Ferentz' postgame quote on CJ

IronHawk said:
CJB has that Ricky Stanzi gunslinger mentality. Remember the games of 3 picks but somehow Stanzi would toss a game winning TD pass or lead the game winning drive. CJB has that type of memory. He doesn't remember his last throw. He just chucks it. He is a gambler too. Ruddock is the percentage guy. So is Ferentz but maybe KF at least gives CJB more snaps. I do agree he should start.

As for KFs comments, I don't know why anyone is suprised. That's KF. His relationship with the press is rocky anyway. And were we at practice? Maybe we should quit complaining about remarks KF makes and hope that Iowa improves so we go 4-1. If all I have to worry about is KFs snarky comments all year. I can deal.
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The primary worry should be about losing games to bad football teams, especially at Kinnick. Most seem to losing sight of the fact that Iowa could easily be 0-4, playing arguably one of the easiest schedules in the country. Ferentz has been horrible on the sidelines. Wish it were not true.
 
ATLHawkeye said:
Or... Maybe KF is simply happy CJB played better in the game than he did on practice Thursday. Sometimes a comment is just a comment with no ill intent.

Before now, JR certainly hasn't set the world on fire, but he hasn't played poorly enough to be benched. When you have a backup QB who doesn't make the reads well in practice, wouldn't you be hesitant to bring him into a game, especially when your starting QB is not the reason for your lack of success? I think our problems have been more with scheme than QB performance.
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This is where you are wrong. Jake didn't make a lot of glaring mistakes if you mean that glaring mistakes are picks. But he played bad enough to get benched because of his slow decision making and lack of will to throw downfield. Some QBs lock onto guys and can't make it through progressions, Jake rolls through progressions too fast, skipping all the way to the check down.

I said why last week and Jon picked it up this week. He doesn't have the arm strength to wait on his throws. He could throw to a spot for a guy to run to but, without zip, the D has a good shot to get there too.

Ineffective QBs get benched. Jake has been ineffective.
 
CAARHawk said:
This is where you are wrong. Jake didn't make a lot of glaring mistakes if you mean that glaring mistakes are picks. But he played bad enough to get benched because of his slow decision making and lack of will to throw downfield. Some QBs lock onto guys and can't make it through progressions, Jake rolls through progressions too fast, skipping all the way to the check down.

I said why last week and Jon picked it up this week. He doesn't have the arm strength to wait on his throws. He could throw to a spot for a guy to run to but, without zip, the D has a good shot to get there too.

Ineffective QBs get benched. Jake has been ineffective.
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He is lucky that more of his passes weren't picked this year. There were at least three downfield underthrows in the Ball St. game that would have been easy picks if the defenders would have looked back when our receiver did.
 
CAARHawk said:
PR and Political Correctness are not really the same thing.

Here is the definition of political correctness.

"The avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."

I just can't imagine any possible way CJB can fall into such a category. What you have here is tone deaf public relations.

Don't use big words you don't understand.
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lol, you do understand that English words have more than one definition, don't you? Probably not. The only ones offended here are message board KF critics.

Poltical correctness: agreeing with the idea that people should be careful to not use language or behave in a way that could offend a particular group of people.
 
blubberhawk said:
The primary worry should be about losing games to bad football teams, especially at Kinnick. Most seem to losing sight of the fact that Iowa could easily be 0-4, playing arguably one of the easiest schedules in the country. Ferentz has been horrible on the sidelines. Wish it were not true.
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The "chuggers" call the "haters" all sorts of additional names when the "haters" make "nevative" posts, even after a win. Well, you just touched on why "haters" complain, even after a win. One of the things that has caused me to lose faith in KF is that he routinely doesn't have his team prepared to start the season.

KF has been an average game day coach, at best. We ARE fortunate to be 3-1 and if it wasn't for an injury, KF apparently wasn't going to insert CJ. We COULD be 0-4.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
The "chuggers" call the "haters" all sorts of additional names when the "haters" make "nevative" posts, even after a win. Well, you just touched on why "haters" complain, even after a win. One of the things that has caused me to lose faith in KF is that he routinely doesn't have his team prepared to start the season.

KF has been an average game day coach, at best. We ARE fortunate to be 3-1 and if it wasn't for an injury, KF apparently wasn't going to insert CJ. We COULD be 0-4.
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And my aunt COULD be my uncle if she had balls, but she doesn't, so she's my aunt. We ARE 3-1.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
BINGO! It's not so much a question of Jake vs CJ. They're both good QBs and by all accounts... great kids. Jake is more a victim of the absolutely sh**** play-calling and offensive approach than anything.

Much like James Vandenberg (25-7 TD/INT ratio with KOK in 2011.. 7-8 the next year with Greg Davis) he's being destroyed by his OC.



It's the OFFENSIVE STRATEGY. for god sake's... is it that hard to see?
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It is the offensive strategy and it was greatly improved the whole Pitt game, not just the 2nd half. We played with an identity against Pitt. Not so much of that GD non-sense. Rudock's numbers were pretty good to and if Powell doesn't drop the ball, they were excellent. Although I don't think there's any question CJB has a special talent.
 
