This lawyer thinks JoePa acted correctly both morally and ethically
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blkngldFRO
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CP87, yes I know what they did and their situation I read the entire report. They did not do anything at the time. I saw a comment on here that made it sound like "well it is ok because they had a lesser job, and they were worried about losing it". I am just pointing out that if we are going to point fingers, they should be pointed at everyone that did not take proper steps to rectify the situation.
blkngldFRO
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Because it is not that cut and dry. I have been in situations where you would think it is, that cut and dry. You do not, and can not know how you would handle the situation until you are presented with it. It is much easer to judge then to be judged. With this said I am not saying they did the right thing, but it is false to say that you are 100% sure that you would do the "right" thing.
My opinion is that non of them handled it correctly. All of them should loose their current jobs if still employed with the university. I am not going to say that I have no doubt in my mind that I would have done the "right" thing.
I agree that they were equally culpable. I thought I would share the details of the grand jury info on the janitors for those that did not know.
ThunderHawk
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STRONG ADULT MUST STOP RAPE OF HELPLESS CHILD. PERIOD.
austinhawk
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I hate all Lawyers!!
ThunderHawk
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This. And do everything in their power to make sure said rapist is put in jail to pay for his crimes and prevent future rapes. It is black and white people.
Igothawked
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The people defending the actions of any individual at Penn St on this board disgust me. Honestly, makes me sick to my stomach.
Joe Pa, the janitors, McQueery, the AD, president all of them. They covered this up and served as enablers for this sicko to continue ruining people's lives. They all knew about it and did nothing, NOTHING, to stop him.
People are f'd up beyond my wildest dreams. Some of you people are sick. But yes let's wait for Joe to tell his story. Sick, sick stuff. This was multiple 8-14 year old boys being molested by a 60 year old man on your campus and in your locker room. Yet every single one of them turned a blind eye to it. Its disturbing and so are those defending the actions of the Penn St employees.
Joe Pa, the janitors, McQueery, the AD, president all of them. They covered this up and served as enablers for this sicko to continue ruining people's lives. They all knew about it and did nothing, NOTHING, to stop him.
People are f'd up beyond my wildest dreams. Some of you people are sick. But yes let's wait for Joe to tell his story. Sick, sick stuff. This was multiple 8-14 year old boys being molested by a 60 year old man on your campus and in your locker room. Yet every single one of them turned a blind eye to it. Its disturbing and so are those defending the actions of the Penn St employees.
Igothawked
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ThunderHawk
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I've dealt with this mindset within the Catholic church. Disgusting, evil, immoral. There is no rationalization, no justification. There is just evil and cowardice in its purest elemental form.
theboat
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On this we agree.
It is not like we are at Target and see someone spank their child and debate whether or not to intervene if it is "too much". This couldn't be more black and white.
Same goes for the follow-up, or lack thereof.
No one is defending the actions of the AD or VP. Almost no one is defending the actions of Joe Paterno, save for the lawyer linked in the OP. Nearly everyone agrees that he should have done more.
Some are arguing that we should wait for due process to run its course. The principle of due process is a crucial cornerstone to our society without which things would collapse into anarchy.
Some, like myself, have argued that the actions of these people were clearly wrong; however the cowardly urges we all possess to protect ourselves and avoid conflict drive many to come up short of their responsibilities. This does not excuse anything, but it is worth noting, if for no other reason than to force introspection for all of those that may encounter such dilemmas in the future.
Neither of the above arguments would make one "sick" or "f'd up."
bcl20
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The lawyer is trying to get hits to his blog because Paterno is not dependable at least on moral and ethical grounds. Even if all he was told was that there was that the old man was naked with the child and not doing anything you have to do something further than what he did. That said, it seems that he knew damn well that more than that was going on.
Some people would rather be popular than right in my opinion. Referring to the writer of that blog.
Usually I'm open minded to opposing opinions but based upon the evidence that is out there I see no other answer than Paterno ****ed up big time.
Some people would rather be popular than right in my opinion. Referring to the writer of that blog.
Usually I'm open minded to opposing opinions but based upon the evidence that is out there I see no other answer than Paterno ****ed up big time.
BSpringsteen
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To me, there are a lot of unanswered questions...
1) Either JoePa assumed that an investigation had taken place and absolved Sandusky, or there was a well thought out cover up in place to protect the football program.
If it was the former, and McQueary knows what he saw, how does he continue to work at Penn State? If it was the latter, I find it impossible to believe that those conversations didn't involve Paterno and McQueary which would make them criminally liable I would think for anything that occurred after 2002.
2) Something isn't adding up with McQueary... how he would ever be able to see that guy again on campus is beyond me.
3) As CAARHawk corrected me on this morning - the hierarchy at the U dictates that things go up to the President - did they not in this case? If not, that seems to suggest an organized cover up to protect the football program. If so, than what was his reaction?
1) Either JoePa assumed that an investigation had taken place and absolved Sandusky, or there was a well thought out cover up in place to protect the football program.
If it was the former, and McQueary knows what he saw, how does he continue to work at Penn State? If it was the latter, I find it impossible to believe that those conversations didn't involve Paterno and McQueary which would make them criminally liable I would think for anything that occurred after 2002.
2) Something isn't adding up with McQueary... how he would ever be able to see that guy again on campus is beyond me.
3) As CAARHawk corrected me on this morning - the hierarchy at the U dictates that things go up to the President - did they not in this case? If not, that seems to suggest an organized cover up to protect the football program. If so, than what was his reaction?
bcl20
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I think the only part where McQueary can be somewhat absolved is because viewing the rape could be viewed as traumatic and the brain doesn't process traumatic experiences the same on a person to person basis and his brain may have said get the **** out of there instead of helping the child (please note I am not saying on any level that viewing the rape is worse than experiencing).
Beyond that though, after giving his brain a chance to rationalize what happened I don't know how he didn't go to the police, I don't know how he could still work for Penn State and I don't know how he could not look into what was going on when the guy was still allowed on campus after he knew what happened.
Beyond that though, after giving his brain a chance to rationalize what happened I don't know how he didn't go to the police, I don't know how he could still work for Penn State and I don't know how he could not look into what was going on when the guy was still allowed on campus after he knew what happened.
You can't be serious...
If JoePa wasn't a POS and he did something to stop Sandusky from raping children then his name wouldn't be ruined. I don't feel sorry for that old saggy sack of ****. I respected him at one point, but now he can rot in hell for all I care.
Numerous innocent people(children) had their lives ruined and something happen to them that they will spend their whole lives dealing with. It could have been stopped; it could have been prevented. JoePa isn't the only one that messed up, but he is just as much to blame as anyone else who knew about it and didn't do everything they could to stop it.
This didn't have to happen, but JoePa let it happen. I don't feel sorry for him one bit. I hope his name is forever tarnished. It's sickening that people actually think JoePa is the victim here.
Dexter
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Univ of IA police are state certified police officers and do in fact carry guns.
silvanthalas
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He wasn't 20 in 2000, he wasn't 22 in 2002.
He was 28; he was the PSU starting QB in 1996 and 1997. He was, most importantly, an ADULT.
I am not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China?
The point is that if you asked him what he would do PRIOR to being put in that situation, he would have told you that he would do the right thing (and believed it 100%). Yet when actually encountered with the situation, he did not do the right thing. This response is more "human" than most are willing to believe. It does not excuse it, but history has demonstrated over and over again that good people sometimes look the other way, as sickening as that is to admit.
