How important is a 6' rule when you're trapped inside a subway with a bunch of other people anyway? Is there even a small difference in odds of getting the virus if someone is 5' away instead of 6? You're all still breathing the same air and touching the same things.
Are you personally worried about getting the Coronavirus?
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How important is a 6' rule when you're trapped inside a subway with a bunch of other people anyway? Is there even a small difference in odds of getting the virus if someone is 5' away instead of 6? You're all still breathing the same air and touching the same things.
Yeah you better wear gloves or bring the Purell. But a lot of people in NYC and areas right around it do not own cars, do not even have drivers licenses so if they need to get somewhere the bus or subway might be their only option except for hoofing it.
HawkGold
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Many things we don't have control over. Obesity we do. If you are injured, get laid off and can't find health coverage job, you are screwed.
As far as obesity please see about Leptin a chemical produced in our bodies that regulate body fat and also tells our brains when we are full from eating (satiety). People have genetic problems with Leptin and people are Leptin resistant, like with insulin resistance, so their brains do not see themselves as full from food. Cortisol also acts in this way because it detects blood sugar levels and can not work properly. There have been a ton of diet and eating studies with identical twins, fraternal twins, prisoners fasting then eating normal and seeing where their weight goes back to, etc etc and much of obesity is found to be genetic and hormonal.
PBS Nova just had a great science show on fat etc where they show at least one person with some Leptin disease who cannot stop eating because there is no signal to the brain to say you dont need to eat but rather they feel like they are super hungry. Excellent documentary.
NOVA: The Truth About Fat
www.wgbh.org/program/nova/the-truth-about-fat
NOVA: The Truth About Fat Scientists are coming to understand fat as a dynamic organ—one whose size may have more to do with biological processes than personal choices. Explore the mysteries of fat and its role in hormone production, hunger, and even pregnancy.
Below From Wikipedia, various science shows, a book I have by a cardiologist and diet specialist:
Leptin (from Greek λεπτός leptos, "thin") is a hormone predominantly made by adipose cells and enterocytes in the small intestine that helps to regulate energy balance by inhibiting hunger, which in turn diminishes fat storage in adipocytes. Leptin acts on cell receptors in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus.[6]
Although regulation of fat stores is deemed to be the primary function of leptin, it also plays a role in other physiological processes, as evidenced by its many sites of synthesis other than fat cells, and the many cell types beyond hypothalamic cells that have leptin receptors. Many of these additional functions are yet to be defined.[7][8][9][10][11][12]
In obesity, a decreased sensitivity to leptin occurs (similar to insulin resistance in type 2 diabetes), resulting in an inability to detect satiety despite high energy stores and high levels of leptin.[13]
Although leptin reduces appetite as a circulating signal, obese individuals generally exhibit a higher circulating concentration of leptin than normal weight individuals due to their higher percentage body fat.[12] These people show resistance to leptin, similar to resistance of insulin in type 2 diabetes, with the elevated levels failing to control hunger and modulate their weight. A number of explanations have been proposed to explain this. An important contributor to leptin resistance is changes to leptin receptor signalling, particularly in the arcuate nucleus, however, deficiency of, or major changes to, the leptin receptor itself are not thought to be a major cause. Triglycerides crossing the blood brain barrier (BBB) can induce leptin and insulin resistance in the hypothalamus.[18] Triglycerides can also impair leptin transport across the BBB.[18]
HawkGold
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Sounds like a pharma funded study. So we are genetically evolving fatter?
I have 4 sibs all of which are obese yo morbidly obese. If I ate what they eat I would be obese. I'm in quite good shape. My parents were diabetic. At lots of processed foods. My brother has had bypass surgery.
There maybe tendencies, but for most you are what you eat.
The huge bent toward obesity happened about 25 years ago. Farm chems and genetic alterations occured.
Before I went low carb and organic, My bmi was 25 or slightly higher, had good sugar borderline issues, and some cholesterol issues. BP was borderline. I have perfect readings though I do see some change when I peanut butter binge.
Blood sugar feeds the hunger cycle. That is the rest of the Liptin story.
Definitely you are right about about our food supplies especially the white starchy foods and the fructose corn sugar and other sugars added to a lot of processed foods. Genetics and hormonal imbalances play a big part of it and how our cells react to sugar, our brain reacts to Leptin etc.
As far as family I know what you mean. I was fine until I reached 45 years old and then boom the weight gain started. I have two older brothers who are a few inches shorter than me, not that that is causal, but they have been big eaters like me all their lives and they can hardly and have hardly gained weight. I gained weight just like my dad did when he was in his 40's. Lots of diabetes in my dad and his siblings and they were all heavy when older but even with my higher weight I am not diabetic (maybe due to some genetics I got from my mom).
it is way more complicated than just every obese person putting down their fork and spoon.
