Get a pt. Guard

[Knight78]

Not at all, Mike was a much better PG last year than Jordan is this year

Then answer this: If the game is on the line (let's say something like 8 seconds on the clock), we're up 1 or 2 points and our PG is fouled... who do you want on the line: MG or JB?

Every single time, I'll take JB. The numbers don't lie. I'm not anti-MG, but you cannot dispute that JB will make more FT's than MG - especially in the clutch.

And the argument here is NOT about overall play, as you tried to steer it to, but it's about FT in the clutch.

 

[Hawk5656]

Then answer this: If the game is on the line (let's say something like 8 seconds on the clock), we're up 1 or 2 points and our PG is fouled... who do you want on the line: MG or JB?

Every single time, I'll take JB. The numbers don't lie. I'm not anti-MG, but you cannot dispute that JB will make more FT's than MG - especially in the clutch.

And the argument here is NOT about overall play, as you tried to steer it to, but it's about FT in the clutch.

He just missed two FT's in the clutch on Saturday. Being able to make free throws doesn't determine how good you are, Mike last year was a much better overall player than our PG's have been this year

 

[Knight78]

He just missed two FT's in the clutch on Saturday. Being able to make free throws doesn't determine how good you are, Mike last year was a much better overall player than our PG's have been this year

As I said, the argument is NOT about who is a better overall player. It's about who is more clutch at the FT line. Can you get that? Or do I have to say it again?

The argument is NOT about who is a better overall player. It's about who is more clutch at the FT line.

One of these days, you will respond to questions in the thread and NOT try to steer the discussion to another topic. Until then.....

 

[Hawk5656]

As I said, the argument is NOT about who is a better overall player. It's about who is more clutch at the FT line. Can you get that? Or do I have to say it again?

The argument is NOT about who is a better overall player. It's about who is more clutch at the FT line.

One of these days, you will respond to questions in the thread and NOT try to steer the discussion to another topic. Until then.....

I don't know, Bohannon didn't really have any clutch opportunities last night, I think we were up at least 5+ points both times he went to the line. He had two clutch free throws against Illinois and missed them both

 

[deanvogs]

You said yesterday we're struggling at the PG position and now you don't want to upgrade it? Haha OK. I never heard you say we were struggling at any other position besides the PG position so I was addressing our biggest need

We have struggles all over the court, that is why we are not anything near a NCAA team, you don't understand this?

-Our PG is limited athletically and struggles defensively
-Our SG is limited defensively and plays poor perimeter D
-Moss is inconsistent as all get out (bet you wished you didn't drop that Moss troll, you could be hitting that hard now)
-Ellingson can't defend, and he wouldn't be a 50% shooter if he had to hoist up more shots, more contested shots.
-Cook can't defend, period, not one little bit, he is also a TO machine
-Pemsl is struggling to finish at the rim right now, he is also very poor defensively
-Wagner is very limited offensively and isn't a good shooter
-Uhl refuses to play big down low, wants to pretend he is a perimeter player
-Kreiner is young and inconsistent, and also need to improve defensively

Our whole team has weaknesses, most of it defensively. It doesn't mean some can't improve, they are all young.

We absolutely need a PG who can defend. Williams could be that guy, but he has been too sloppy with the ball all year long, and hasn't gotten on the court much. We absolutely need a big man who can defend, hopefully Garza can give us an inside presence, and hopefully he can defend. If he can't it is going to be more of the same with our interior defense. The rest of our perimeter D is porous as well. Ellingson can't defend, Moss is ok, but I have no clue if Dailey or Connor can defend on the perimeter.

You have no interest in looking at the team and actually talking about it. You are interested in your troll, that is it, so excuse everyone around here when we dump on your shitty trolling ass all the time.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I'm also bored with so many regurgitating the media narrative, "It's all about the guards ..."
As posted above, Iowa's problem is not the back court, it's the lack of a powerful front court.

