Vegas Says....

The article on Vegas Odds seems a bit more optimistic about Iowa football than some of the negative nannies posting here. The incoming freshmen class is one of the best in recent years, Iowa has an experienced QB, the receiving corp appears to be better, there is a good core of players with experience on both sides of the ball, the offensive coordinator is using analytics to evaluate and avoid tendencies, and punting is to be improved. Be happy you could be Kansas.

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/i...tball-games-year-south-point-sportsbook-chalk
 
I've said this a few times on different posts and I have no problem being held to it: the receiving corp will take a leap forward this year and I'll go a step further and say it'll be much better than a lot of people think. I mean that in relative terms of course. It won't be the top WR unit in the Big 10, but it'll definitely be Big 10 caliber. Experience matters at most places when in comes to the WR corp and Iowa returns 3 of the top 4 guys in terms of who got significant reps at that position. Not to mention the attention that the two TE's (particularly Fant) will grab from the defense. What will stop this team from getting to 9-10 wins in the regular season will likely be 1)Unforseen injuries (Always a potential issue) and 2) Lack of adequate replacements at the LB position.
 
tksirius said:
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Thanks for answering. (In other words, you don't know WTF you post about most of the time)
 
We could go by "You Suck" rules for rounding winning percentages.

Anything below .500 is automatically "You Suck"
Anything below .750 gets rounded to .500; Therefore "You Suck"
Anything above .750 probably belongs to a hated opponent coach with a name like, Schembechler, Woodson, Hayes, Osborne or Paterno, So the answer once again is "You Suck"
 
eveningnewsteam said:
Oooh. Ok. That juggernaut of a .604 win percentage.
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Actually Alvarez was no better than 52% in conference play. Then he had to turn around a team that averaged 1 conference win each year over 4 years. His first 3 years he didn't do much better. His claim to fame is that his staff built three teams in the 90's that did finish 1st in conference play and each of those teams won their Rose Bowl appearances. The early 2000s, he was no better than 24-24 in conference play while being 48-29 overall.

IMO, Alvarez has been a much better AD than he was an HC. That said, he was very good at building a program that was a consistent winner and could compete.
 
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AreWeThereYet said:
My ordering would be.

Barry Alvarez = consistency + aggressiveness + continuity

Superior defense + Power running ball control offense that will plow inferior teams under.

One of the better teams in college football in the trenches and at linebacker.

Player development program on par with Iowa's

Recruits well locally local market. Milwaukee, Chicago, and Minneapolis are the local recruiting market.

Well chosen coaching

QB's and WR's have been adequate.

The one thing that truly amazes me about Wisconsin's program is how Alvarez has managed all of the coaching transitions over 25 years without any real drop-off at any point.
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Agree with a lot of this but Wisconsin has done very poorly recruiting in Milwaukee and the Chicago areas. Milwaukee doesn't have much and Chicago athletes we've tried to recruit by and large go east.
 
AreWeThereYet said:
Alvarez's winning percentage was 0.604 by the way.
Fry's winning percentage was 0.613 at Iowa
Ferentz winning percentage 0.596 at Iowa (so far)

None are .500 coaches.
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While you re technically correct none are .500 , Ferentz B10 record all time is ,558
His 20 yr average is 4.5 wins / 3.5 losses per year.
That 'feels' pretty average.
 
tksirius said:
There really shouldn't be an excuse to lose any games other than Wisky & Pedo St. If the Iowa fan base has a spine, they should expect no less than 10 wins, IMO. Other than Wisky & the Pedos, the schedule is absolutely just cake with real frosting on top; not that whip cream crap.
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Pedo St. takes on a whole new meaning with that avatar.
 
