When did you turn Anti-Ferentz

[HawkeyeWalker]

And he was roundly and very loudly criticized by the leading members of his profession for it. Just saying....literally fact.

Fair enough. Honestly, I didn't see that come out. But I can go dark at times. I believe ya but do have any links...seriously...not being a smart ***, I would be curious to read on it.

 

[Sparky]

Fair enough. Honestly, I didn't see that come out. But I can go dark at times. I believe ya but do have any links...seriously...not being a smart ***, I would be curious to read on it.

University of Iowa physicians’ paper on rhabdo published in national journal | TheGazette

 

[Sparky]

Fair enough. Honestly, I didn't see that come out. But I can go dark at times. I believe ya but do have any links...seriously...not being a smart ***, I would be curious to read on it.

Here is another interesting read.

http://www.biggerfasterstronger.com/uploads2/11_MayJun_46.pdf

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Here is another interesting read.

We should hire that guy. Or at least pay him for his clinics. His program builds champions.

http://www.biggerfasterstronger.com/uploads2/11_MayJun_46.pdf

 

[MeatMan]

Fair enough. Honestly, I didn't see that come out. But I can go dark at times. I believe ya but do have any links...seriously...not being a smart ***, I would be curious to read on it.

That super long post I did in this thread has three links to articles about it. Oh, looks like sparky posted one too. Yeah, I'm one of those dorks who reads sports medicine journals. Very dry, but informative. Not a lot of sound bite quality stuff, but some very serious backlash.

Sorry man, thought you were being a smartass there. My apologies. I've been to a few sports med conferences where they specifically bring up and criticise the Iowa incident. Doyle lost a lot of the respect he had in the strength community.

 

[Dutch]

MeatMan - Thanks for putting this together. I had a basic understanding of the Rhabdo event and that players were put at risk, but I was never certain of exactly "how". To think Ferentz honored Doyle after the fact seems arrogant (putting it mildly).

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

That super long post I did in this thread has three links to articles about it. Oh, looks like sparky posted one too. Yeah, I'm one of those dorks who reads sports medicine journals. Very dry, but informative. Not a lot of sound bite quality stuff, but some very serious backlash.

Sorry man, thought you were being a smartass there. My apologies. I've been to a few sports med conferences where they specifically bring up and criticise the Iowa incident. Doyle lost a lot of the respect he had in the strength community.

Thanks MM. It was a bad deal all around. Hopefully he gets back to building studs and learned from it. I appreciate the info.

 

[bws258]

I lost all belief in KF at the 2:15 mark ...
Wisconsin at Iowa Football Highlights - YouTube
BTW, hang on till the end for a Jon Miller sighting

 

[David79]

If only they would get somebody like the Illinois coach as the head coach. A guy that really opens up the offense. Then Iowa would be really good like them.

 

[Makavelihawk]

If only they would get somebody like the Illinois coach as the head coach. A guy that really opens up the offense. Then Iowa would be really good like them.

Or like Art Briles, then Iowa would be really good like them. See how easy that works. Now back to sticking of your our current gutless, ******* coach.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Yes, 13 players getting sick is super and reflects well on our program.

Just curious how you know it was the exact same workout for 15 years? And i agree with you, that other 'factors' played a role..

Because it was REPORTED that it was the same workout. "Exact" same, I can't say, only that it was reported to be a workout that had been the same one done each year since KF arrived.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I felt the same regarding the ohio state game, Iowa gets a shot to beat OSU once every ten years and to tuck tail and play for OT was sickening. That's why I can't. stomach Ferentz much anymore. In sports its about going for broke no matter the results moral victories are meaningless.

Bull-shirt. Many people were up in arms when we "went for broke" on the last drive against NIU.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

That will be the thing I remember about Kirk Ferentz. 40 years from now I will remember that gutless call. That's coaching scared, IMO and there's no place for it in College Football.

Stop posting. You simply have no clue.

We ran a play to see how O$Us D was setting up. When you know what the set-up is, you assess the risk.

With a young QB who had already thrown NUMEROUS passes that could/should have been INTs, you don't get stupid.

Funny how many were up in arms over the "stupid" risk we took on our last drive against NIU.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

No, that workout has NOT been done every year at Iowa. Kirk Ferentz came out and said it was done twice prior to the incident. I don't remember the years he said they did it but he said that Brian was on the roster during one of those prior occasions. I know things happen during workouts and anyone that thinks the coaches did that to the players on purpose, is misguided. If they even thought it was possible, they wouldn't have done it. I don't think an honest person could say otherwise.
My personal problem with the workout is that after the first 50 squats (maybe less) it does more damage than it does good, to the muscle groups. I believe that workout was supposed to "see who really wants to be here" and it backfired on KF.

