Get a pt. Guard

You know, it might just be OK to have 56 on this site. To have someone constantly be such an apparent pain in peoples' arses so much is actually entertaining at times. He plays a role here, and serves to unite so many of the rest of us against him if nothing else.
 
STILLBUSTER said:
I'm also bored with so many regurgitating the media narrative, "It's all about the guards ..."
As posted above, Iowa's problem is not the back court, it's the lack of a powerful front court.

They have about 4 guys who are combo PG / SG who can adequately run the "point" - JoBo and CW being #1 and #2, depending on the opponent and performance. Fran realizes this and is finally starting to interchange them in appropriate situations. They do not need any more, nor any better "point guards" than what they already have.

As Melrose referenced, this is the position where Fran tends to overload. Partly by design (his "comfort" position of expertise and it fits his strategy), partly by default (he misses out on so many true, quality 4's & 5's that he takes the next best guys, who happen to be SG or combos.)

Again, I repeat, IOWA'S BIGGEST NEED IS A TRUE POST ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR!!!! This is where they've been getting destroyed, all season -- terrible interior defense, no one to "own" the lane and protect the rim, constantly giving up drives, drop-steps and dunks, weak rebounding position and allowing 2nd chance points.

Garza is a great start, at 6'11" & 230 (would like to see him get to 250). I just hope he lives up to his 4* billing and, more importantly, comes in with an "inside presence" that bolsters the grit of this team. (I fear he's a bit more face-up than back-to.)

I'll be thrilled -- and this team will top 20 wins without breaking a sweat -- if he + Pemsl + Cook can generate 30 pts / 20 boards every night, keep opponents offensive rebounds to < 8 (currently at 11.5) restore Iowa's rebound margin to the >+3 (currently -0.7) and get their defensive rebounding % to >75% (currently at 69%).

Out of 351 D-1 teams, Iowa is ranked in the 300's in these key statistics. Meanwhile, they're #49 in A/TO, #8 in total assists/game, #14 in assists / basket, and, while their raw turnovers are high (13.8 / game), they are above average (#141) in turnovers/possession.

For the last time ... Iowa has enough decent guards and 2 that will be good to very good. They do not need any more guards. They need more 4's and 5's, with toughness, attitude and 10 / 10 ability.
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Couldn't agree more. Iowa is in the top 3 in the BIG in scoring. They are getting enough points. The losses this season have come from rebounding and defense. With the players that Iowa currently has, for a need, I would take the rim protector defender over a PG that can penetrate. Iowa has enough athletic players that can penetrate and fill that void if needed. In addition, Iowa's offense isn't really designed to have to have a penetrating point to kick out passes. It would be a bonus, but not a necessity with this team.

Iowa can also pass the ball to the post which they are doing more of in games.

This team will get more out of Jo Bo's ability to hit the 3 more than having to be a penetrating PG. I'll take that on my team as will help spread the floor. Seriously, is there a reason to design an offense on plunging the undersized PG in the lane. I think it is important for the PG to be able to dribble off the pick and roll, though. That is key.

Quality point guards should have the following attributes on offense:
1) First and foremost take care of the ball - no turnovers
2) Second - Assists

If you have a PG that can do the top two, they are doing their job

3) Scoring over 8-10 pts is a bonus
4) Ability to hit a consistent 3 to spread the court is a huge bonus
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
You know, it might just be OK to have 56 on this site. To have someone constantly be such an apparent pain in peoples' arses so much is actually entertaining at times. He plays a role here, and serves to unite so many of the rest of us against him if nothing else.
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Maybe we need to recruit another 56, maybe one that can provide drivel much better.
 
If someone left and Iowa did recruit another point guard, I don't think they would beat out Bohannon or Williams. Both of Iowa point guards have a lot of experience in the McCaffery system now. Williams, if he doesn't transfer, will be a lot better next year offensively, and he will be solid defensively. Bohannon is exceptional in a lot of areas, and the areas he might need work on he will improve. Bohannon is only a freshman this year. Iowa should be a pretty deep team with the experience they were lacking this year. The incoming recruits look pretty gifted. They all have size and offensive prowess.
 
Tierney said:
If someone left and Iowa did recruit another point guard, I don't think they would beat out Bohannon or Williams. Both of Iowa point guards have a lot of experience in the McCaffery system now. Williams, if he doesn't transfer, will be a lot better next year offensively, and he will be solid defensively. Bohannon is exceptional in a lot of areas, and the areas he might need work on he will improve. Bohannon is only a freshman this year. Iowa should be a pretty deep team with the experience they were lacking this year. The incoming recruits look pretty gifted. They all have size and offensive prowess.
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That's what I've been saying... I'm all for recruiting another PG cause we need 1 and will need one again in 2-3 years, but if JB and CW stay, who ever comes in is likely not going to be beat out the 2 guys we have with multiple years and the experience they have gained already in Fran's system. Fran develops, he gets them to play the way he wants and then he gets comfortable with them. That doesn't happen over night, and sometimes doesn't even happen in a full season. Give me experience and hustle over talent and youth in college basketball every day especially at a program like Iowa.
 
