SirJamaLot
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Texas is not going to a conference where they have to share equal tv payments, they will either keep the big 12 alive or go independent, equal revenue sharing is not in their constitution, just ask A&M or nebby
Will the Big 1G Look South?
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Texas is not going to a conference where they have to share equal tv payments, they will either keep the big 12 alive or go independent, equal revenue sharing is not in their constitution, just ask A&M or nebby
Short of joining the NFL Texas CANNOT make more money than joining the B1G with ND and allowing the BTN to go national.
Nothing even comes close.
Do the math...
B1G is at ~$7M/yr each member from the BTN.
Now triple that for the increase in subscriber fees....$21M/yr
Now double that for the increase in households...$42M/yr
Those numbers are from the BTN ONLY
Texas would need 3 Longhorn Networks to touch that.
uofihawkInation
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Notre Dame is the obvious first choice. Rutgers and UCONN would be good adds, because Rutgers opens up markets in New Jersey. BC and Maryland do the same in the DC/Balt regions. But Pitt doesn't open much honestly. Penn St pretty much runs that entire state and the only market that Pitt would open, would be Pittsburgh itself.
Precisely.
HawkeyeMike23
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I basically agree with the exception of BC and Pitt. I said this before, but I think they would go after Notre Dame first then some combination of Maryland, Rutgers, Uconn and Syracuse.
If the SEC expands to 14, you can bet the PAC 12 will work to expand if they aren't already. The Superconference era seems to be coming like it or not. So if the Big 1G can't get ND should they still look to add other major markets? Yes members would get less from BTN but the competition for major tv deals could be furious and the Big 1G wants to get as many eyeballs on tv sets as possible
I am saying in the end the conference could make more money by adding the right teams and renegotiating a deal with ESPN and increasing their overall revenue per team. I honestly have no idea if this is possible
Sorry for not using the quote function, don't know how on iPhone
Sorry for not using the quote function, don't know how on iPhone
HawkeyeDenis
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I doubt that the B10 would even bother with Texas. The cost of adding Texas would probably be too high. Oklahoma would probably appeal to most B10 fans.
The B12 is the conference that needs to look for new teams not the B10. With the defection of Nebraska, the B12 is Texas and everyone else. If they want to survive as a conference they need to talk to ND among others.
The B12 is the conference that needs to look for new teams not the B10. With the defection of Nebraska, the B12 is Texas and everyone else. If they want to survive as a conference they need to talk to ND among others.
SpecialKHawk
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You are not considering the future moving forward because you are evaluating expansion using today's dollars, contracts and conference power configurations. The B1G would be incredibly stupid and possibly destablize itself by standing pat if the Pac 12 & SEC expand beyond 12. One major conference for certain will be left holding the bag and right now it's either the Big East or the Big 12.
What you are not considering is market size[eye balls] and inventory when you add future teams. Both translate into more dollars when TV contracts, fees, etc. because you have more to offer. In some large regions in this country the B1G, like the Pac 12 & SEC may have monopolies on inventory of major college football. You must know what monopoly means in terms of charging for your product.
I do agree that ND and Texas are the ultimate #1's because they provide the most dollar outcomes period. I'm fearful of Texas but they will be forced to join under the current sharing environment of the B1G or not at all.
Texas and ND are going to find themselves in a possibly a precarious position. By losing A&M & Nebraska that's already a major prestige hit to the conference. It won't be too long before outside pundits will be knocking the conference's strength of schedule, etc. From a pure prestige factor alone Texas is going to be mocked and will be very upset by this. They will not put up with being in an 'inferior' conference and I think their only moves are to leave for another super conference or go independent. The independent thing is going to be tough if super conferences are formed though. All of these conferences could shut them out in terms of scheduling and a potential playoff bids will be dominated by these conferences on the basis of strength of schedule. The same holds true for ND.
In the end even if it means less money in the short-term the B1G must expand or risk being left out in the cold. Expansion will also force the hand of Texas and ND.
