Frans future

Iowa Basketball is at an awkward spot as a program. Over the past 20 years the program went down reputation wise from a regular top 20 program to an occasional after thought. It dropped drastically under Lickliter as head coach and the road since then under McCaffrey improved, but it is stalemated. What can you do when you are locked down by a bad contract decision and a new hire might not be any better than the current head coach? Three head coaches over the last 20 years and two of them no longer head coaches. One hired by Bowlsby and two by Barta.

Personally I think Barta has to raise the quality of opposition in the non-conference season. McCaffrey is well paid and if he is as good as Barta thinks he is, then Iowa should be able to tackle a more difficult schedule. Let's see how good the head coach will do.
 
ssckelley said:
How many of you "fire Fran" posters were expecting a 22-11 season this year?

I was hoping for an NIT bid after last years disaster. Lickliter should have shown you how close Iowa is to being in the dump, evidently those memories must be fading. I didn't like the losing streak at the end and it was embarrassing how bad they lost last night but overall I'm still happy with how this season went. Give Fran a chance, you really don't have much choice as he's not going anywhere.
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Do you measure your kids performance against an F-student or an A-student? If it's the former you're a bad parent.
 
ssckelley said:
How many of you "fire Fran" posters were expecting a 22-11 season this year?

I was hoping for an NIT bid after last years disaster. Lickliter should have shown you how close Iowa is to being in the dump, evidently those memories must be fading. I didn't like the losing streak at the end and it was embarrassing how bad they lost last night but overall I'm still happy with how this season went. Give Fran a chance, you really don't have much choice as he's not going anywhere.
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My tentative prediction was for Iowa to bounce back and be more similar to Fran's previous teams. I'd say that was more or less accurate.

Unfortunately that also included yet another late season meltdown. Another similarity to past Fran teams. It often matters how you got to where you are rather than looking at everything in a vacuum. On the surface, solid season, but a different dog with the same fleas.

But what I predicted (which came before seeing the team play a single game) doesn't really mean much.
 
HawkGold said:
Heads up. PMs shot is worse than CMs.
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Northside Hawk said:
He drifts too much. A Terrible habit that is usually corrected by early high school and that will see him get his shot sent into the luxury suites at times in B1G play.
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Pat McCaffery will be the biggest recruiting bust relative to the amount of hype in the history of Iowa basketball. You heard it here.

I’ll go so far as to say he won’t play 2 full years in P5 basketball. Not his fault, but it won’t happen.

If we could get his amount of passion in a guy like Cook you’d be looking at an All American, but Patrick isn’t a Big Ten basketball player, period.
 
Fryowa said:
Pat McCaffery will be the biggest recruiting bust relative to the amount of hype in the history of Iowa basketball. You heard it here.

I’ll go so far as to say he won’t play 2 full years in P5 basketball. Not his fault, but it won’t happen.

If we could get his amount of passion in a guy like Cook you’d be looking at an All American, but Patrick isn’t a Big Ten basketball player, period.
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I'm sure some folks here remember when I said PMac was the most overrated recruit in the country when he was ranked Top 30. I caught a lot of hell for that.
 
Fryowa said:
Pat McCaffery will be the biggest recruiting bust relative to the amount of hype in the history of Iowa basketball. You heard it here.

I’ll go so far as to say he won’t play 2 full years in P5 basketball. Not his fault, but it won’t happen.

If we could get his amount of passion in a guy like Cook you’d be looking at an All American, but Patrick isn’t a Big Ten basketball player, period.
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I can't argue that v my expectations. As it looks, if he does play much it will be his dad's undoing. I'm sure there will be somethings he brings to the table, but it will be limited. When CM and JBo are in the game together, Iowa's passing is at it's finest when it works. But that's just another position that won't be a threat to dribble drive which is why it ididn't work later in the season. It will be sad.
 
tksirius said:
I'm sure some folks here remember when I said PMac was the most overrated recruit in the country when he was ranked Top 30. I caught a lot of hell for that.
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Few on here want to discuss the problem that both of the M boys have terrible shooting fundamentals and PM has absolutely terrible dribbling fundamentals, which wouldn't be as big of an issue if he didn't do it so much.