InGoodCo said:
That's what I've been saying... I'm all for recruiting another PG cause we need 1 and will need one again in 2-3 years, but if JB and CW stay, who ever comes in is likely not going to be beat out the 2 guys we have with multiple years and the experience they have gained already in Fran's system. Fran develops, he gets them to play the way he wants and then he gets comfortable with them. That doesn't happen over night, and sometimes doesn't even happen in a full season. Give me experience and hustle over talent and youth in college basketball every day especially at a program like Iowa.
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If we bring in a PG that can't beat out JB and CW there's no point bringing them in
 
Hawk5656 said:
Our guards is our main problem. Our perimeter defense is the worst I think I've ever watched. Even Moss is getting roasted as of late and Bohannon and Jok are really bad defenders
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Our problem is defense, and it isn't only Jordan, he is just one piece of the problem. Pete just isn't good defensively. Ellingson isn't good, Cook and Pemsl are horrible defenders this point in their career as well.

Offensive we are fine, it is our defense that is the problem, and it is a TEAM problem, we are horrible defensively all over the court.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
You know, it might just be OK to have 56 on this site. To have someone constantly be such an apparent pain in peoples' arses so much is actually entertaining at times. He plays a role here, and serves to unite so many of the rest of us against him if nothing else.
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Meh, I don't enjoy people when the whole premise is that they are lying. He isn't a Hawk fan, everyone knows it. I would prefer it if he just came over, said he was a Clone fan and posted away. I'm not sure what he thinks he gains by pretending to be a Hawk when everyone knows he isn't.
 
InGoodCo said:
Also - I have a lot of good friends who are NCAA hoop fans and I'll get text all the time with how much they love Jordan while watching games. I get it from my Creighton buddy all the time. "Wish we had a kid like that" - I hear from my friend who lives in Nebraska who's a big Husker fan - i get texts like "Jordan Bohannon is the type of tough player our team never gets". Other people recognize his game but then I come on Hawkeyenation tho
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Then why is every tv announcer who does Iowa games spout out with " he is a guy that opponents' fans are going to love to hate"? They treat him as if he going to be Grayson Allen or Aaron Craft.
 
InGoodCo said:
So, if you and Dean agree on something after fighting about nearly everything for 4 months then that's your validation it's true? I swear the crap you'll use for defending your point sometimes make me wonder if your under 15.
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56 understands that I am both credible on this site, and understand basketball. It is natural for him to try to attach his opinion to mine when he agrees with me, as people value my opinion and not his.
 
deanvogs said:
Meh, I don't enjoy people when the whole premise is that they are lying. He isn't a Hawk fan, everyone knows it. I would prefer it if he just came over, said he was a Clone fan and posted away. I'm not sure what he thinks he gains by pretending to be a Hawk when everyone knows he isn't.
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One of his all-time favs is Jake Sullivan and he would have to admit that JoBo could end up being that same type of player.
 
deanvogs said:
Our problem is defense, and it isn't only Jordan, he is just one piece of the problem. Pete just isn't good defensively. Ellingson isn't good, Cook and Pemsl are horrible defenders this point in their career as well.

Offensive we are fine, it is our defense that is the problem, and it is a TEAM problem, we are horrible defensively all over the court.
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I don't disagree with that. We need to bring in a guard that can play defense
 
MelroseHawkins said:
It's called grooming for the future. There is a point. I get the impression with you it's either all or nothing.
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It's not 1980 anymore, talented players come in and can compete at a high level right away. Landing a grad transfer PG that can create and defend and move Bohannon and CW to the bench to fight for backup minutes would be perfect
 
Hawk5656 said:
It's not 1980 anymore, talented players come in and can compete at a high level right away. Landing a grad transfer PG that can create and defend and move Bohannon and CW to the bench to fight for backup minutes would be perfect
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I think we should find talented players who can come in right away and put Cook on the bench.....Same with Pete if he got another year, and Moss and Baer, and Pemsl. All of them, we need elite players who can send everyone to the bench right the F now!!!!
 
deanvogs said:
I think we should find talented players who can come in right away and put Cook on the bench.....Same with Pete if he got another year, and Moss and Baer, and Pemsl. All of them, we need elite players who can send everyone to the bench right the F now!!!!
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You said yesterday we're struggling at the PG position and now you don't want to upgrade it? Haha OK. I never heard you say we were struggling at any other position besides the PG position so I was addressing our biggest need
 
deanvogs said:
56 understands that I am both credible on this site, and understand basketball. It is natural for him to try to attach his opinion to mine when he agrees with me, as people value my opinion and not his.
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Geesh, get over yourself, Dean.:)
 
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