Sorry, didn't see your later posts. Interesting reading, but again, that was all hindsight research. And to include the "possibility" of supplements and the down period is disingenuous. I didn't see that it had "never" been done at the beginning of a training session, but that may have been the case.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

serious? apparently you are the one who doesn't understand. do something besides reading Hawkeye message boards. you might learn something.

Again, please hold forth on all your inside info. The Rhabdo incident has been WAY overblown. It's only being brought up again NOW because of the last game/results. The subject absolutely disappears otherwise.

And yes, that is how it would be happened at other schools. Look at how Aaron Hernandez is being handled vis-a-vis Florida, or how "inconsistencies" with "improper benefits" is handled at places like Oregon or Alabama. They are ignored by the media and the hue and cry comes out against the NCAA.

Face it, "hating" KF doesn't mean YOUR view is the correct one. Unless, of course, you can state the full circumstances and all the stuff you didn't want to bore us with.

EDIT: As I mentioned above, didn't see your post linking articles. I still didn't see that it had "never" been done at beginning of training session. And "down" period is certainly relative as it relates to college football, given that it is pretty much expected that players keep in shape year-round. And I really don't believe Doyle has his job due to some "old boy" networking. He DOES have degrees related to the field. I DO remember the mention of supplements, but it isn't clear to me how that would affect players. One would think, as "supplements", that they are not depletive in nature.

As to the "see who really wants to be here" argument, I would think, if that were the case, KF would have been in town rather than on a recruiting trip. And I don't think 2010 was the result of "bad coaching" any more than "just injuries". As always, it's a combination of things.

 

[David79]

Or like Art Briles, then Iowa would be really good like them. See how easy that works. Now back to sticking of your our current gutless, ******* coach.

That's the point Einstein. There are coaches across the country that use a variety of systems. Simply changing to a coach that has a different offensive system does not mean they will be successful head coaches at Iowa.
The problem is that there are really "smart" people who can't seem to comprehend that.

 

[PCHawk]

Stop posting. You simply have no clue.

We ran a play to see how O$Us D was setting up. When you know what the set-up is, you assess the risk.

With a young QB who had already thrown NUMEROUS passes that could/should have been INTs, you don't get stupid.

Funny how many were up in arms over the "stupid" risk we took on our last drive against NIU.

We ran a running play which there was virtually no time for. We would have needed to pick up 10 yards on that run to stop the clock otherwise we would have ran out of time. It still amazes me that people think Ohio state had a better chance to score in regulation there than we did.

In overtime we would have almost certainly needed a touchdown to win. Then when we get it we still have to stop them. In regulation we needed 40 yards and a field goal. Then we wouldn't have even needed to stop them. The decision wasn't even close.

And to say people were up in arms about the niu game is ridiculous. There were people complaining about the play call but I don't think I've seen a single post saying we should have taken it to overtime.

 

[HomerChampless]

^ LOL, sorry, but anyone claiming Iowa's D has had much of anything to do with our struggles is LOL-worthy.

Look at our scoring defense ranking over the Ferentz years and then let me know if you still think the defense is the problem (in fact, I think the problem is Iowa has gone about things with the philosophy to try to score just 1 more point than your opponent, rather than getting aggressive and trying to score loads of points like everyone else seems to do!)

I can, in one 'word', describe Iowa's pass defense woes... Northwestern (and Iowa's non athletic defensive woes as a whole, as well). Add the 'word' Purdue, most recently, when coached by Joe Tiller. Let me also add the 'word' Northern Iowa. These were teams regularly trounced by most major college teams with any sand... but not Iowa... when Iowa supposedly had sand....

 

[Makavelihawk]

We ran a running play which there was virtually no time for. We would have needed to pick up 10 yards on that run to stop the clock otherwise we would have ran out of time. It still amazes me that people think Ohio state had a better chance to score in regulation there than we did.

In overtime we would have almost certainly needed a touchdown to win. Then when we get it we still have to stop them. In regulation we needed 40 yards and a field goal. Then we wouldn't have even needed to stop them. The decision wasn't even close.

And to say people were up in arms about the niu game is ridiculous. There were people complaining about the play call but I don't think I've seen a single post saying we should have taken it to overtime.

Don't bother arguing with Bob. He's been around forever and he's always been clueless as can be.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Stop posting. You simply have no clue.

We ran a play to see how O$Us D was setting up. When you know what the set-up is, you assess the risk.

With a young QB who had already thrown NUMEROUS passes that could/should have been INTs, you don't get stupid.

Funny how many were up in arms over the "stupid" risk we took on our last drive against NIU.

wrong. It was the PLAY CALL and specifically the pass pattern... one NIU had been pushing up on all day.

That is quite consistent with a common criticism...bad play calling.