Where I'm going on this is that they had a least a driveway hoop to be coached by a Big Coach. What happened? They didn't listen? He can't coach fundamentals at the player level? Privilege? Maybe explains why players seem to digress? Fundamentals need to be drilled over and over. Maybe teams catch up to what players are doing as they age and it doesn't work anymore?
 
Fryowa said:
Pat McCaffery will be the biggest recruiting bust relative to the amount of hype in the history of Iowa basketball. You heard it here.

I’ll go so far as to say he won’t play 2 full years in P5 basketball. Not his fault, but it won’t happen.

If we could get his amount of passion in a guy like Cook you’d be looking at an All American, but Patrick isn’t a Big Ten basketball player, period.
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Interesting. Who would be on that list now. Big hype, relatively disappointing career. In my era of fandom, 1977-present, I would have to go with Al Lorenzen and Kenyon Murray.
 
If Moss and or Cook think they are ready for the"next" level, someone is feeding them so serious BS


QUOTE="ibahawkeye, post: 1830166, member: 70025"]We’re heading to the tourney which I think for most exceeded expectations coming into the season. But I still don’t think overall Fran has the support of the fan base.

I feel like the programs future is really looming on Cook and Moss staying. If somehow we can keep these 2 guys and hopefully and even better season next year and have the program on a better foundation than just up and and down and hopefully impact the next recruiting class, it will really determine Frans future.

I like Toussaint and Patrick but if we lose Cook and/or Moss, I don’t feel great about the roster.

I guess what I’m saying is that if Fran can somehow get Tyler and Moss to stay I’d feel much better about next year as well as the ability to continue recruiting as the program will be on an upward swing.

On the opposite end if we lose Cook or Moss I feel like we’ll take a step backwards and unless Fran can bring in some top talent, I feel like momentum and recruiting is heading in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE]
 
[We are in dance, shut your pie hole......dudes like you ran out guys like Tom Davis, Lute Olson, and Steve Alford. Steve was a douche but TD and Lute were Legends


QUOTE="revkev73, post: 1830305, member: 81504"]Wisconsin recruits and plays to excel with the "officiating" of the conference. Iowa, glued in, immovable in the FB and BB programs. Fran will be around a long, long time, he is average, the perfect fit for Iowa.[/QUOTE]
 
So assistant coaches do what???? Honestly....I think after watching our guys without fran, our ACS suck.
smitharooney said:
I do have issues with Fran when I see players not boxing out and they are not being sat on the bench . Cook , Garza and Baer I see all the time just turn and look to the basket . I don’t think I’ve seen cmac put a body on a defender out on the perimeter all season and he is the friggin coaches kid
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He needed to hit the jackpot with his large 2015 recruiting haul. Instead most of them transferred out. If he had hit on three or four of those players we wouldn't have had the 2018 disaster.

He had better luck with his incoming 2016 class but it couldn't carry the day by itself. He's has quality, but not much quantity, in his last two classes and the jury is still out on incoming 2019.

Bart-man has bought him enough time to hit a home run with his 2020 class. Now Fran must deliver. That class will make or break him. Baer, Cook, Moss, Bohannon and Kriener will be gone by then.
 
ibahawkeye said:
We’re heading to the tourney which I think for most exceeded expectations coming into the season. But I still don’t think overall Fran has the support of the fan base.

I feel like the programs future is really looming on Cook and Moss staying. If somehow we can keep these 2 guys and hopefully and even better season next year and have the program on a better foundation than just up and and down and hopefully impact the next recruiting class, it will really determine Frans future.

I like Toussaint and Patrick but if we lose Cook and/or Moss, I don’t feel great about the roster.

I guess what I’m saying is that if Fran can somehow get Tyler and Moss to stay I’d feel much better about next year as well as the ability to continue recruiting as the program will be on an upward swing.

