When did you turn Anti-Ferentz

When did you turn anti-Ferentz

  • On Initial Hire

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • 2006 to 2007 (6-7, 6-6)

    Votes: 11 8.5%

  • 2008 (9–4 - won Outback)

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • 2009 (11–2 - L NW/OSU, won Orange)

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • 2010 (8-5 - won Insight)

    Votes: 15 11.6%

  • 2011 (7-6)

    Votes: 11 8.5%

  • 2012 (4-8)

    Votes: 14 10.9%

  • This Year

    Votes: 4 3.1%

  • I'm not anti-Ferentz, for now

    Votes: 52 40.3%

  • I will never be anti-Ferentz

    Votes: 14 10.9%
  • Total voters
    129
hawkeyebob62 said:
Again, please hold forth on all your inside info. The Rhabdo incident has been WAY overblown. It's only being brought up again NOW because of the last game/results. The subject absolutely disappears otherwise.

And yes, that is how it would be happened at other schools. Look at how Aaron Hernandez is being handled vis-a-vis Florida, or how "inconsistencies" with "improper benefits" is handled at places like Oregon or Alabama. They are ignored by the media and the hue and cry comes out against the NCAA.

Face it, "hating" KF doesn't mean YOUR view is the correct one. Unless, of course, you can state the full circumstances and all the stuff you didn't want to bore us with.

EDIT: As I mentioned above, didn't see your post linking articles. I still didn't see that it had "never" been done at beginning of training session. And "down" period is certainly relative as it relates to college football, given that it is pretty much expected that players keep in shape year-round. And I really don't believe Doyle has his job due to some "old boy" networking. He DOES have degrees related to the field. I DO remember the mention of supplements, but it isn't clear to me how that would affect players. One would think, as "supplements", that they are not depletive in nature.

As to the "see who really wants to be here" argument, I would think, if that were the case, KF would have been in town rather than on a recruiting trip. And I don't think 2010 was the result of "bad coaching" any more than "just injuries". As always, it's a combination of things.
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one last time. the only one's truly supporting Doyle through the situation are Hawk fans and Hawkeye Admin. I dare you to find a qualified strength coach who would give Doyle a free pass on that.

and i didn't say Doyle was a good old boy, but it certainly is that way at a lot of schools. i know you want to portray this incident as "you must hate KF cause you're critical of this" or "i like KF so he gets a free pass no matter what."
 
I generally save my hate for people who are genuinely deserving.

That being said my support has gone from lukewarm to tepid over the last few years. I’m OK with conservative football, although it may not be a preference. I still respect Ferentz’s player development. As a game coach and at the strategy elements of the game, he leaves a lot to be desired. Ferentz seems to have two rather prominent negative characteristics. The first is a tendency to go conservative with a halftime lead. He seems to be willing to hand the opposing coach the initiative, rather than beat himself doing something that doesn’t pan out. Second, his coaching style tends to be inflexible to the point where opposing coaches seem to be a step or two ahead of him. He’s is regularly getting out coached in the second half of games.

During his best years there seemed to be a bit of a trade-off with Ferentz. The team always seemed to dump at least one game they really should have won, and win at least one they really had no business winning. It was a quirky team that played a lot of close games and seemed to usually come out on top. If I had to pick a turning point, I really think the loss against Western Michigan to close out the 2007 season was a harbinger of deeper problems.
 
bud2380 said:
What about when we dominated 4th ranked penn st in happy valley on national tv? Or when we dominated a ranked Wisconsin team on the road? How about the orange bowl where Georgia tech punted more in that game than they had in the previous 5 games combined? All flukes? Underachieving? all smoke and mirrors? please.
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LOL, did you even watch the PSU and Wisconsin games that year? PSU we would have lost if Clayborn hadn't made one of the greatest individual-effort plays in Iowa football history. I was in Camp Randall for that game and we got or ***** completely kicked for the entire first half.
 
In 2005....with aweful, dreadful lame schemes and play calling...KF managed to go 7-5 with Tate, 2 pre-season all-america senior LBs (Hodge and Greenway), and 2 4-yr starters at corner (A. Allen and Jovan Johnson)...managed to be almost last out of 120 teams in sacks and 3rd down percentage allowed. Our Cover 8 (prevent defense) had gotten easy to beat.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Bull-shirt. Many people were up in arms when we "went for broke" on the last drive against NIU.

Can't have it both ways.
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You have no clue Bib, I left that game shaking my head at the multiple blown coverages by the secondary that let Northern Ill win the game.

Included in my headshaking was the horrible play call as another poster stated. Not because we went for broke, but because our coaches shoot themselves and the players in the foot on the reg. Even Northern Ill's coach stated something regarding what you do when you smell a rat in his post game presser. Northern Ill knew the route jumped it end of game. Another example of coaches making bad calls and losing games. I'm pretty numb to it these days I just look at my friends when something stupid happens from the 3.8 million dollar man and say, "Well that's Hawkeye Football"
 
I turned when we couldnt reload year after year. My satisfaction point is 9 wins. Getting players and coaches that can only come up with 5 or 6 wins can go take a hike. Especially for 3 mil a year.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Stop posting. You simply have no clue.