HeavenHasBeer said:
Anybody else getting deja vu circa 2005 Steve Alford from this entire thread or is it just me?
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No. Alford earned the AD heat from people with real influence? This critique of kids, and a coach that has actually accomplished things is from the echo chamber in this case. For the joker that dreams to ask KF the tough questions, buy an IClub ticket and do it. He is very accessible at these things. They aren't any more expensive than the Iowa shirt you can buy at walmart
 
As a loyal supporter of kf, this comment wasn't one of his better moments. Have to ask yourself why he went outbid his way to point out something bad about one if his players when they just stepped up for the team ad won a game. The more I think about it it was KFs way of putting the fans in check and letting them know that just because he had a good day he's not always that good and kf is still right for not starting him. Hate to speculate but IMO that's where that came from. Sadly I think he put down a player to back up his own coaching decisions. Could be wrong of course, just my shrink analysis. Not really fair to nickelbacks lead singer. Also have to wonder if the same thing would have been pointed out about jake if jake just won a game for us as well. Prob not
 
imported_ankle23 said:
I listened to this live as I listen to every game on the radio, plus the postgame.

Eddie P. and Ferentz have had similar conversations regarding practicing well not meaning you'll play well - the context about the team having a good week of practice. They talked about that both for Ball State and Iowa State - good week of practice and then playing poorly in the game. That is why Eddie P. made that reference regarding Beathard - it was a 'refrain', if you will, from prior similar conversations.

The whole context of this 'didn't play well in practice' isn't as bad as some are making it out to be. It is odd as Ferentz typically doesn't say something 'negative' about a player publicly. That being said, saying someone didn't practice well on Thursday is pretty vanilla as it comes to being criticized.

The entire context of Ferentz talking about Beathard was extremely complimentary.

If someone thinks this was Ferentz taking a shot at the 'fans' I don't think they listened to the interview and are really reaching. I don't think Eddie P. was defending Beathard either.
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Ankle, I listened to the interview live. Your statement above is fraught with suppositions and conclusions. When asked a direct question, KF did not give a response that even answered the question. KF avoided answering the question, which was, essentially, to describe and compliment CJ's play. He did so by telling the audience that "he was glad he played better than he practiced on Thursday." Really?!

You seem to be going to great lengths at damage control on this topic. The situation did not call for a sarcastic or humorous reply, if that was KF's intention, nor did it call for re-engaging on a long-standing debate between KF and EP. In front of Iowa fans on the radio, KF publicly did not compliment his qb when specifically asked to do so.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
Ankle, I listened to the interview live. Your statement above is fraught with suppositions and conclusions. When asked a direct question, KF did not give a response that even answered the question. KF avoided answering the question, which was, essentially, to describe and compliment CJ's play. He did so by telling the audience that "he was glad he played better than he practiced on Thursday." Really?!

You seem to be going to great lengths at damage control on this topic. The situation did not call for a sarcastic or humorous reply, if that was KF's intention, nor did it call for re-engaging on a long-standing debate between KF and EP. In front of Iowa fans on the radio, KF publicly did not compliment his qb when specifically asked to do so.
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Exactly right, I heard the interview live and not only were KF's initial remarks inappropriate, the dismay/frustration/relief in his tone was even worse. The question was designed to elicit praise and appreciation for CJ's performance from KF, which is what the radio audience wanted to hear. After all, CJ had only played a total of 3 plays in the first three games and he entered the game for his first series at Pitt inside his own 10 yard line, only to drive them all the way down the field for a TD, not to mention producing another 10 points in his next two possessions.

I was so glad to hear Ed P. throw KF's comment right back at him; only after Ed's comment did KF say anything complimentary about CJ's performance in their radio interview. If CJ and the team would have heard that comment live, just how deflating would that have been? If anyone needs to "execute" better, it's KF in his media appearances.
 
ATLHawkeye said:
And my aunt COULD be my uncle if she had balls, but she doesn't, so she's my aunt. We ARE 3-1.
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It is good to hear that you aunt is doing well and that she is still your aunt. Yes, we ARE 3-1. But we SHOULD BE 4-0. KF routinely does not have his team ready to play to start a season. We all know this, it's common knowledge.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
It is good to hear that you aunt is doing well and that she is still your aunt. Yes, we ARE 3-1. But we SHOULD BE 4-0. KF routinely does not have his team ready to play to start a season. We all know this, it's common knowledge.
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"You are what your record says you are" - Bill Parcells

That's all I'm saying. That, and my aunt doesn't have balls. Yeah, I know... that was kind of stupid. :)
 
CAARHawk said:
This is where you are wrong. Jake didn't make a lot of glaring mistakes if you mean that glaring mistakes are picks. But he played bad enough to get benched because of his slow decision making and lack of will to throw downfield. Some QBs lock onto guys and can't make it through progressions, Jake rolls through progressions too fast, skipping all the way to the check down.

I said why last week and Jon picked it up this week. He doesn't have the arm strength to wait on his throws. He could throw to a spot for a guy to run to but, without zip, the D has a good shot to get there too.

Ineffective QBs get benched. Jake has been ineffective.
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I said that after the Ball St game. Not sure why people didn't see it then.
 
hwk23 said:
"CJ came in and really did a great job for us. He really led our team." This is directly after the game. I've been a critic in the past but the piling on here is a bit ridiculous.

https://iowa.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1683636
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You can call it whatever you like, but our head coach completely snubbed a player on his team, live on the radio. That is inexcusable. You certainly can't deny it didn't happen. So, why do you think our head coach snubbed a player? What kind of strategy is that? How does this benefit the team or that player? It doesn't matter how many times afterwards the head coach did compliment the player, he opened the can of worms. It was a simple, benign, softball question and he swung and missed on it.
 
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