Does this team miss Matt Gatens???
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I wasn't talking about this thread in particular. I get that hereby comes off as a grumpy old man but its ridiculous how many people get so bothered by it.
MeatMan
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MeatMan
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zeller610/210*5*top10incountry,,,
yogi6-0/*4*#3pgincountry
oladipo6-4/180eatspiecesofcraplikeyouforbreakfastthanknocksdownathree
hulls6-0*4*stormingetsawoodywatchinghimshoot,,,
if yOu add up aLL the1r stars and deevide it by 7 than you still have more staars than eric may even though he has a better vertical and beard than anyone on the 1nd1ana roster because they still dontt have anyone like the TRASHMAN and he is so silky smooth on the boards and should be starting or i'm goingg to brun the building down
yogi6-0/*4*#3pgincountry
oladipo6-4/180eatspiecesofcraplikeyouforbreakfastthanknocksdownathree
hulls6-0*4*stormingetsawoodywatchinghimshoot,,,
if yOu add up aLL the1r stars and deevide it by 7 than you still have more staars than eric may even though he has a better vertical and beard than anyone on the 1nd1ana roster because they still dontt have anyone like the TRASHMAN and he is so silky smooth on the boards and should be starting or i'm goingg to brun the building down
wundergrape
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Now, I'm not a fan of trashing Hawks, but this statement is ridiculous. Gator's lucky to crack the top 20, and that's on a good day.
I would love to have him on this year's squad.
He was a shooter that was asked to do more than he was able to, which is why he was criticized. Outside of his senior season, he should have never been the best player on a Big Ten team. He also turned himself into a solid defender.
Gesell/Clemmons
Gatens/Ogs
Marble/May
White/Basabe/McCabe
Woody/Gabe (But just as often go two PFs when Woodbury is out)
That's a damn fine team.
He was a shooter that was asked to do more than he was able to, which is why he was criticized. Outside of his senior season, he should have never been the best player on a Big Ten team. He also turned himself into a solid defender.
Gesell/Clemmons
Gatens/Ogs
Marble/May
White/Basabe/McCabe
Woody/Gabe (But just as often go two PFs when Woodbury is out)
That's a damn fine team.
sportstalent
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Matt Gatens was the lightning rod for all Iowa basketball failure for four years, so it isn't a surprise that people would still have the opinion, strong as they are, that Iowa doesn't miss him this season.
Lets take a look at what Iowa struggles with the most...uh, 3-pt shooting yet again. If you can rationally believe that Matt Gatens would not help this team out a lot you are plain crazy. I am not saying Gatens is one of the best players, or shooters in Iowa's history but look at it this way.
Gatens became a capable defender, Gesell to date, is not. Gatens is 6-5 and did not need a lot of room to shoot, a lot of Iowa's shooters today have to be wide open to shoot. Not one year in his career was his assist to turnover ratio negative. As much as people say Gasser is a big loss for Wisconsin, Gatens was a bigger loss and yes, he graduated and that is what players do after 4/5 years depending on if they redshirt.
Matt Gatens will be one of the most under appreciated players ever to walk through Carver. His first coach wanted him to be a 6'5" PF on a team that couldn't create offense against sixth graders. His Jr. season, first with Fran, he has to have hand surgery and came back too soon, only to be questioned because "he wasn't consistent" it is a joke that the criticisms he had in his career.
The only knock on Gatens was he wasn't a No. 1 option, but he had to be on a talentless roster that had constant turnover under a coach that had no sense of how to build a program. That is why he had such a good Sr. year, others stepped up and Matt didn't force shots and make careless drives to black holes as it was never his game to begin with.
Just because he played when Iowa was at its worst, it doesn't overshadow what he accomplished in his career where he was the only viable player on the roster for his first two seasons on campus. I can see someone bringing up JK, but he was more of a rolly coaster than Gatens ever was and had a stretch similar to what Gatens did his Sr season to end his last season at Iowa.
Lets take a look at what Iowa struggles with the most...uh, 3-pt shooting yet again. If you can rationally believe that Matt Gatens would not help this team out a lot you are plain crazy. I am not saying Gatens is one of the best players, or shooters in Iowa's history but look at it this way.
Gatens became a capable defender, Gesell to date, is not. Gatens is 6-5 and did not need a lot of room to shoot, a lot of Iowa's shooters today have to be wide open to shoot. Not one year in his career was his assist to turnover ratio negative. As much as people say Gasser is a big loss for Wisconsin, Gatens was a bigger loss and yes, he graduated and that is what players do after 4/5 years depending on if they redshirt.
Matt Gatens will be one of the most under appreciated players ever to walk through Carver. His first coach wanted him to be a 6'5" PF on a team that couldn't create offense against sixth graders. His Jr. season, first with Fran, he has to have hand surgery and came back too soon, only to be questioned because "he wasn't consistent" it is a joke that the criticisms he had in his career.
The only knock on Gatens was he wasn't a No. 1 option, but he had to be on a talentless roster that had constant turnover under a coach that had no sense of how to build a program. That is why he had such a good Sr. year, others stepped up and Matt didn't force shots and make careless drives to black holes as it was never his game to begin with.
