It'd be nice if they had the perfect prototypical pg. But they don't. So I'd say they are making due. Nobody is more frustrated then Fran and JBo. It's easier to defend a player like him because they know you can play up tight on him all the time. Can you have a good team with a player like Jbo? Sure we can. Just not in a prototypical way. They've shown they can play with about anyone. They've also shown that they can get beat by about anyone too. So they need to get consistent with their bench rotations more is what I wish they'd do. Dale Jones has no business being on the court. He looks terrible out there. Uhl has played himself out of favor and I'm not sure what the deal is with Moss. But I have a feeling he may have wandering eyes after this year just depending... If McCafferys kid comes in and takes most of Joks old mins ahead of Moss that wouldn't sit well with him but he might be staring that scenario right in the face...
Get a pt. Guard
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Disagree with that, Mike as a freshman was fine offensively but he was good defensively.
HawkeyeWalker
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Take this crap to your thread. Don't turn this into another one of your stupid arguments.
HawkeyeWalker
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And there you go. Don't. There's a whole godddammmn thread where you can drone on and on all you want on this.
InGoodCo
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To each his own. You can take Mike. I'll take Jordan.
InGoodCo
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yup - and that should be the end of that. We know where you stand, you know where 99.9 % of this site and Iowa fans do as well.
Fair enough, I appreciate defense more than you do
MelroseHawkins
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People need to stop with the "get a point guard". It gets old. They have young players at that position and will be fine. If people can't see what Fran is building and doing, that's on them. People who know b-ball know Fran's got something special going on in IC. Head coaches of other teams realize that as well.
Jo Bo's going to end his Iowa career with very good numbers when all said and done. Williams is a terrific second option at point with his length for a PG and option to bring in on D when need more length. He can also play around the rim if needed.
Fran has a problem with getting too many good players and finding minutes for all. People complained in the past Iowa couldn't get a PG that could shoot the 3 pt shot...blah...blah....blah. Now we have one that can and spread the floor and people continue to complain. It just gets old.
People need to keep it real. Just my $.02.
Jo Bo's going to end his Iowa career with very good numbers when all said and done. Williams is a terrific second option at point with his length for a PG and option to bring in on D when need more length. He can also play around the rim if needed.
Fran has a problem with getting too many good players and finding minutes for all. People complained in the past Iowa couldn't get a PG that could shoot the 3 pt shot...blah...blah....blah. Now we have one that can and spread the floor and people continue to complain. It just gets old.
People need to keep it real. Just my $.02.
MelroseHawkins
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You know how stupid you make yourself sound. What point are you actually trying to make? One was probably a 22 yr old senior and the other an 18 yr old freshman. Wow! Be objective a little bit.
You realize I wasn't the one that said Jordan is a major improvement from senior Mike? I was correcting a poster that said that so how would that make me look stupid
hawkeyebob62
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Jesus, you're now chumming up to deano for support? What's next, you starting a "ClintonIA Fan Appreciation Thread"?
HawkGold
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You can improve from pt A to pt B. You cannot go from A to D. D is what is needed in Big Country.
I agree with all of the above, except I just happen to believe that having a highly skilled PG who can get to the rim , create off the dribble, kick out to shooters to go along with JB would be fantastic for the whole team and open up things we haven't seen in years. It isn't wrong to think this or it isn't saying we don't like JB, we can have both in my opinion.
Depending on your age, it has been since Andre Woolridge that we have seen an All Big 10 1st Team PG. As I said in another thread weeks ago, I think a good chunk of people on this board have forgotten what a stud PG looks like in an Iowa uniform since its been so long and how they can carry a team.
InGoodCo
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I agree, there are better PG's out there with more equip skill sets - I don't think sayin that is knocking Jordan at all. But we don't have that, so what's the point? I would love to recruit one. Some stud PG's that can get to rim and create off the dribble can't shoot like Jordan either, so sometimes you gotta give and take with your skill sets. Jordan is who we have so that's who i am gonna support, watch and get excited about for potential. Also - Andre Woolridge - know him, met him (several times, he's from Omaha where I am from) and saw him play in person many times at Benson, Nebraska and Iowa. He was a STUD, you'll get no arguments from me.
ShockHawk22
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Williams frustrates me so much. If he could put
Live up to his physical talents, look out.... tall, quick, long arms, can jump, the guy would be a steal. Games like last night show you what he might be.
Live up to his physical talents, look out.... tall, quick, long arms, can jump, the guy would be a steal. Games like last night show you what he might be.
Totally agree, supporting JB and I like what he brings to the team. Competitor thru and thru. I think the only reason the PG thing keeps getting mentioned is just because a large segment of the fan base realizes just how good we might have been the last 7 years with a PG like that. Not a knock on the other players at all. I try not to think about what might have been with Marcus Paige on the team the last 4 years
MelroseHawkins
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He might be one of those players where everything just comes together or everything finally comes aligned his senior year and he has a kick-azz senior year. He may show flashes during games these next two years, but may eventually all come together when he is the upperclassman his senior year. Who knows. I hope it all comes together sooner.
STILLBUSTER
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I'm also bored with so many regurgitating the media narrative, "It's all about the guards ..."
As posted above, Iowa's problem is not the back court, it's the lack of a powerful front court.
They have about 4 guys who are combo PG / SG who can adequately run the "point" - JoBo and CW being #1 and #2, depending on the opponent and performance. Fran realizes this and is finally starting to interchange them in appropriate situations. They do not need any more, nor any better "point guards" than what they already have.
As Melrose referenced, this is the position where Fran tends to overload. Partly by design (his "comfort" position of expertise and it fits his strategy), partly by default (he misses out on so many true, quality 4's & 5's that he takes the next best guys, who happen to be SG or combos.)
Again, I repeat, IOWA'S BIGGEST NEED IS A TRUE POST ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR!!!! This is where they've been getting destroyed, all season -- terrible interior defense, no one to "own" the lane and protect the rim, constantly giving up drives, drop-steps and dunks, weak rebounding position and allowing 2nd chance points.
Garza is a great start, at 6'11" & 230 (would like to see him get to 250). I just hope he lives up to his 4* billing and, more importantly, comes in with an "inside presence" that bolsters the grit of this team. (I fear he's a bit more face-up than back-to.)
I'll be thrilled -- and this team will top 20 wins without breaking a sweat -- if he + Pemsl + Cook can generate 30 pts / 20 boards every night, keep opponents offensive rebounds to < 8 (currently at 11.5) restore Iowa's rebound margin to the >+3 (currently -0.7) and get their defensive rebounding % to >75% (currently at 69%).
Out of 351 D-1 teams, Iowa is ranked in the 300's in these key statistics. Meanwhile, they're #49 in A/TO, #8 in total assists/game, #14 in assists / basket, and, while their raw turnovers are high (13.8 / game), they are above average (#141) in turnovers/possession.
For the last time ... Iowa has enough decent guards and 2 that will be good to very good. They do not need any more guards. They need more 4's and 5's, with toughness, attitude and 10 / 10 ability.
Our guards is our main problem. Our perimeter defense is the worst I think I've ever watched. Even Moss is getting roasted as of late and Bohannon and Jok are really bad defenders
