Good look at what the Big Ten may resemble next season

as for my #'s on Olaseni how hard is it tp get 8 pts. 1 dunk 1 putback 1 true shot and 2 ft's that's 8 pts there, as for the rebounds 10 for a 6'10 kid with a reach of a 7'2 player how hard is that to get, 5 offensive and 5 defensive over the course of 20-25 minutes.
in his best game where he got 12 minutes he ended up with
8 pts
5 rbs
1 blk
not bad and over the course of the season it all averages out he would struggle in games ans have good games, same as White did.
as for Burke what about his background showed you that he would have the season he would, i didn't see it
he was lower rated not by much but there was/is no indication that he would have the stats he did,
White showed promise in what he did in the Ohio/ Kentucky all star game by getting the MVP but there was nothing to show he would come close to Freshmen AA status,
oh by the way Burke played in that same game and white outplayed him as well to get that honor.
THE mighty Burke in no way showed he was a superstud, that some try to make him out to be,
Iuse burk as a measuring stick to show the POTENTIAL of Gesell, nothing more.
my other point on Gesell is that with other players of being better than advertised the pressure of needing to match those #'s will NOT be needed.
White a Freshmen AA will and should improve, Marble also should and will improve, those 2 are the returning top 2 scorers, and has been stated before 5 of the scorers returning avg'd 6.4 pts or more.
 
imported_Tmoney12 said:
Puff,puff pass Herb
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GTH i stated the facts, nothing more to bad you can't accept that
tell you what go the Michigan board where can brag about how good Burke is and how bad Gesell will be.
and must be the biggest non supporters i have seen and probably had the biggest enjoyment of Olaseni not succeeding
 
It really is ok to admit when your wrong. Trust me it is, I do it daily. Makes for a happier life. Try it sometime Drag.
 
i have no reason to be wrong about anything, as you try to put it. i stated a opinion of what a kid might do, i never stated as fact that Gabe would do it it.
just like my opinion of Gesell starting from day one and having 8 ppg, 4 apg, 2 rpg and 1 steal with a high of no mre than 3 t/o pg. are just that a opinion of how Gesell will perform. this neither a knock nor unreal expectation of the kid.
Unreal expectation are as follows;
25 ppg
10 apg
8 rpg
5 spd
0 topg
20 triple dbls
and end up the #1 pick in the NBA draft
now those are unrealistic expectations,
"butwait for it" i can feal it coming that i will be accused as stating he will do this as fact.
which is the way it works on this board.
as for my opinion of wht kind of #'s Woodbury has are as follows;
7-8 ppg
6-7 rbp
1 apg
1.5 bpg
and hopefully no more than 3 topg
there's some monsters #'s to have expectation for, and these are my OPINIONS, but i am finding out i have no right to a OPINION
 
Your MG predictions aren't crazy. But make no sense when all you do is compare him to Burke 14x a day. Can't have it both ways
 
why does Gesell have to score 14 ppg, who is going to slip that will require Gesell to need those #'s, White? Marble?, maybe Basabe and McCabe will leave or go to the end of the bench. my #'s are more along the lines of what he will "HAVE" to do to make this team a winner, not what he "HAS"to do. this upcoming team has more options to score so the scoring will come from more than just one player having to do the scoring.
Marble 11.5 increase of just 15% to a avg of 13.25 ppg
White 11.1 15% to 12.75 ppg
Basabe 8.2 15% to 9.4 ppg
McCabe 7.8 15% to 8.97 ppg
Oglesby 6.4 15% to 7.36 ppg
May 4.3 ppg 15% to 4.9 ppg
that's a starting total of 56.6 ppg to get back up to the 77.4 ppg the team avg'd last season. off that total we lost Gatens at 15.2 ppg and Cartwright at 6.0 ppg and Brommer at 1.4 and Archie at 1.3 ppg. that's 20.8 ppg to be spread out over 5 newcomers not to mention What Gabe will ad as he ended up with a avg of 1.4
we have very solid #'s to start with
 
so will gesell be like burke or put up 8 pts, 4 assts, and those stats you put up. i have never stated burke is a god but to say gesell will play as well as burke did is asinine.

no one felt that burke would do what he did this yr. so why should we expect gesell to do it? it isnt about thinking gesell is bad or burke is a god. it is about your comparisons because you saying he will do what burke did or what your stats say because they are different.

for my money the best pg in the big 10 is craft.

one more time for the bad reader's. pick 1 of the 2.

1) gesell will be the next burke.

