Fran McCaffery Says Hawkeyes Will Rebound from Down Season

ArvadaHawk said:
i provided a definition of hot head to show he isn't a hot head. that's pretty clear, dw. if it wasn't, then i should have been clearer. but Fran is not impetuous, or prone to easily becoming violent.
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Then our definition of hot head is way different. Enjoy Franny.
 
lightning1 said:
80% of Jay Wright's practices are defense and rebounding. That mind set will weed out a lot of one sided players, all by itself. It's a culture based on toughness and to play good defense, you need toughness. It's not easy playing good defense. It takes hard work and very few people compliment you on it because it doesn't show up in the box score. That's half of the equation. The other half of the equation is Fran deciding he's not going to play kids that don't play defense.
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Yep.

1. You have to have a certain mentality to be a great defensive player. Athleticism is important, but it's wasted if you don't have the "you're not going to score on me" mentality, and the toughness to maintain that determination possession after possession.

2. You have to have coach who actively looks for those traits on the recruiting trail, then emphasizes it in practice to create that culture.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
Yep.

1. You have to have a certain mentality to be a great defensive player. Athleticism is important, but it's wasted if you don't have the "you're not going to score on me" mentality, and the toughness to maintain that determination possession after possession.

2. You have to have coach who actively looks for those traits on the recruiting trail, then emphasizes it in practice to create that culture.
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A tale of two Kevin's.

Kevin Gamble was an above average athlete, great slashing interior moves, good shooter, clutch player, and a sieve on defense. Dennis Hopson of OSU in particular gave him fits. Davis frequently had to go zone in 1987 despite having an edge in athleticism almost every night. And Gamble was a large reason why. Fortunately the juggernaut that was the 1986-87 Hawkeyes hid a lot of weaknesses. Until UNLV exposed them. Ironically, it was Gamble's third foul early in the second half that helped trigger UNLV's run. By the time Davis realized he needed Gamble's scoring punch, the damage had been done.

Kevin Boyle was, at least for two years, a slightly above average athlete, good baseline J, decent hops, good rebounder, had none of Gamble's "put it on the deck" moves. But he could shut down an opponent. He did it mostly with hustle and intelligence, forcing his man where he didn't want to go, forcing him into traps, good anticipator for steals on the perimeter. He went MIA against Louisville in the 1980 final four game and began a slow downward spiral from there. He actually had a similar career to Kenyon Murray. By the end, guys like Illinois Derek Harper were toying with him and he struggled just to shoot free throws. But Boyle always had the desire, the mentality, to do defensive dirty work. Gamble could make athletic plays in the press but treated halfcourt defense like an afterthought. It shortened he NBA career.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
perhaps words refuting what i said would be more helpful and conducive to conversation.
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Northside Hawk said:
A tale of two Kevin's.

Kevin Gamble was an above average athlete, great slashing interior moves, good shooter, clutch player, and a sieve on defense. Dennis Hopson of OSU in particular gave him fits. Davis frequently had to go zone in 1987 despite having an edge in athleticism almost every night. And Gamble was a large reason why. Fortunately the juggernaut that was the 1986-87 Hawkeyes hid a lot of weaknesses. Until UNLV exposed them. Ironically, it was Gamble's third foul early in the second half that helped trigger UNLV's run. By the time Davis realized he needed Gamble's scoring punch, the damage had been done.

Kevin Boyle was, at least for two years, a slightly above average athlete, good baseline J, decent hops, good rebounder, had none of Gamble's "put it on the deck" moves. But he could shut down an opponent. He did it mostly with hustle and intelligence, forcing his man where he didn't want to go, forcing him into traps, good anticipator for steals on the perimeter. He went MIA against Louisville in the 1980 final four game and began a slow downward spiral from there. He actually had a similar career to Kenyon Murray. By the end, guys like Illinois Derek Harper were toying with him and he struggled just to shoot free throws. But Boyle always had the desire, the mentality, to do defensive dirty work. Gamble could make athletic plays in the press but treated halfcourt defense like an afterthought. It shortened he NBA career.
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Yeah, definitely two different mentalities with those two former Hawkeyes.

Michael Jordan to me was the consummate defensive player (well, consummate player period....). When he was motivated to shut a guy down, he shut him down. He also could guard three positions equally well.

While not nearly the offensive equal, Bruce Bowen was similar on the defensive end. He was a master at taking away strengths and forcing opponents into uncomfortable positions.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
Yeah, definitely two different mentalities with those two former Hawkeyes.

Michael Jordan to me was the consummate defensive player (well, consummate player period....). When he was motivated to shut a guy down, he shut him down. He also could guard three positions equally well.

While not nearly the offensive equal, Bruce Bowen was similar on the defensive end. He was a master at taking away strengths and forcing opponents into uncomfortable positions.
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Dennis Rodman, at 6'7, loved the challenge of shutting down bigger, stronger post players. Mostly it allowed his own post player to take an easier defensive assignment, conserving more energy for what said post player did best. Of course, with Rodman, much of the defense he played was between the ears, and getting between the ears of his opponent. Jordan, during the second three peat, actually was content to do much his damage from the outside and save most of his Jordanesque moments for the postseason. Rodman took a lot of the defensive heat off him. And of course, Jordan could play D. There wasn't much, on the court, he couldn't do.
 