They have about 4 guys who are combo PG / SG who can adequately run the "point" - JoBo and CW being #1 and #2, depending on the opponent and performance. Fran realizes this and is finally starting to interchange them in appropriate situations. They do not need any more, nor any better "point guards" than what they already have.

As Melrose referenced, this is the position where Fran tends to overload. Partly by design (his "comfort" position of expertise and it fits his strategy), partly by default (he misses out on so many true, quality 4's & 5's that he takes the next best guys, who happen to be SG or combos.)

Again, I repeat, IOWA'S BIGGEST NEED IS A TRUE POST ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR!!!! This is where they've been getting destroyed, all season -- terrible interior defense, no one to "own" the lane and protect the rim, constantly giving up drives, drop-steps and dunks, weak rebounding position and allowing 2nd chance points.

Garza is a great start, at 6'11" & 230 (would like to see him get to 250). I just hope he lives up to his 4* billing and, more importantly, comes in with an "inside presence" that bolsters the grit of this team. (I fear he's a bit more face-up than back-to.)

I'll be thrilled -- and this team will top 20 wins without breaking a sweat -- if he + Pemsl + Cook can generate 30 pts / 20 boards every night, keep opponents offensive rebounds to < 8 (currently at 11.5) restore Iowa's rebound margin to the >+3 (currently -0.7) and get their defensive rebounding % to >75% (currently at 69%).

Out of 351 D-1 teams, Iowa is ranked in the 300's in these key statistics. Meanwhile, they're #49 in A/TO, #8 in total assists/game, #14 in assists / basket, and, while their raw turnovers are high (13.8 / game), they are above average (#141) in turnovers/possession.

For the last time ... Iowa has enough decent guards and 2 that will be good to very good. They do not need any more guards. They need more 4's and 5's, with toughness, attitude and 10 / 10 ability.

I agree with most of your post.

I do think our guards have let us down defensively this year. Jok and JBo both play about 30 minutes a game and neither of them have the lateral quickness to keep guards in front of them. That puts a lot of pressure on your bigs.

After Jok graduates I think by default our perimeter D will improve with increased minutes for Moss, Williams, and maybe Dailey. Replacing Jok's offense may be tough but we have some options.

But I totally agree with the lack of true rim protector this year and the lack of rebounding being a huge problem. Nobody could have predicted that Cook would be this bad defensively and rebounding. Heck IIRC Fran said at the B1G media days that he expected Cook to average near 10 rebounds a game. I'm hoping Garza comes in and is good enough to start next year and provide us some rim protection and rebounding. Even if he is more of a face up player offensively I think we have plenty of low post scoring options with Cook, Pemsl, and Kriener. Way more than I've seen an Iowa team have in some time. I also expect our current bigs to improve their defense and rebounding next year.

That's why I'm so bullish on the future of Iowa hoops.

 

[Hawk5656]

We have struggles all over the court, that is why we are not anything near a NCAA team, you don't understand this?

-Our PG is limited athletically and struggles defensively
-Our SG is limited defensively and plays poor perimeter D
-Moss is inconsistent as all get out (bet you wished you didn't drop that Moss troll, you could be hitting that hard now)
-Ellingson can't defend, and he wouldn't be a 50% shooter if he had to hoist up more shots, more contested shots.
-Cook can't defend, period, not one little bit, he is also a TO machine
-Pemsl is struggling to finish at the rim right now, he is also very poor defensively
-Wagner is very limited offensively and isn't a good shooter
-Uhl refuses to play big down low, wants to pretend he is a perimeter player
-Kreiner is young and inconsistent, and also need to improve defensively

Our whole team has weaknesses, most of it defensively. It doesn't mean some can't improve, they are all young.

We absolutely need a PG who can defend. Williams could be that guy, but he has been too sloppy with the ball all year long, and hasn't gotten on the court much. We absolutely need a big man who can defend, hopefully Garza can give us an inside presence, and hopefully he can defend. If he can't it is going to be more of the same with our interior defense. The rest of our perimeter D is porous as well. Ellingson can't defend, Moss is ok, but I have no clue if Dailey or Connor can defend on the perimeter.