2) gesell will score 8pts and have 4 asst and those other stats.

pick because they are different as burke had better numbers.
 
Foval21 said:
so will gesell be like burke or put up 8 pts, 4 assts, and those stats you put up. i have never stated burke is a god but to say gesell will play as well as burke did is asinine.

no one felt that burke would do what he did this yr. so why should we expect gesell to do it? it isnt about thinking gesell is bad or burke is a god. it is about your comparisons because you saying he will do what burke did or what your stats say because they are different.

for my money the best pg in the big 10 is craft.

one more time for the bad reader's. pick 1 of the 2.

1) gesell will be the next burke.

2) gesell will score 8pts and have 4 asst and those other stats.

pick because they are different as burke had better numbers.
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The only other scorer in the line-up with Burke was Hardaway this year. That's why he had numbers. He had to. It's also why MI didn't do as well as some thought they might. As a frosh, Gesell won't score as much as Burke did but he might have better assist numbers as a frosh than Burke did because he'll be starting beside Marble, White, Woodbury, and another shooter/scorer. If he wasn't starting beside some of those scorers, he might score as much or more than Burke but the team wouldn't do as well. I don't want to puff up incoming players with unrealistic expectations but I'm not going to put them down just because they're coming to Iowa. That thinking has been cultivated on Iowa message boards for the last 10+ years. Gesell is a deserved 4* player. We've all seen him on film. He's not superman but he's going to be a BiG player as a freshman. Face it. Good things are coming to Iowa BB.
 
then you answer why Gesell has to score more than BURKE to prove he is better. why is that? my prediction of #'s are just that a prediction. as i expect the whole team to improve. on their #'s for Gesell to score as many as Burke the Iowa team scoring avg has go up to over 80+ points pg. and as most of you tell me it will never happen, ponts are both available and limited
Burke at 14.8 ppg and Hardaway at 14.6 ppg were the only 2 on the Michigan team to avg dbl figures, this show that he was called upon to score more than Gesell will be. why is that so hard to understand. being called upon to score to make the team better than being a better overall point guard that gets assists and rebounds and defends.. i would like tp know why scoring is the only barometer for how good a player is.
by this if Gesell does not get 16 or more ppg he is not very good nor is he as good as Burke.
and who would you compare Gesell to to base your #'s on or opinion?
 
UncleHawk said:
Foval21 said:
so will gesell be like burke or put up 8 pts, 4 assts, and those stats you put up. i have never stated burke is a god but to say gesell will play as well as burke did is asinine.no one felt that burke would do what he did this yr. so why should we expect gesell to do it? it isnt about thinking gesell is bad or burke is a god. it is about your comparisons because you saying he will do what burke did or what your stats say because they are different.for my money the best pg in the big 10 is craft.one more time for the bad reader's. pick 1 of the 2.1) gesell will be the next burke.2) gesell will score 8pts and have 4 asst and those other stats.pick because they are different as burke had better numbers.
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The only other scorer in the line-up with Burke was Hardaway this year. That's why he had numbers. He had to. It's also why MI didn't do as well as some thought they might. As a frosh, Gesell won't score as much as Burke did but he might have better assist numbers as a frosh than Burke did because he'll be starting beside Marble, White, Woodbury, and another shooter/scorer. If he wasn't starting beside some of those scorers, he might score as much or more than Burke but the team wouldn't do as well. I don't want to puff up incoming players with unrealistic expectations but I'm not going to put them down just because they're coming to Iowa. That thinking has been cultivated on Iowa message boards for the last 10 years. Gesell is a deserved 4* player. We've all seen him on film. He's not superman but he's going to be a BiG player as a freshman. Face it. Good things are coming to Iowa BB.
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Good things are coming??? I think were already there.
 
herbyhawk said:
as for the author of that piece he disregards players like Clemmons, Meyer and Ingram as not being quality players as they are just 2* players on ESPN, they will be better than advertised, especially Clemmons, the Michigan people like him alot better than ESPN people do, and the vid's of Meyer are very entertaining. not many vid's on Ingram to get a idea. so like i said it was like reading a comic book, especially the write up on Indiana, high end of Olideapo scoring 20 ppg next season. yeah right not with Zeller coming back
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Really? This is just plum ignorant...sorry man. You look at Iowa's roster and he has two freshman in the starting line up and two Jr's as x-factors.

So the author took 5 proven college players and the most proven HS school players and mentioned them. I don't believe the author mentioned more than 3 x-factors on any one team, other than Indiana which you should expect.

Also, where does it say Oladipo will average 20 ppg, do you dream much?

