Will We Have Football in the Fall?

[Fryowa]

You're not the boss of me.

Yes I am. Whether you acknowledge it or not is up to you, but I am.

 

[CP87]

Even the SEC would have to pull the plug if the NCAA said so. They'd lose too much money. No way the NCAA would allow one P5 conference to continue and risk the public shit storm that would follow. And the first time a player with deep-pocketed parents sues the SEC and NCAA as co-respondents because their kid got sick, any benefit to playing football would be gone.

A few others have mentioned that this might force a division between NCAA and PF football. There are already some schisms there (college football playoffs are not managed by NCAA), but this deal might blow the whole thing wide open in a way that kills our current collegiate amateur-sports model.

I generally think that would be a good thing in the long run, but who knows the totality of the effects.

 

[Xerxes]

It might be that way in theory, but not in practice. If a kid fails a drug test or gets caught taking money, or rapes someone, the conference can obviously punish him but it's moot because the NCAA carries the big sledge hammer. They're the ones who impose sanctions on schools, vacate wins, ban players, hand out punishments, etc.

If the NCAA came out and said, "We think organized sports should not be played at the present time," and the SEC forged ahead, what do you think individual athletic departments are going to do if threatened with losing their NCAA membership? It's not like they're gonna give the NCAA the middle finger and have their own collegiate version of the XFL with a 14 team separate league.

I think people underestimate the power the NCAA has. It's staggering

Do you think the NCAA fears the possibility of the P5 conferences joining together and leaving? Particularly in the scenario of the NCAA stepping and telling conferences/schools what to do?

 

[Ree4]

The officials would actually hear the fouls too. There's no doubt the game would have better officiating. The only downside to that is with better officiating, we would have to watch ISU go undefeated and win a national title.

Haha yeah when Wieskamp gets slapped across both arms on a layup should be easy to call. If only the game at the Barn a few years ago had no fans, Brady Ellingson's TO "might" have actually been called!

 

[okeefe4prez]

At the end of the day the NCAA is Boss Hogg of all collegiate sports.

Let's just say hypothetically that the SEC (or any conference) is the only P5 that wants to try andplay football...

The NCAA has every single card in the deck in their pockets. They could un-sanction sports and athletes. Pull revenue. Influence advertisers. They could pseudo-ban officials from working the games by blackballing them in the future (whether overtly or implied). And the minute the NCAA made a public statement saying gathering for practices or games is dangerous to student health the whole thing would get shit-canned. You think any athletes are going to step on a field or court if the NCAA says if they do they'll get banned from collegiate sports?

The NCAA has the power to put any conference or school on a desolate island all by itself with no money or public support. It's a huge, multi-billion dollar corporation and no school or conference is gonna stop it if it wants to do something.

Like a lot of what you have to say, this is complete and utter bullshit. The single most important legal issue hands down and bar none for the NCAA is avoiding antitrust litigation. The NCAA got murdered by the Supreme Court in the '80's on a restraint of trade case for violating the Sherman Act and the Clayton Act with their ridiculous TV rules for football games and if they did any of the litany of horribles you mentioned beyond issuing an opinion that they think it is too early to play, they would get neutered in an antitrust lawsuit. The NCAA is a per se monopoly and if they abuse their market power they are absolutely going to get sued. And antitrust violations have the potential for treble damages. There is no god damned way they are going to risk getting sued somewhere in Alabama, Florida or Georgia and then have an appeal heard in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. It would be suicide. The base damages would be dollar for dollar of lost revenue of the programs that wanted to play and then multiplied by 3. With the treble damages, it would shatter the billion dollar threshold set by the American Tobacco verdict.

 

[Fryowa]

Do you think the NCAA fears the possibility of the P5 conferences joining together and leaving? Particularly in the scenario of the NCAA stepping and telling conferences/schools what to do?

The chances of getting 65 schools to agree on administrative issues and a million other topics, hiring employees to replace NCAA responsibilities, etc. are infinitesimally small. The NCAA evolved slowly over many decades into the monster it is now and it's a regulatory and promotional juggernaut. There's no way to clean slate something like that and have it be effective. Think about this...

In FY2019 the NCAA took in over a billion dollars, and paid D1 schools $590M. It spent $54M on outside attorney fees alone. People don't realize that the NCAA would leave too big of a vacuum if it somehow went away. Moot point anyway, IMO.

 

[Fryowa]

Like a lot of what you have to say, this is complete and utter bullshit. The single most important legal issue hands down and bar none for the NCAA is avoiding antitrust litigation. The NCAA got murdered by the Supreme Court in the '80's on a restraint of trade case for violating the Sherman Act and the Clayton Act with their ridiculous TV rules for football games and if they did any of the litany of horribles you mentioned beyond issuing an opinion that they think it is too early to play, they would get neutered in an antitrust lawsuit. The NCAA is a per se monopoly and if they abuse their market power they are absolutely going to get sued. And antitrust violations have the potential for treble damages. There is no god damned way they are going to risk getting sued somewhere in Alabama, Florida or Georgia and then have an appeal heard in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. It would be suicide. The base damages would be dollar for dollar of lost revenue of the programs that wanted to play and then multiplied by 3. With the treble damages, it would shatter the billion dollar threshold set by the American Tobacco verdict.

