosh yr (some more than others).
i expect the players to be good and help the team be in the ncaa tourney. but i am not expecting any of them to be 1 and done type talents because we havent typically gotten those types of players. maybe someday we will but not right now. maybe woodbury is the next zeller but he could just as easily be the next leonard. gesell could be the next burk but he could be like the pg at unc that marshall replaced last yr (dont even remember his name).
i would prefer to be wrong about this. but i dont want to be over zealous because i dont want to be disappointed in players that work their *** off for my favorite college basketball team.
i expect the players to be good and help the team be in the ncaa tourney. but i am not expecting any of them to be 1 and done type talents because we havent typically gotten those types of players. maybe someday we will but not right now. maybe woodbury is the next zeller but he could just as easily be the next leonard. gesell could be the next burk but he could be like the pg at unc that marshall replaced last yr (dont even remember his name).
i would prefer to be wrong about this. but i dont want to be over zealous because i dont want to be disappointed in players that work their *** off for my favorite college basketball team.
Tmoney12
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Spot on sir.
WAS burke a preseason NBA talent no. as for my expectation for Gesell, there is a very big reason to have that, as a soph and jr he was the Gatorade player of the year in Nebraska and will more than likely earn that honnor for a 3rd time. not to mention the Mr. BB in Nebraska. not even Andre Woolridge receive that honor of Gatorade player of the year in Nebrska more than once and he was a Top 40 kid comming out of HS ranked #2 pg behind #1 Jason Kidd. the Gatorade player of the year award are not handed out like jelly beans.
Burke maybe good but i douby he is NBA good, people talk but very rarely do things turn out when it comes to the NBA
so your arguement about him being talked about for the NBA is nothing more than talk.
Burke walked into the perfect situation in Michigan, their starting pg left for the NBA, and Michigan is a perimeter oriented team with few outside scorers, Had Morris not left early Burke would have been a after thought on the bench,
Gesell is walking into this same type of situation.
will Gesell avg 19 ppg i doubt it as he won't have too, Iowa has 6 out of the top 8 scorers with Marble, White being the the top 2 returning scorers, Basabe, McCabe, Oglesby and May having started at some point in their career, depth for a change is not going to be a issue, nor will the pressure of having to carry a team be there.
my original expectation for Gesell is for him to replace Cartwright and his #'s who by the way was #7 in scoring for the team,
Gesell is also a better shooter and credited with being very solid on defense, being compared to Scott Skiles as having that same hard as nails demeanor, but you keep doubting about his ability and tempering your expectation. I think White more than proves Frans ability to judge talent
Burke maybe good but i douby he is NBA good, people talk but very rarely do things turn out when it comes to the NBA
so your arguement about him being talked about for the NBA is nothing more than talk.
Burke walked into the perfect situation in Michigan, their starting pg left for the NBA, and Michigan is a perimeter oriented team with few outside scorers, Had Morris not left early Burke would have been a after thought on the bench,
Gesell is walking into this same type of situation.
will Gesell avg 19 ppg i doubt it as he won't have too, Iowa has 6 out of the top 8 scorers with Marble, White being the the top 2 returning scorers, Basabe, McCabe, Oglesby and May having started at some point in their career, depth for a change is not going to be a issue, nor will the pressure of having to carry a team be there.
my original expectation for Gesell is for him to replace Cartwright and his #'s who by the way was #7 in scoring for the team,
Gesell is also a better shooter and credited with being very solid on defense, being compared to Scott Skiles as having that same hard as nails demeanor, but you keep doubting about his ability and tempering your expectation. I think White more than proves Frans ability to judge talent
as for my rant i am and many others are excited for next season to get here, and i am tired of people saying "don't expect this or don't expect that "
and the reason being he is not from Chicago or he is not from NY. the kid is just from POOR Iowa that has little to no talent and doesn't play against anybody.
and the reason being he is not from Chicago or he is not from NY. the kid is just from POOR Iowa that has little to no talent and doesn't play against anybody.
PatrickAdamovicz
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I'm with Herby on this. Our fanbase imo, is one of the worst at taking our recruits down to another level, when if they had attended another school, say like North Carolina in this instance, would be ranting and raving about how great Woodbury is going to be. Same with Gesell. Here is a kid that is a top 100 recruit, yet since he's going to Iowa, our own fans try to peg him down a notch, but if he was headed to Stanford, the talk would have been, "boy we missed out on another game changer".
I wouldn't doubt that when Iowa gets back into grabbing some Mcdonalds All Americans and they will, Iowa fans will say that they are probably on the low end of the Mcdonalds All American team and probably didn't deserve to be there.
I wouldn't doubt that when Iowa gets back into grabbing some Mcdonalds All Americans and they will, Iowa fans will say that they are probably on the low end of the Mcdonalds All American team and probably didn't deserve to be there.
add to that those same fans that drag the kids down are the 1st ones to start fire the coach because he is not getting us to the next level or the Coach can't recruit or a few other rants, all i hear is the negativety out of people
1 top 100 player, a top 50 player, and a returning player that made the Freshmen AA team and we're told to hope for at best is a 6th or worse finish. give me a f'n break
1 top 100 player, a top 50 player, and a returning player that made the Freshmen AA team and we're told to hope for at best is a 6th or worse finish. give me a f'n break
How many D-1 basketball payers each year in Iowa? Around 10 maybe?
In larger cities, you can have 10 D-1 players in a HS conference. These 4 star players go up against other D-1 players every week. Did Woodbury face a D-1 center all year?
I played HS basketball in Iowa and College Bball in Florida. At 18 I quickly realized the athletic talent disparities.
Iowa does produce great college players, about 10 every 15 years.
am i really? i am stating facts about some of the posters on here
Tmoney12
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While lumping everyone that disagrees with you into the same pot. You would think after your Gabe perdictions AND the fact you downgraded the sh!t outta Woodbury last off season you would slow down. But you don't...
Also you said you expect Gesell to replicate Bryce's numbers then go on a rant about me and Foval downgrading his talents, not saying he will be as good as Burke?? Contradict yourself much??? Silly question, my bad.