You should quit while you are ahead, unless you want to banned again...
 
another factor to consider is that Burke avg 36.1 minutes a game to get those #'s. and with Clemmon to back up Gesell he won't come close to those # of minutes nor will he have to, its amazing how you twist my comparisions into somethig that is not there.
to me a player that gets 36.1 minutes pg only avg's a little over 14 ppg, is not NBA material,. nor is he as good as people make him out to be. hes good but not NBA good, just like Basabe teams were not prepared for him next season we shall see how he fares,
the same can be said of White will he have the same success he did this year. one can hope, we saw Marble improve
 
sportstalent said:
Really? This is just plum ignorant...sorry man. You look at Iowa's roster and he has two freshman in the starting line up and two Jr's as x-factors.

So the author took 5 proven college players and the most proven HS school players and mentioned them. I don't believe the author mentioned more than 3 x-factors on any one team, other than Indiana which you should expect.

Also, where does it say Oladipo will average 20 ppg, do you dream much?

You should quit while you are ahead, unless you want to banned again...
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it was in that production of a mickey mouse prediction by the Indiana writer that started this whole thread
 
and swhy should i be banned for stating facts that you don't approve of, and as for incoming players how is it they can come in and produce right away but not Iowa players?
 
herbyhawk said:
it was in that production of a mickey mouse prediction by the Indiana writer that started this whole thread
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I am going to pull a Herby...where does it say that?

Maybe you called the author and talked to him, just pull the line out of the article where it says that...
 
herbyhawk said:
it was in that production of a mickey mouse prediction by the Indiana writer that started this whole thread
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I will help you out here is the Indiana write up:

Projected starting lineup
C: Cody Zeller*
PF: Christian Watford*
SF: Will Sheehey
SG: Victor Oladipo
PG: Jordan Hulls
*Could leave for NBA Draft, but likely not
X-Factors: Yogi Ferrell, Maurice Creek, Hanner Perea, Jeremy Hollowell
Best case scenario: The Hoosiers deal well with the now-large target on their back, as they should come in as one of the favorites in the Big Ten, and win some big games early, including a matchup with Kentucky in Lexington. Yogi Ferrell turns out to be the driving, game-changing point guard Indiana has coveted, and he makes his way into the starting lineup soon after the season begins. Oladipo develops a decent jump shot and becomes one of the more dangerous players in the country. Zeller proves that he’s an All-American at center and improves on his rebounding, tallying a near-double-double night in and night out. The team’s young players add just enough off the bench that IU wins a Big Ten title and earns a No. 1/2 seed in the Big Dance.
Worst case scenario: The loss of IU’s senior nucleus proves to be a harder transition than anyone would’ve hoped for. Christian Watford leaves early for the NBA, and the Hoosiers have to force a raw Hanner Perea into the starting lineup from Day 1, in which he struggles from the get-go. Chemistry issues start to affect the team’s leadership base, and Oladipo/Sheehey don’t progress much from Year 2 to Year 3, leaving the Hoosiers with pretty much the same, relatively inconsistent squad we saw in stretches during this past regular season. They earn a No. 5 seed in the NCAA Tournament and are upset in the first round.

Who is Mickey Mouse?
 
you bring the original prediction up of the BT since i can't find the topic and i will try to highlight the line about Olideapo. like i said his prediction of the BT will look like read like a comic book or something out of fantisey land
 
herbyhawk said:
and swhy should i be banned for stating facts that you don't approve of, and as for incoming players how is it they can come in and produce right away but not Iowa players?
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When people disagree with you; nothing but insults in return...

It would be nice to see facts.

I don't agree with the expectations that some have here for Gesell and Woodbury, but that is their opinion...no need to constantly attack people for it.

For the first time in a while I think Iowa's freshman that will start won't have to be relied upon and be main contributors. This will allow them to come in and just play ball.

As for people saying there could be a lot of competition on who starts at PG, I don't agree. Having seen Clemmons in person and looking at his stats...he does take a lot of risk and turns the ball over at times. In the game I watched him, he had 3 to's in the first two minutes of the game, just by making bad choices. He played better as the game went along...he would be great to bring off the bench to get a feel for the game. Gesell starts no question in my mind, but I see both he and Clemmons playing a lot together when Iowa chooses to go small.
 
either way he still puts Olideapo into the status of being the most dangerous player in the country and has a pg leading them to a BTT and a #1 or 2 seed in the BT, yeah right. that's right out of a comic book or fantasy land out look on a best case scenario and he has Iowa as a afterthought
 
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