We ran a play to see how O$Us D was setting up. When you know what the set-up is, you assess the risk.

With a young QB who had already thrown NUMEROUS passes that could/should have been INTs, you don't get stupid.

Funny how many were up in arms over the "stupid" risk we took on our last drive against NIU.
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You're a zoo right now
 
koralakers said:
In 2005....with aweful, dreadful lame schemes and play calling...KF managed to go 7-5 with Tate, 2 pre-season all-america senior LBs (Hodge and Greenway), and 2 4-yr starters at corner (A. Allen and Jovan Johnson)...managed to be almost last out of 120 teams in sacks and 3rd down percentage allowed. Our Cover 8 (prevent defense) had gotten easy to beat.
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That was also a very disappointing year, no doubt about it.
 
I think if you changed the question to, "When did you lose faith in Ferentz?"... you'd get a very different breakdown in the poll.

Few are actively "Anti-Ferentz" as you put it.
 
I still back Ferentz somewhat but the ice is getting very thin. I would give him one more yr and if he can't atleast have a 8 win season I would replace him no matter what the cost.
 
koralakers said:
In 2005....with aweful, dreadful lame schemes and play calling...KF managed to go 7-5 with Tate, 2 pre-season all-america senior LBs (Hodge and Greenway), and 2 4-yr starters at corner (A. Allen and Jovan Johnson)...managed to be almost last out of 120 teams in sacks and 3rd down percentage allowed. Our Cover 8 (prevent defense) had gotten easy to beat.
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The Northwestern game that year was a travesty. Iowa dominated that game in the first half, but went to sleep offensively in the second half and let them hang around. A recovered onside kick by NW (we have seen this too many times since) put them in position to win the game, and of course, they did.

The ISU game that year was also a disaster.. Iowa has laid an egg quite a few times against ISU, but I can't say I recall ever seeing ISU push us around as much as they did that year.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
The Northwestern game that year was a travesty. Iowa dominated that game in the first half, but went to sleep offensively in the second half and let them hang around. A recovered onside kick by NW (we have seen this too many times since) put them in position to win the game, and of course, they did.

The ISU game that year was also a disaster.. Iowa has laid an egg quite a few times against ISU, but I can't say I recall ever seeing ISU push us around as much as they did that year.
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NW game that year was a travesty! A week after the Mich debacle.
 
MeatMan said:
one last time. the only one's truly supporting Doyle through the situation are Hawk fans and Hawkeye Admin. I dare you to find a qualified strength coach who would give Doyle a free pass on that.

and i didn't say Doyle was a good old boy, but it certainly is that way at a lot of schools. i know you want to portray this incident as "you must hate KF cause you're critical of this" or "i like KF so he gets a free pass no matter what."
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KF doesn't get a "free pass" with me. But...having arrived at U of I at the tail end of 20-or-so years of Iowa being the worst/close t the worst team in the Big 10/Big Ten/B1G, I understand that a program in our position is fighting a battle that bigger schools in bigger states with bigger cities/metro areas don't face.

I confess, I didn't go on the internet to search/google "Chris Doyle supporters after Rhabdo Incident". Neither did I run across criticisms or definitive statements that he "f-ed up", aside from those who ALWAYS call for maximum penalty/punishment when something happens in college sports. And as I said, I think there were other factors involved and it's very easy to jump to conclusions or judge in hindsight.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Sorry, didn't see your later posts. Interesting reading, but again, that was all hindsight research. And to include the "possibility" of supplements and the down period is disingenuous. I didn't see that it had "never" been done at the beginning of a training session, but that may have been the case.
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I didn't say anything about supplements. That was another poster. KF stated that exorcise has only been done a total of 3 times, including the incident in question. Not 3 times at the beginning of summer workouts, or any other caveat. 3 times in total.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Stop posting. You simply have no clue.

We ran a play to see how O$Us D was setting up. When you know what the set-up is, you assess the risk.

With a young QB who had already thrown NUMEROUS passes that could/should have been INTs, you don't get stupid.

Funny how many were up in arms over the "stupid" risk we took on our last drive against NIU.
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I don't have to stop posting a fact and that fact is "40 years from now, I will remember the gutless end of that game". That's MY OPINION of that particular sequence of coaching decisions. That's going to be my memory of that sequence of coaching decisions. So STFU and stop telling people what they are and are not entitled to remember and/or voice an opinion on.
Guess what? We didn't "get stupid" and we didn't win! No matter how you think it may have played out, your and KF's scenario played out to a LOSS!
I don't care what anyone else was up in arms about, regarding NIU. I can only speak for myself. YOU need to STFU and stop trying to speak for everyone else.
 
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