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tksirius said:
Nick Saban has won 5.9 conference games a year over his entire career. (75.1%)
Kirk Ferentz has won 4.2 conference games a year over his entire career. (52.8%)

Hayden Fry and Barry Alvarez aren't in the HOF due to how many games they won in the B1G, they are in the HOF due to resurrecting programs that were dogshit. If Barry and Hayden did what they did at programs that were decent prior to their arrival, they wouldn't be in the HOF. If Kirk did what he's done at a program that was dogshit prior to his arrival, I'd agree he deserves to be in the HOF, but that's not case here. He took over a program that was top 3 in the B1G. Are we still top 3 in the B1G? No.

Kirk Ferentz is an average to slightly above average coach. He is not HOF material. If you think he is, you are just dumb. :)
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If winning just over 4 B1G games a year means you are a slightly above average coach, then why haven't 50% of the coaches who have coached in the B1G been able to do this? Also how can the best coach in all of college football (maybe best college football coach ever) only win slightly over 4 B1G games a year?
 
tksirius said:
He took over a program that was top 3 in the B1G. Are we still top 3 in the B1G? No.
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You think Kirk took over a Top 3 Big 10 program? Maybe you don't remember so well. Iowa had finished no better than 4th in conference standings since Penn St joined the B1G in 1993. You can't claim that you are Top 3 program when your average standing over 5 seasons was actually 6th place.
 
When you're winning slightly above 50%, that is slightly above average, no matter how you try to spin it. Especially, after taking over a good program. Either the HOF has low standards or Kirk isn't HOF caliber. ;)
 
tksirius said:
When you're winning slightly above 50%, that is slightly above average, no matter how you try to spin it. Especially, after taking over a good program. Either the HOF has low standards or Kirk isn't HOF caliber. ;)
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He is winning 60% basically, and 56% in the B1G.

Since when is 50% automatically average? Is a .320 hitter in baseball "below average"? Is a 45% 3pt shooter in basketball "below average"? It is just like those other things, you compare it to what else is actually being accomplished. What % of B1G football coaches that have won 56% of their B1G games? You actually think that 50% of B1G coaches have managed to win 56% of their B1G games?
 
deanvogs said:
He is winning 60% basically, and 56% in the B1G.

Since when is 50% automatically average? Is a .320 hitter in baseball "below average"? Is a 45% 3pt shooter in basketball "below average"? It is just like those other things, you compare it to what else is actually being accomplished. What % of B1G football coaches that have won 56% of their B1G games? You actually think that 50% of B1G coaches have managed to win 56% of their B1G games?
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OMG, please go take a nap.

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tksirius said:
Yeah, you really had me when you resorted to batting averages and 3 point shooting.
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I know, you pretty much gave up right after that and admitted defeat. I could go on all day with examples like that. LOL at thinking average is 50%.
 
deanvogs said:
Not according to you, heck a .520 batting is just slightly better than average. I on the other hand understand average isn't based on 50%
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Your argument is obviously a strong one if you have to use baseball stats in a football argument. Batting averages are pretty much the same thing as wins and losses.
 
tksirius said:
Your argument is obviously a strong one if you have to use baseball stats in a football argument. Batting averages are pretty much the same thing as wins and losses.
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TK...be humble. Half of Fame inductees are decided upon by a committee of knowledgeable folks. If Kirk gets in someday then it will be because he was deserving. If he doesn't get in then it will be because he didn't deserve it.

Since all of this is future speculation of events yet unfolded it is all opinion based. Your opinion has been stated. All you are doing currently is bullishly defending your opinion. I don't believe the effort is worth it. This argument will not effect what the HOF committee decides.
 
Longevity alone doesn't mean you should be in the HOF. Most of those guys have won lots of conference championships and a National title.
 
Adam said:
TK...be humble. Half of Fame inductees are decided upon by a committee of knowledgeable folks. If Kirk gets in someday then it will be because he was deserving. If he doesn't get in then it will be because he didn't deserve it.

Since all of this is future speculation of events yet unfolded it is all opinion based. Your opinion has been stated. All you are doing currently is bullishly defending your opinion. I don't believe the effort is worth it. This argument will not effect what the HOF committee decides.
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Well, considering a known pedophile protector is in the HOF, I don't think it really matters what these "knowledgeable folks" think. :rolleyes:
 
deanvogs said:
He is winning 60% basically, and 56% in the B1G.

Since when is 50% automatically average? Is a .320 hitter in baseball "below average"? Is a 45% 3pt shooter in basketball "below average"? It is just like those other things, you compare it to what else is actually being accomplished. What % of B1G football coaches that have won 56% of their B1G games? You actually think that 50% of B1G coaches have managed to win 56% of their B1G games?
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Uh, 50% is essentially the definition of average when you're describing a situation with simple binary outcomes. (one loser and one winner in every event)

As for KFz and the HOF, longevity gets rewarded too. 20 years is a solid career. That, plus the respect he has from other coaches and a clean program will probably get him in.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Uh, 50% is essentially the definition of average when you're describing a situation with simple binary outcomes. (one loser and one winner in every event)

As for KFz and the HOF, longevity gets rewarded too. 20 years is a solid career. That, plus the respect he has from other coaches and a clean program will probably get him in.
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To be a HOF coach, you need a 60% winning %. So if you aren't a HOF coach and you "only" win lets say 59% of your games like KF is currently doing, then he is just "average"?

Lets face it if you can win 60% of your games over a 20 year period and you haven't coached at a blue blood program over that time, that is pretty good. Hayden Fry was pretty damn good, Ferentz is pretty good. If you want to know how hard it is, the best coach on the planet (Saban) could only manage a 58% winning % when he wasn't at an elite blue blood program and he instead had to go head to head vs the blue bloods.
 
deanvogs said:
To be a HOF coach, you need a 60% winning %. So if you aren't a HOF coach and you "only" win lets say 59% of your games like KF is currently doing, then he is just "average"?

Lets face it if you can win 60% of your games over a 20 year period and you haven't coached at a blue blood program over that time, that is pretty good. Hayden Fry was pretty damn good, Ferentz is pretty good. If you want to know how hard it is, the best coach on the planet (Saban) could only manage a 58% winning % when he wasn't at an elite blue blood program and he instead had to go head to head vs the blue bloods.
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Kirk Ferentz has 56.7% of his games, not 59%.
 
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