You have a serious comprehension problem. Lawsuit liability is exactly one of the reasons I've mentioned in several posts as to why there won't be football, making the points I mentioned moot. If you read the other posts you see as much.

You're a smart enough guy to understand that "issuing an opinion" would be more than enough to frighten a conference into compliance (whether that's right or wrong is another debate). You're taking theory and technicality and confusing it with reality. The two couldn't be more different. Could they get sued for strong-arming schools into cancelling sports? Absolutely. Will they? No f'n chance, especially when that strong-arming would be in the interest of being conservative in regards to safety.

You've done this before where you keyboard-vomit a post and then realize later that you completely whiffed on what was being discussed. Is it the stock car fumes building up to a high PPM in your head finally? I mean, I get it that you squidbillies don't like Yankees talking bad about your jalopy races, but jesus, dude. Keep up with the conversation.

 

[Fryowa]

Like a lot of what you have to say, this is complete and utter bullshit. The single most important legal issue hands down and bar none for the NCAA is avoiding antitrust litigation. The NCAA got murdered by the Supreme Court in the '80's on a restraint of trade case for violating the Sherman Act and the Clayton Act with their ridiculous TV rules for football games and if they did any of the litany of horribles you mentioned beyond issuing an opinion that they think it is too early to play, they would get neutered in an antitrust lawsuit. The NCAA is a per se monopoly and if they abuse their market power they are absolutely going to get sued. And antitrust violations have the potential for treble damages. There is no god damned way they are going to risk getting sued somewhere in Alabama, Florida or Georgia and then have an appeal heard in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. It would be suicide. The base damages would be dollar for dollar of lost revenue of the programs that wanted to play and then multiplied by 3. With the treble damages, it would shatter the billion dollar threshold set by the American Tobacco verdict.

And btw, are you guys still able to get ribs and pork butt and shit? Maybe one out of four trips to the store can I get anything to smoke where I'm at.

 

[okeefe4prez]

You have a serious comprehension problem. Lawsuit liability is exactly one of the reasons I've mentioned in several posts as to why there won't be football, making the points I mentioned moot. If you read the other posts you see as much.

You're a smart enough guy to understand that "issuing an opinion" would be more than enough to frighten a conference into compliance (whether that's right or wrong is another debate). You're taking theory and technicality and confusing it with reality. The two couldn't be more different. Could they get sued for strong-arming schools into cancelling sports? Absolutely. Will they? No f'n chance, especially when that strong-arming would be in the interest of being conservative in regards to safety.

You've done this before where you keyboard-vomit a post and then realize later that you completely whiffed on what was being discussed. Is it the stock car fumes building up to a high PPM in your head finally? I mean, I get it that you squidbillies don't like Yankees talking bad about your jalopy races, but jesus, dude. Keep up with the conversation.

No, you specifically listed a host of things the NCAA could do to prevent schools from playing intercollegiate football. I'm just saying the NCAA has a host of antitrust lawyers on staff who are going to make it abundantly clear that the NCAA not undertake any one of those actions beyond issuing a memo. The schools will get waivers and shit from athletes and those will be governed by state law in states where having a rogue activist judge is highly unlikely. They are big boys and can deal with their own litigation risk. The NCAA can't get around its massive antitrust litigation risk so if the SEC wants to play, which again, I think is under 50% likelihood, there is jack shit the NCAA can do to actually stop it.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

The chances of getting 65 schools to agree on administrative issues and a million other topics, hiring employees to replace NCAA responsibilities, etc. are infinitesimally small. The NCAA evolved slowly over many decades into the monster it is now and it's a regulatory and promotional juggernaut. There's no way to clean slate something like that and have it be effective. Think about this...

In FY2019 the NCAA took in over a billion dollars, and paid D1 schools $590M. It spent $54M on outside attorney fees alone. People don't realize that the NCAA would leave too big of a vacuum if it somehow went away. Moot point anyway, IMO.

They're corrupt but they're not stupid, the NCAA. It's almost like divide and conquer.

 

[okeefe4prez]

And btw, are you guys still able to get ribs and pork butt and shit? Maybe one out of four trips to the store can I get anything to smoke where I'm at.

Yes, everything is still plentiful. We had shortages in the early days when people were stockpiling freezers, but on Saturday I got a 10 pound shoulder for $12. Deep frozen ribs are also abundant. Prices are up, but they are abundant. Fresh are in shorter supply, but I have found that the deep frozen ones are actually better than the fresh ones.

 

[RobHowe]

Father's of a couple Hawkeye starters worried about sending sons back to Iowa City.