You have no interest in looking at the team and actually talking about it. You are interested in your troll, that is it, so excuse everyone around here when we dump on your shitty trolling ass all the time.

What one position do we struggle with the most this year? I say PG, I'm interested in your thoughts

 

[Knight78]

Our guards is our main problem. Our perimeter defense is the worst I think I've ever watched. Even Moss is getting roasted as of late and Bohannon and Jok are really bad defenders

So when our guards get burned and there's no one to defend at the rim (like Gabe, Woody, Mel, etc) that's the fault of the guards? Or is that a product of our current bigs being young and not being used to protecting the rim?

The best defensive guards at any level have a rim protector so if they do take a chance and get burned, their failed chance doesn't turn into points. There's more to it than just a good rim protector as there also needs to be inside defensive rotations (which again are hard to teach and young players take a while to "get it") and the guard who got beat needs to know what to do instead of just stand there. Even a dominant point guard has to have at least a serviceable rim defender to cover defensive mistakes that will be made.

 

[Hawk5656]

So when our guards get burned and there's no one to defend at the rim (like Gabe, Woody, Mel, etc) that's the fault of the guards? Or is that a product of our current bigs being young and not being used to protecting the rim?

The best defensive guards at any level have a rim protector so if they do take a chance and get burned, their failed chance doesn't turn into points. There's more to it than just a good rim protector as there also needs to be inside defensive rotations (which again are hard to teach and young players take a while to "get it") and the guard who got beat needs to know what to do instead of just stand there. Even a dominant point guard has to have at least a serviceable rim defender to cover defensive mistakes that will be made.

Uh yeah

 

[deanvogs]

What one position do we struggle with the most this year? I say PG, I'm interested in your thoughts

It isn't a "position" we struggle with, it is DEFENSE we struggle with. You think the team would be good at D if we just had a better defending PG? HAHAHA man, the rest of the team would still be crap. You could put a lock down PG defender on this team and it isn't going to be good defensively. The PG can't defend the SG for Jok/Ellingson, can't defend on the interior for Cook and Pemsl.

I would say the same for any of the other positions. Getting a lockdown defender at SG still leaves gaps at the PG, and post positions defensively.

It is what it is, and your shitty ass troll of trying to blame it all on Jordan is stupid, and it makes you look stupid.

 

[Knight78]

It's not 1980 anymore, talented players come in and can compete at a high level right away. Landing a grad transfer PG that can create and defend and move Bohannon and CW to the bench to fight for backup minutes would be perfect

We tried bringing in a JuCo point guard a few years ago. He was first team All American JuCo, so apparently many thought he was very, very good. How did that work out?

 

[deanvogs]

So when our guards get burned and there's no one to defend at the rim (like Gabe, Woody, Mel, etc) that's the fault of the guards? Or is that a product of our current bigs being young and not being used to protecting the rim?

The best defensive guards at any level have a rim protector so if they do take a chance and get burned, their failed chance doesn't turn into points. There's more to it than just a good rim protector as there also needs to be inside defensive rotations (which again are hard to teach and young players take a while to "get it") and the guard who got beat needs to know what to do instead of just stand there. Even a dominant point guard has to have at least a serviceable rim defender to cover defensive mistakes that will be made.

He is running a troll on Jordan. Our bigs can't hedge a screen at all. When a big man sets a screen on Jordan the defender (cook/Pemsl) have to hedge that screen. It isn't Jordans fault if the bigs can't defend that and keep the PG from getting to the rim, that is the job of the big to make sure he hedges that so that Jordan (or any defender) can get time to get around the screen.