B1G and Delaney have already done their homework and have a list including ND and Texas. They will start adding in piece-meal form to turn the screws up each time to Texas and ND.
Going to be so interesting.....
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hawkfan1319
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Well if we want to be also looking for another conference after the Big 10 is destroyed in 10 years I say hell yeah add Texas 
I agree with everything you wrote.
You clearly understand the dynamics at work.
I would add that I have some suspicions that Texas is quite complicit in each and every action that is happening right now. Meaning I wonder if they're working with the B1G.
SpecialKHawk
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LOL... Texas won't be added unless they come in under the guidelines of the B1G. Not saying they will join under that premise but they have to seriously figure out what they are going to do. If they are sitting there in the new Big9 + houston/smu/louisville while 4 other superconferences form that are in deep do-do also.
Keep in mind that Texas A&M's move is a huge issue now for Texas. The SEC has a foot-hold into Texas and Texas A&M also gets a great leg-up in terms of recruiting within Texas by membership in the SEC.
Keep in mind that Texas A&M's move is a huge issue now for Texas. The SEC has a foot-hold into Texas and Texas A&M also gets a great leg-up in terms of recruiting within Texas by membership in the SEC.
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83Hawk
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1. Texas will never be in the Big 10. Never, ever, never.
2. Neither will Oklahoma. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will likely be a package deal, and I doubt they would be invited to the Big 10.
3. The Big 10 doesn't need to expand. No matter if there are other "Super" conferences...the Big 10 will survive just fine as is.
4. *If* the Big 10 ever expands in the future, I don't think it would be any higher than 14 teams. Notre Dame may get one final chance...if they ask to join I can see them and either Pitt or Missouri. If no Notre Dame, then Missouri and Pitt.
5. Rutgers, UCONN, Syracuse, etc. bring NOTHING. There may be a few more TV sets, but nobody cares about those FB teams. Adding them would lower the power/prestige of the Big 10 and I don't see it happening. Not that Missouri and Pitt are all that great..but they are better than the aforementioned. And you can forget about any team from Virginia, the Carolinas, Maryland, etc.
I don't want the Big 10 to expand any futher....but if they did, the ideal would be Oklahoma (if they could be had without OSU) for the Legends Division, and Notre Dame for the Leaders. That would make the Big 10 head and shoulders above ANY other conference you could cobble together. It would be the PREMIER conference, and the TV contract would be dazzling.
Can you imagine the resumption of the annual Oklahoma-Nebraska game? Not to mention having Notre Dame back on Iowa's schedule on a regular basis? Can you imagine 6 of the top 10 or 12 most storied football franchises in NCAA history all in the Big 10?
2. Neither will Oklahoma. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will likely be a package deal, and I doubt they would be invited to the Big 10.
3. The Big 10 doesn't need to expand. No matter if there are other "Super" conferences...the Big 10 will survive just fine as is.
4. *If* the Big 10 ever expands in the future, I don't think it would be any higher than 14 teams. Notre Dame may get one final chance...if they ask to join I can see them and either Pitt or Missouri. If no Notre Dame, then Missouri and Pitt.
5. Rutgers, UCONN, Syracuse, etc. bring NOTHING. There may be a few more TV sets, but nobody cares about those FB teams. Adding them would lower the power/prestige of the Big 10 and I don't see it happening. Not that Missouri and Pitt are all that great..but they are better than the aforementioned. And you can forget about any team from Virginia, the Carolinas, Maryland, etc.
I don't want the Big 10 to expand any futher....but if they did, the ideal would be Oklahoma (if they could be had without OSU) for the Legends Division, and Notre Dame for the Leaders. That would make the Big 10 head and shoulders above ANY other conference you could cobble together. It would be the PREMIER conference, and the TV contract would be dazzling.
Can you imagine the resumption of the annual Oklahoma-Nebraska game? Not to mention having Notre Dame back on Iowa's schedule on a regular basis? Can you imagine 6 of the top 10 or 12 most storied football franchises in NCAA history all in the Big 10?
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