It's almost like you are upset Iowa came back and won today, that's sad.
Ferentz' postgame quote on CJ
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It's almost like you are upset Iowa came back and won today, that's sad.
NEIChawk
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Anyway you slice it, dice it, mince it, or julienne it in reference to what the good old Captain said....we do have two good Q's, so we should be behind any of them that are running the offense......the second half belonged to CJB and the defense......Kirk can say what he wants to in the post game interviews, but the true fact remains that CJB is a very capable young man that can lead, and so can Jake.....maybe yesterdays game is evident of more things to come...more of a vertical game.....I guess one never knows w/Davis calling the plays, but the game showed a lot more passion from the defense, and our offense clicked a lot better since game one.....we, as fans want to watch Iowa destroy their opponents by a guy running for 150 yards, or throwing 350 yards....it should happen, but it usually ends up like yesterday.....2 Q's throwing for 180 yards and 5 guys rushing for 130 yards....I'm just glad we won, and now we can move on and prepare for Purdue....
Bigtenchamp
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1. No.... that's not what passive aggressive is... and I would LOVE to be able to ask Ferentz any of these questions to his face. It's a dream really.
2. I do agree with your second point however... I know people who have dealt with him for various reasons personally and most people have nothing but great things to say about him.
SpecialKHawk
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I am not bothered as much by the CJ practice comment because it is probably true of him. The problem is it sounds like this was the case for the entire team on Thursday.
I am more bothered that an HC with 16 years experience has not figured out that some players are just gamers. If the sole evaluation of everything is practice then you are going to miss on some player evals and in essence not play/feature the Best 22.
The problem with practice is the players know each other. They know what to expect and so much of it has to be non-contact. How do you simulate the pressure when the bullets are flying from an opponent who you see once a year maybe?
Pure and simple some talented players show up when the lights are on. Fact of life. A great coach has to sense that and know which ones will bring it on game day.
I am more bothered that an HC with 16 years experience has not figured out that some players are just gamers. If the sole evaluation of everything is practice then you are going to miss on some player evals and in essence not play/feature the Best 22.
The problem with practice is the players know each other. They know what to expect and so much of it has to be non-contact. How do you simulate the pressure when the bullets are flying from an opponent who you see once a year maybe?
Pure and simple some talented players show up when the lights are on. Fact of life. A great coach has to sense that and know which ones will bring it on game day.
seepig
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Can't stand the heat give up the $4M dollars a year contract and get the $*%# out of the kitchen. Nobody is keeping him here.
seepig
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When you make bad coaching decisions and even the ANNOUNCERS on TV look and sound stunned there are coaching issues. Having said that I am very happy for the kids today. This could turn the whole season around.
racerhawk
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I would agree that the message board minority is out in full force, but I think you may have underestimated the negativity that people (not just message board haters) have been feeling towards KF in recent years. That's true here, and in the stands.
I want nothing more than for him to continue to lead the hawks to greatness. Having said that, his schtick and (opinion coming) apparent disdain for the fans and media is getting "Aqua Velva" stale.
racerhawk
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I have no doubt that he is a fine human being. I don't think most people doubt this.
I just can't stand listening to him in interviews. To me, he does appear to be annoyed and defensive much of the time.
I'm okay with that if he can continue to put the right players into the game.
It was a dumb comment to make to Podalak no matter weather he was trying to be funny or not. KF should know better after this long in the business. He was much more complimentary of Beathard in other interviews
If Rudock was injured as KF said and we have no reason to believe otherwise, Beathard only played the 2nd half because KF had no choice. The question is would he have played if Rudock wasn't injured. Based on KF's statements it looks like Rudock would have played the entire game and may very well start next week if the injury is manageable.
We can only speculate what the outcome would have been had JR played the entire way Saturday. Most of the fans probably don't feel the ending would have been as positive as it was.
From my perspective however, the offense seems to get a hop in their step when Beathard plays. People can read in to that if they wish. For me personally it appears CJB has a little more respect than JR from his teammates. Just look at the ISU game. In the 2nd half when the play was blown dead and an ISU player about broke Rudock in half with a hit in the back, my first thought after Rudock gathered himself was his teammates hardly responded to the ISU player or to Rudock.
I'd love to see Beathard start Saturday and let him prove that he is the go to guy or not. Not confident in KF though to do this.
HeavenHasBeer
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Anybody else getting deja vu circa 2005 Steve Alford from this entire thread or is it just me?
hawkdrummer1
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Lest you think it was a one-time slip... Here's what KFz said in the post game when asked who would start next week. (just read this on HawkCentral)
"How can I answer that?" Ferentz said. " I'm sure we'll see some opinions. I'll be glad to read them (Sunday)."