 

[Fryowa]

Father's of a couple Hawkeye starters worried about sending sons back to Iowa City. View attachment 6751

I don't think they'll have to worry about it to be honest; I just can't see football happening.

 

[Fryowa]

Yes, everything is still plentiful. We had shortages in the early days when people were stockpiling freezers, but on Saturday I got a 10 pound shoulder for $12. Deep frozen ribs are also abundant. Prices are up, but they are abundant. Fresh are in shorter supply, but I have found that the deep frozen ones are actually better than the fresh ones.

I can't get squat here.

It's hoarding though, not supply issues. I don't get off work in time to get to any store near me before the scum bags have cleared it out.

I talked to the guy at the meat counter I patronize and he told me that even though his store has a limit of three items per purchase, he gets the same 8-10 soccer moms who come in and get meat every single day and throw it in their freezers.

 

[kicker22]

So here's a few things that just popped into my head.

(1) At what point do the universities have to make a decision? Obviously here is an overwhelming concern of whether it's safe for those involved to return to campus that is out of the control of the athletes and the families. At the same time though, universities owe it to their athletes to have a plan protect the athletes and participants (or equally as in important concerning whether or not there will even be a season) before expecting those athletes to return to summer. We're still months out from the start of the season, but at the same time the clock is ticking and time may quickly be running out.

(2) How do you address the nightmare of how to move forward if only certain conferences or schools decide to follow through with having a season while others don't? How would this affect things such as available scholarships? How would you address the eligibility of those students (primarily upperclassmen) potentially having the option of red-shirting when you could essentially have two years worth of incoming freshman entering the program when things take off again?

Or how the ramifications of how recruiting would be when comparing schools that chose to play against schools that decided it was in their best interest to shut things down. Or more importantly the impact of how rosters and scholarships, let alone programs and conferences as a whole, would be affected across the board if programs couldn't afford to reopen their facilities in the event that next season was cancelled.

Regardless of whether or not there is a fall season, the dynamics of college football may never be the same again.

 

[Fryowa]

I dont know Fry. I just checked out that wasteland link and I'm not sure that's for me. I've actually got a real life. I've always been a little embarrassed about how much time I spend on here, but my love for talking Hawkeye sports is too big to not want more than what I get out of real life. I enjoy talking all the other stuff, but only when the opportunity presents itself.

This was the perfect middle ground for discussing it in smaller doses. Choosing between actively going to a political board and never discussing it at all is a tough call, but I'm leaning towards never discussing it at all.

Now you have to go join.

@Chickenlounge has fallen on the sword for you and started it.

And he's done so on the one topic I've probably spent the most time thinking and reading about in my entire life.

 

[Fryowa]

So here's a few things that just popped into my head.

(1) At what point do the universities have to make a decision? Obviously here is an overwhelming concern of whether it's safe for those involved to return to campus that is out of the control of the athletes and the families. At the same time though, universities owe it to their athletes to have a plan protect the athletes and participants (or equally as in important concerning whether or not there will even be a season) before expecting those athletes to return to summer. We're still months out from the start of the season, but at the same time the clock is ticking and time may quickly be running out.

(2) How do you address the nightmare of how to move forward if only certain conferences or schools decide to follow through with having a season while others don't? How would this affect things such as available scholarships? How would you address the eligibility of those students (primarily upperclassmen) potentially having the option of red-shirting when you could essentially have two years worth of incoming freshman entering the program when things take off again?

Or how the ramifications of how recruiting would be when comparing schools that chose to play against schools that decided it was in their best interest to shut things down. Or more importantly the impact of how rosters and scholarships, let alone programs and conferences as a whole, would be affected across the board if programs couldn't afford to reopen their facilities in the event that next season was cancelled.

Regardless of whether or not there is a fall season, the dynamics of college football may never be the same again.

I think the whole deal is that all of your questions are ones that have to be answered, but 1) no one knows what the best answers are, and 2) no one wants to be the first one to jump in the pool because the consequences are so severe for fucking up.

We have the most complicated Mexican standoff in sports history going on right now.

 

[kicker22]

I think the whole deal is that all of your questions are ones that have to be answered, but 1) no one knows what the best answers are, and 2) no one wants to be the first one to jump in the pool because the consequences are so severe for fucking up.

We have the most complicated Mexican standoff in sports history going on right now.

Agreed...and no matter when the trigger gets pulled they'll be major ramifications that could be detrimental to some if not all of the players involved. I'm definitely interested to see how it's handled, but not the slightest bit optimistic.

 

[1hawkeye1]

Yes I am. Whether you acknowledge it or not is up to you, but I am.

I'd like to file a grievance.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

NOT MEANT TO BE A POLITICAL POST-But Georgia reopened their state 2 1/2 weeks and there hasn't been an uptick in cases. Yet anyway. Just a ray of hope about football next fall is the point.