On the opposite end if we lose Cook or Moss I feel like we’ll take a step backwards and unless Fran can bring in some top talent, I feel like momentum and recruiting is heading in the wrong direction.
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If Cook stays and can't make the NBA early or at all, then Fran's recruiting reputation is cinders. Every coach that we go against will mention to a prospective recruit that Fran couldn't develop a guy like Cook. That's not a good look.
 
HawkGold said:
Where I'm going on this is that they had a least a driveway hoop to be coached by a Big Coach. What happened? They didn't listen? He can't coach fundamentals at the player level? Privilege? Maybe explains why players seem to digress? Fundamentals need to be drilled over and over. Maybe teams catch up to what players are doing as they age and it doesn't work anymore?
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I’m willing to bet that before actually joining the Hawkeyes, they probably had very little coaching from their dad.

Whether he’s a good coach or not, Fran is a Big Ten HC and the amount of free time he has is probably zip. I just don’t see him having 8-10 hours a week alone with his kids for basketball, which is what it’d probably take. He probably spends 60 hrs a week at Carver, and then add recruiting, travel, and fundraising on top of it.

The Connor and Patrick we see is a result of AAU and camp coaching.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Here's the thing...Fran's teams tend to be egg layers. I'm not sure how else to describe it. When you think, hey this team has it going and is going to be in every game because they share the ball and have too many shooters to defend. You are absolutely convinced they will score with anyone night in and night out.

Then you go to Michigan State, embarrassing blowout...go to Purdue...embarrassing blowout...at home against Rutgers...embarrassing blowout....at Ohio State...embarrassing blowout...B10 tourney...embarrassing blowout.

This team is so inconsistent defensively...and undisciplined. To me, and I've said this before, we need a proven defensive coach on the staff. The results don't lie. Sure we are better, but I think the improvement is because we are older...not strategically or cohesively. The Michigan huddle peek in was telling...did you hear the Michigan assistant talking defensive Xs and Os? Beilein hired him three years ago to run defense only. Michigan is the most improved defensive team in the country over the past three years...look it up prior to his arrival. Fran needs to find a guy like that.

Lastly, say what you will about Kirk Ferentz...but in the B10, his teams play and are fundamentally sound. You can complain about the offensive game planning or conservatism...but the blowouts or being outclassed are few and far between. His team goes on the road and it's not going to be a shit show. Fran, well, flip a coin.
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<<Sure we are better, but I think the improvement is because we are older...not strategically or cohesively.>>

This, in a nutshell, describes Iowa basketball post-Tom Davis. From Alford to McCaffery, there has never been the feeling that our program is building a consistently competitive team. Before Alford, we knew a "down" year was always possible because of timing, etc. But we also knew it was a blip on the radar, that the next season and seasons after that Iowa would be playing in the post-season.

But the landscape has also changed. "Cheating", in the broad sense, has become more rampant and brought more to the forefront. Hurrah....except..."cheating" is not only "expected" but, at blueblood programs, it's also "accepted". And it's even becoming "sport-specific". UNC's football program can lose schollies, miss bowl games, and be kept off TV. Basketball? Hell, no! By God (per NCAA), those things may not even be clear-cut violations! And, of course, some of it is "a legal issue". WTF?!

There are going to be 68 teams in the NCAA tournament and, if we were to go by "traditional" standards, a full quarter to a third of those teams should be staying home, either because of "cheating", or because they only got in because a team from a "loser" conference didn't win its conference tournament and was robbed of a bid because an 18-14 ACC or Big East or SEC team had "a better overall body of work". When a committee--any committee--can properly and clearly define what THAT is, we'll see less of the "Big East/ACC should have 11 teams!" and more, "Thank God for those scrappy kids at West Nowhere State!" from the likes of Dukie V and his ilk. ANY team that loses 15 games prior to its conference tournament should have exactly ONE way to reach the NCAA tournament: win its conference tournament.

Short of hiring a true top-level coach, Iowa basketball may NEVER get back to what it was pre-2000. And, short of winning the BTT, we will pretty much ALWAYS be going INTO the BTT wondering how far we need to advance to be a "lock".
 
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