Thin-skinned indeed.
"How can I answer that?" Ferentz said. " I'm sure we'll see some opinions. I'll be glad to read them (Sunday)."
Thin-skinned indeed.
Motigerhawk
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I have been thinking about this. I heard the comments after the game and thought what may of you have thought. But maybe KF is trying to motivate CJ. Maybe he is trying to get CJ to focus in practice. Maybe CJ is the class clown and KF realizes his potential and wants him to knuckle under.
OR KF was being a female sanitary product not named a tampon.
OR KF was being a female sanitary product not named a tampon.
seepig
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The other thing no one has mentioned about Kirk is the stupid play call on 3rd and 8 you run that off tackle play getting 0 yds. Forcing us to take a 52 yd FG. You can't seriously believe the coaches have their heads in the game the entire time with play calls like that.
ATLHawkeye
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Or... Maybe KF is simply happy CJB played better in the game than he did on practice Thursday. Sometimes a comment is just a comment with no ill intent.
Before now, JR certainly hasn't set the world on fire, but he hasn't played poorly enough to be benched. When you have a backup QB who doesn't make the reads well in practice, wouldn't you be hesitant to bring him into a game, especially when your starting QB is not the reason for your lack of success? I think our problems have been more with scheme than QB performance. Powell missing that very catchable pass downfield early certainly wasn't due to JR's pass.
We all thought (hoped) CJB would be a "gamer". Because of whatever "tweak" JR may have had yesterday, we, and KF, now know CJB is a gamer... or at least he was yesterday. I'd really like to see him stay with CJB because he seems to bring something special when he comes in. Seems like "swagger"... But maybe it's just the long hair. However, I'm not giving up on JR either. We do have two very good quarterbacks.
Before now, JR certainly hasn't set the world on fire, but he hasn't played poorly enough to be benched. When you have a backup QB who doesn't make the reads well in practice, wouldn't you be hesitant to bring him into a game, especially when your starting QB is not the reason for your lack of success? I think our problems have been more with scheme than QB performance. Powell missing that very catchable pass downfield early certainly wasn't due to JR's pass.
We all thought (hoped) CJB would be a "gamer". Because of whatever "tweak" JR may have had yesterday, we, and KF, now know CJB is a gamer... or at least he was yesterday. I'd really like to see him stay with CJB because he seems to bring something special when he comes in. Seems like "swagger"... But maybe it's just the long hair. However, I'm not giving up on JR either. We do have two very good quarterbacks.
I agree it would make me nervous.
Except, to everyone who watched the game yesterday, your staying quarterback is the reason for your lack of success.
Sometimes being a clown as a leader helps - it reminds those you are leading that you are not robots. It helps them loosen up. Iowa teams are never lacking for discipline from the coaching staff - maybe somebody has to be there to take the edge off so that they play loose instead of tight.
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hawkdrummer1
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You have touched on one of the areas that will always separate Hayden from KFz. Hayden knew how to motivate his team and what they needed psychologically. We've seen KFz's teams come out flat as a pancake over and over. The "punch the time clock mentality" is great for practices. Not so much for a game.
Ferentz has all the traits of a great assistant coach and general manager. (he approaches things like an NFL asst coach)
He lacks some traits of a great Head Coach
blubberhawk
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and he continues to run that play with our 4th best running back. 3rd time this year he has done that.
hawkeyebob62
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<...EVERYTHING I knew about Ferentz...>>
Apparently, not much.
Do you REALLY think a coach would NOT get nervous if a player didn't practice well?
Aside from his recent double-talk that (now) CJB is the greatest thing since sliced bread, previous "inside sources" had told him CJB continued to make the same mistakes in practice.
Rather than be "mad" at KF, I'm happy for the team and CJB, and hope JR isn't injured vs. nicked up.
KF was spot on when he said it's great to have two capable QBs who are well-prepared.
Pot, meet kettle.
I have never seen someone get so bent out of shape about another person who has more knowledge about the subject at hand in their left nut than the person criticizing does in their entire body.
How mad are you that Iowa won yesterday?
hawkdrummer1
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What are you talking about? Or perhaps more accurately who are you talking to?... thousands of people apparently, including Ed Podolak, a variety of other sports broadcasters and columnists, some former players (see McNutt's tweets from last week for example) etc. etc.
You can try to make it a personal attack on me if that floats your boat. But you'd be completely missing the point. (as demonstrated by the final line of your post). As for the hyperbole of your opening line... this must be your first day on a chat forum, or watching/reading any type of mass media for that matter. Criticism of people in positions of power, especially when they invite it, is nothing new.
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