Unknownbadger said:
Bielema was very fortunate he had Chryst as an OC. His win success fell markedly after Chryst left. 59-19 with Chryst, 37-39 without. 15-33 in conference play.
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Replace Chryst and OC with Alvarez and AD. Chryst was a remarkably lame HC at Pitt. They were significantly better before Chryst and marginally better after.
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
While you re technically correct none are .500 , Ferentz B10 record all time is ,558
His 20 yr average is 4.5 wins / 3.5 losses per year.
That 'feels' pretty average.
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Hayden Fry won 4.8 B1G games a year
Barry Alverez won 4 B1G games a year
Nick Saban won 4.6 B1G games a year
Pat Fitzgerald wins 4 B1G games a year
 
BrianFerentzForPresident said:
Replace Chryst and OC with Alvarez and AD. Chryst was a remarkably lame HC at Pitt. They were significantly better before Chryst and marginally better after.
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You must not know what a mess Pitt was in when Chryst took over. And please don't forget that they made a big jump to a much tougher league for Chryst's 2nd year. Please try not to snow me. I followed Chryst's career (and Bielema's as well) far closer than you have I think.
 
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tksirius said:
Well, that settles it. Kirk is just as good as Nick Saban! o_O
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Who said that?

If you think winning just over 4 B1G games a year is "average" then you are just dumb. Lil Nick got a HUGE promotion to LSU winning just over 4 games a year in the B1G. KF could have had a NFL coaching gig if he wanted winning just over 4 games a year. Fry and Alverez are college football HOF coaches winning just over 4 B1G games a year.
 
Unknownbadger said:
You must not know what a mess Pitt was in when Chryst took over. And please don't forget that they made a big jump to a much tougher league for Chryst's 2nd year. Please try not to snow me. I followed Chryst's career (a nd Bielema's as well) far closer than you have I think.
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Hey, you can say whatever you like. The difference between you and I is that I actually used facts to back up my argument. The rather common view explaining Wisconsin’s success is Alvarez. You decided to give your own opinion, and gave nothing beyond conjecture to back it up. Guess what? Beliema and Chryst have very similar records when coaching at Wisconsin and coaching at other schools. The constant at Wisconsin is Alvarez. Feel free to give some facts that state otherwise. ”I followed Chryst’s career” isn’t an argument.
 
BrianFerentzForPresident said:
Hey, you can say whatever you like. The difference between you and I is that I actually used facts to back up my argument. The rather common view explaining Wisconsin’s success is Alvarez. You decided to give your own opinion, and gave nothing beyond conjecture to back it up. Guess what? Beliema and Chryst have very similar records when coaching at Wisconsin and coaching at other schools. The constant at Wisconsin is Alvarez. Feel free to give some facts that state otherwise. ”I followed Chryst’s career” isn’t an argument.
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Well, here's a stat for you. Alvarez's success in the Big Ten play was going down hill the years prior to his retirement (19-21 from 2000-2004). He brought back Chryst and the team went 33-17 in conference play. And the team's success during those years wasn't built on a solid defensive backbone. As I posted earlier, I view Alvarez's claim to fame as his role as AD particularly his ability to maintain the face of Wisconsin football over his success on the field.
 
deanvogs said:
Who said that?

If you think winning just over 4 B1G games a year is "average" then you are just dumb. Lil Nick got a HUGE promotion to LSU winning just over 4 games a year in the B1G. KF could have had a NFL coaching gig if he wanted winning just over 4 games a year. Fry and Alverez are college football HOF coaches winning just over 4 B1G games a year.
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Nick Saban has won 5.9 conference games a year over his entire career. (75.1%)
Kirk Ferentz has won 4.2 conference games a year over his entire career. (52.8%)

Hayden Fry and Barry Alvarez aren't in the HOF due to how many games they won in the B1G, they are in the HOF due to resurrecting programs that were dogshit. If Barry and Hayden did what they did at programs that were decent prior to their arrival, they wouldn't be in the HOF. If Kirk did what he's done at a program that was dogshit prior to his arrival, I'd agree he deserves to be in the HOF, but that's not case here. He took over a program that was top 3 in the B1G. Are we still top 3 in the B1G? No.

Kirk Ferentz is an average to slightly above average coach. He is not HOF material. If you think he is, you are just dumb. :)
 
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