Anyway back onto the thread topic although obesity is part of the covid 19 picture.
okeefe4prez
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I'm 42 and in reasonably good shape. I went on a cruise out of Port Canaveral in late January. Got sick 5 days after my return. The cruise was a mega boat with like 5000 passengers from all corners of the globe. It wasn't the worst cold I ever had (that honor goes to a NYC subway cold I caught at my brother's 40th back in February 2013), but the chest pain I had was bad enough that I was 1 day away from going to the doctor. My trips to the doctor are for things like "I tore the cartilage in my knee and need surgery" and "I have a kidney stone." So not a light decision. It felt like someone was sitting on my chest. I was completely out of commission for 2.5 days. Couldn't get out of bed, lung capacity maybe 50%, couldn't eat. I couldn't work out for over a week because every time I did I would burst into wheezy coughing spells after 2-3 minutes of cardio. I couldn't go to events because I would break into massive dry coughing spells at random times for about 3 weeks after I got better. And neither my wife nor my kid got sick at all, but my sickness was bad enough that my old lady, who watches NHK news out of Tokyo everyday and has been at DEFCON 1 level of paranoia since January, was concerned enough by my symptoms to skip that week of work and hold my boy out of school out of an abundance of caution.
I might have had bronchitis, but as soon as there are reliable antibody tests, I'm getting one. The shit I had absolutely would have had a good chance of killing an octogenarian. And it was unlike any chest cold I've ever had because I had some mucus, but I wasn't able to hack giant quantities of phlegm like I normally can to clear out a chest cold and a humidifier didn't seem to loosen my chest up at all.
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SteveGarvey1
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Where have you been the last 3 1/2 years?
SteveGarvey1
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It's hard.
I know. But to keep your man-card come up with 2-4 things that you believe strongly about and stick to your guns on those. Give up on the more trivial things.
ssckelley
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I try to avoid politics, this just happened to be on television this morning that my wife was watching.
Yep, I said about 2 weeks ago on this thread it would be wise to invest in zinc. They may have to open up the old zinc mines in SW Wisconsin. It's also a key ingredient in Airborne which is what a lot of people take to build up their immune system before they travel. I found some 50 mg tablets of zinc on the bottom of shelf of the grocery store at that same time and having been taking it every third day. Too much zinc is not good for you either so listen to your doctor's advice on that.
Pretty bad fever? I have heard of people who have RSV or pleurisy that is really bad. But you had it and do you actually want it to have been covid so you might be past it?
Pleurisy
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This article is about the disease. For the plant known as "pleurisy root", see Butterfly weed.
Pleurisy
Other names Pleuritis, pleuritic chest pain[1]
Symptoms Sharp chest pain[1]
Causes Viral infection, pneumonia, pulmonary embolism[2]
Diagnostic method Chest X-ray, electrocardiogram (ECG), blood tests[3]
Differential diagnosis Pericarditis, heart attack, cholecystitis[3]
Treatment Based on the underlying cause[3]
Medication Paracetamol (acetaminophen), ibuprofen[4]
Frequency 1 million cases per year (United States)[5]
Pleurisy, also known as pleuritis, is inflammation of the membranes that surround the lungs and line the chest cavity (pleurae).[1] This can result in a sharp chest pain while breathing.[1] Occasionally the pain may be a constant dull ache.[6] Other symptoms may include shortness of breath, cough, fever or weight loss, depending on the underlying cause.[6]
I think that's one of the key differences to what we are saying in NY vs California for example, which had a relatively minor outbreak. Cali has twice the population as NY, but most hop in their car to commute to work or the grocery store. There is no comparison of the risk potential of sitting in your own car vs. riding in a jam packed train with thousands of your "closest" friends. Californians (and us in fly over country) also don't live in massive high rises where they are riding an elevator several times a week which is another incubator for the virus. Living in wide open spaces looks pretty wise these days.
Dr. Anthony Cardillo, the guy being interviewed and offering the advice, is actually an MD and CEO of Med Urgent Care in Los Angeles.Taking medical advice from chiropractors on how to treat respiratory illnesses now?
Ree4
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Yep I saw that. Yesterday it was azithromycin, today it's zinc. Leeches tomorrow? I'm anxiously awaiting the results of their clinical trials. Hope it works!
I can't wait to see who the first idiot is to eat some desitin because of a zinc shortage.
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