Just because he played when Iowa was at its worst, it doesn't overshadow what he accomplished in his career where he was the only viable player on the roster for his first two seasons on campus. I can see someone bringing up JK, but he was more of a rolly coaster than Gatens ever was and had a stretch similar to what Gatens did his Sr season to end his last season at Iowa.
wundergrape
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I agree with everything in this post but the above statement. Just for the record, I believe that this Iowa squad would be much, much better with Gatens. However, the fact that we already have a post in this thread referring to him as "one of the best basketball players in Iowa history" proves the inaccuracy of this sentence. Perhaps people are making up for the fact that he was underrated for so long (and don't get me wrong - he was), but he currently, and I suspect moving forward, is quite overrated. I have Gatens in the 30th best all-time range. Ask most people today, and they'll tell you he deserves to be higher than that.
sportstalent
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Grape, there are always people that have not seen much basketball, or are always on one side of the spectrum or the other as far as good and bad, so one person saying he was one of the greatest, doesn't surprise me.
As many threads that were started in the short time I have been here about all that Gatens can't do, rather than what he developed into just amazed me and with the situation he was put into.
I would agree with your top 30 assessment, he was a good player who most never thought he would sniff 1,000 pts and ever be a player that could defend. Matt was always a good passer and made pretty good decisions, he is one of those players that I think, "I wish he had one more year." Never a superstar, but a very good player.
wundergrape
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Fair enough, but I think the propensity to exalt him is far more widespread than you are aware. I agree that watching Gatens in February last year was a phenomenal, cathartic experience. Also, I don't want anyone to misunderstand me - I'm a Gatens guy - he's done a lot and sacrificed more for our program. It's just fascinating perpetually misunderstood he is.
Just because a handful of BB idiots hammered on Matt,it does not mean it was 80% of the fanbase or any message board. And they are idiots anyway,so who cares?
Matt personally raised Iowa up on his shoulders last year with his hot shooting, allowing them to gain critical respect around the league and nationally with 4 wins over top 25 teams. That allowed them to make the NIT and I suspect will be looked back on as a very important year in Fran's run at Iowa.
Is Matt missed? Oh yea. With him in the lineup this team challenges for top 5 in the league.
Without him,probably more like a 7th or 8th slot team....in other words,the difference between making the NCAA tourny and not...is Matt Gatens.
Matt personally raised Iowa up on his shoulders last year with his hot shooting, allowing them to gain critical respect around the league and nationally with 4 wins over top 25 teams. That allowed them to make the NIT and I suspect will be looked back on as a very important year in Fran's run at Iowa.
Is Matt missed? Oh yea. With him in the lineup this team challenges for top 5 in the league.
Without him,probably more like a 7th or 8th slot team....in other words,the difference between making the NCAA tourny and not...is Matt Gatens.
iahawks912
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Day=Made
Johnnyhawkeye
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One word....Lickliter
tm3308
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Again, Marble wasn't the focus of the Oregon defense. Gatens was. Credit to Marble for taking advantage, but he didn't impose his will on Oregon. Gatens imposed his will on Indiana and Wisconsin.
Was he a superstar? No. But he turned himself into a damn good player who would have a lot to offer this team.
Gesell/Clemmons
Gatens
Marble
White
Woody
That is a damn scary lineup. And Gatens' defense would be a big help, too. Gesell will be a good defender, I think, but he's not there right now.
Agree but I would say that gesell is a better defender at the 2 spot than he was at the 1. Not great but serviceable.
Gatens 6'5 vs Marble at 6'7, I don't see Marble having problems getting his shot.
Marble vs Gatens , Marble can play the 1,2 and 3 vs Gatens playing the 2-3.
at what point does a coach go from stupid on his defensive alignment to finally getting smart enough to see who is lighting his team up.
37 minutes 10-15 from the field 7-8 from 3
this is what makes this so funny
Gatens, Indiana stats
10-18 from the field and 7-10 from 3 and he is suddenly a can't replace type player, and Marble is a ho hum player
Marble vs Gatens , Marble can play the 1,2 and 3 vs Gatens playing the 2-3.
at what point does a coach go from stupid on his defensive alignment to finally getting smart enough to see who is lighting his team up.
37 minutes 10-15 from the field 7-8 from 3
this is what makes this so funny
Gatens, Indiana stats
10-18 from the field and 7-10 from 3 and he is suddenly a can't replace type player, and Marble is a ho hum player
Hawkeye11en1
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When did anyone say anything about him being irreplaceable and marble being ho-hum?
Tmoney12
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What?
tm3308
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Classic Herby. Not one single person said Marble was ho-hum. You simply aren't remotely capable of recognizing a different opinion as anything more than blasphemy.
Marble's hardly ho-hum. But he also has yet to prove himself as a great shooter. He's had a couple great games, but hasn't shot particularly well from deep outside of those games.
The two also don't/didn't play the same position, so I don't get why Marble's height is relevant at all.