Kennyfromminne said:
Cool as a cucumber
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His best meltdown. Could have cost him his job. I was there. What you didn't see, as it went to commercial, was Fran storm diagonally across the court at the third official when he should have been exiting stage left. This was during commercial break. He bumped that second official pretty good. Brust made four foul shots out of it. Iowa ended up losing by four after leading the #3 ranked team in the country by eleven at the half.

Should have stolen the game. The students were gone. The Packers had just been upset by the niners at lambeau. Kohl was dead. The Badgers were sleepwalking. Basabe was shutting Dekker down. Fran got the Kohl rocking.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Dennis Rodman, at 6'7, loved the challenge of shutting down bigger, stronger post players. Mostly it allowed his own post player to take an easier defensive assignment, conserving more energy for what said post player did best. Of course, with Rodman, much of the defense he played was between the ears, and getting between the ears of his opponent. Jordan, during the second three peat, actually was content to do much his damage from the outside and save most of his Jordanesque moments for the postseason. Rodman took a lot of the defensive heat off him. And of course, Jordan could play D. There wasn't much, on the court, he couldn't do.
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I thought about mentioning Rodman, but I was focusing more on perimeter players. He was a very good defensive player, and probably the best rebounder the game has ever seen.

A couple more I would mention are Michael Cooper and Scottie Pippen. Like Jordan and Bowen, they could guard multiple positions, though each could struggle with ultra-quick smaller guards (then again, who didn't?). Bird himself states that Cooper was the best defensive player he ever faced.

Others to consider would be Sidney Moncrief and Ron Artest in their primes.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
have you ever seen fran blow up and yell and scream in a press conference? i have not.
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Maybe he hasn't yelled or screamed in a press conference, but he's definitely been unprofessional several times in press conferences.

(The time when he said "don't answer that" or something along those lines and said "cuz I said so" when asked why. The recent occurrence when he told Scott Dochterman that he shouldn't have asked a question because it was stupid.) I'm sure I'm missing other times as well...

Kirk's unprofessionalism in press conferences amounts to him saying "let me muster one up" & "that's football."

The fact that you're seriously trying to claim that they have similar demeanors is ridiculous.
 
Northside Hawk said:
His best meltdown. Could have cost him his job. I was there. What you didn't see, as it went to commercial, was Fran storm diagonally across the court at the third official when he should have been exiting stage left. This was during commercial break. He bumped that second official pretty good. Brust made four foul shots out of it. Iowa ended up losing by four after leading the #3 ranked team in the country by eleven at the half.

Should have stolen the game. The students were gone. The Packers had just been upset by the niners at lambeau. Kohl was dead. The Badgers were sleepwalking. Basabe was shutting Dekker down. Fran got the Kohl rocking.
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You know if there is video of him flipping out during the UNI game that one year? I know it was probably warranted to some degree, but I remember he really went off the handle and was escorted by police out of the arena.
 
Northside Hawk said:
His best meltdown. Could have cost him his job. I was there. What you didn't see, as it went to commercial, was Fran storm diagonally across the court at the third official when he should have been exiting stage left. This was during commercial break. He bumped that second official pretty good. Brust made four foul shots out of it. Iowa ended up losing by four after leading the #3 ranked team in the country by eleven at the half.

Should have stolen the game. The students were gone. The Packers had just been upset by the niners at lambeau. Kohl was dead. The Badgers were sleepwalking. Basabe was shutting Dekker down. Fran got the Kohl rocking.
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That's a good coach there
 
tksirius said:
You know if there is video of him flipping out during the UNI game that one year? I know it was probably warranted to some degree, but I remember he really went off the handle and was escorted by police out of the arena.
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There are so many example of him flipping out its pathetic
 
Explain to me why these aren't fireable offenses even for coach K. Most of us couldn't survive that.

By definition, he could have been charged with misdemeanor assault for the kick. Go ahead whoever and keep defending him.

The law of assault in Iowa is statutory, meaning there is a written law on how a person should be charged.

An assault in Iowa includes all of what people commonly used to refer to as “assault and battery.” Under Iowa Code § 708, an assault is any act intended to cause pain or injury to, or which is intended to result in physical contact which will be insulting or offensive to another, coupled with the apparent ability to execute the act; (2) any act which is intended to place another in fear of immediate physical contact which will be painful, injurious, insulting, or offensive, coupled with the apparent ability to execute the act; (3) that includes the intentionally pointing of any firearm toward another, or display in a threatening manner any dangerous weapon toward another.

Assaults, therefore, include the context leading up to physical contact, if any, but notably do not require actual physical contact.

An assault between an assailant and an uninjured, unrelated victim with no children, not living together, and never having engaged in a physical relationship is a simple misdemeanor punishable by at most 30 days in jail and a $650 fine.



 
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