 

[Hawk5656]

It isn't a "position" we struggle with, it is DEFENSE we struggle with. You think the team would be good at D if we just had a better defending PG? HAHAHA man, the rest of the team would still be crap. You could put a lock down PG defender on this team and it isn't going to be good defensively. The PG can't defend the SG for Jok/Ellingson, can't defend on the interior for Cook and Pemsl.

I would say the same for any of the other positions. Getting a lockdown defender at SG still leaves gaps at the PG, and post positions defensively.

It is what it is, and your shitty ass troll of trying to blame it all on Jordan is stupid, and it makes you look stupid.

If you could upgrade one position for next year what would it be? It's not a challenging question. Mine would be the PG Position

 

[Hawk5656]

We tried bringing in a JuCo point guard a few years ago. He was first team All American JuCo, so apparently many thought he was very, very good. How did that work out?

Fran really struggles at that position and I will agree with that

 

[Knight78]

Uh yeah

You do realize that EVERY guard gets burned. Many times. In every game. If you don't believe that, then you either aren't watching much basketball or you are simply blind.

I played D3 basketball and our guards got burned; our coach actually got mad when the bigs couldn't rotate defensively quickly enough and cover that up because he KNEW that guards would be burned defensively. And he won over 500 collegiate games (he won over 200 as a high school coach), so he knew a bit about basketball.

Defense is a team endeavor. When it's being played by all five with a cohesive plan as to what they have to do, where they have to go, right down to hand placement and which foot to attack defensively, it's a thing of beauty. When one member of the team makes a mistake, the other four have to recover for that mistake. You can see the good plays the young Hawks make; you can also see the mistakes made and their inability to recover. It will come with time.

 

[Hawk5656]

You do realize that EVERY guard gets burned. Many times. In every game. If you don't believe that, then you either aren't watching much basketball or you are simply blind.

I played D3 basketball and our guards got burned; our coach actually got mad when the bigs couldn't rotate defensively quickly enough and cover that up because he KNEW that guards would be burned defensively. And he won over 500 collegiate games (he won over 200 as a high school coach), so he knew a bit about basketball.

Defense is a team endeavor. When it's being played by all five with a cohesive plan as to what they have to do, where they have to go, right down to hand placement and which foot to attack defensively, it's a thing of beauty. When one member of the team makes a mistake, the other four have to recover for that mistake. You can see the good plays the young Hawks make; you can also see the mistakes made and their inability to recover. It will come with time.

Not as often as ours do. I watch a ton of basketball and our perimeter defense is the worst I've seen. Plus I think we're bringing in a rim protector in next year in Garza so our #1 priority should be getting an impact guard

 

[PCHawk]

I think right now, the 5 is the position that needs upgraded the most. For next year, we need an upgrade at the 2 more than an upgrade at the 1. Our 3 and 4 are good for the foreseeable future. Hopefully Garza makes the 5 good for the foreseeable future.

 

[deanvogs]

If you could upgrade one position for next year what would it be? It's not a challenging question. Mine would be the PG Position

Oh no, are you gonna say you won't respond to me again if I don't answer your question?

 

[deanvogs]

I think right now, the 5 is the position that needs upgraded the most. For next year, we need an upgrade at the 2 more than an upgrade at the 1. Our 3 and 4 are good for the foreseeable future. Hopefully Garza makes the 5 good for the foreseeable future.

Agreed. Moss is just gonna have to upgrade his game a bunch, which I think he can do. We just have to get better on interior D as well. It is so, so, so bad. I hope Garza is good defensively.

We need a backup PG who can defend though, and who can also allow Jordan to slide to the SG spot at times. If Williams could just do what he did last night on a regular basis, this team would have been much better this year.

 

[Hawk5656]

Oh no, are you gonna say you won't respond to me again if I don't answer your question?

It's crazy to me you said going into the season you knew we would struggle at the PG position, said we have no viable backup and we're not bringing in a new PG so instead of stating the obvious about what would make our team better you just try to troll around it and look dumb because you couldn't possibly want to agree with me even when you know I'm right.