bcl20
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That's kind of the point I was making. His initial reaction is somewhat understandable for lack of better phrasing that said he messed up in his actions after the fact.
This lawyer thinks JoePa acted correctly both morally and ethically
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That's kind of the point I was making. His initial reaction is somewhat understandable for lack of better phrasing that said he messed up in his actions after the fact.
74Hunter
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I agree with everything you say. In the past 5 years, surprisingly, I have been put in a position where I saw a crime being committed, the last happened about 3 weeks ago. It is very easy to to judge what you WOULD do IF you are in that position, but until you are, you don't know how you will react. You are going about your business, not expecting anything like this to happen, and then, BOOM! You are faced with such a thing. For me, the first emotion was shock, the second was trying to process exactly what was going on.
It's easy to puff up your chest and say what you WOULD do, but when you are Joe Six Pack, someone not trained to handle such situations, you can actually make things worse. Some people instinctually would put themselves in the middle of it, some instinctually go into self-preservation mode, some ignore it all together and walk away.
Now, do I think that McCreary is in the clear and that he handled things appropriately, absolutely not. Especially after having a few moments to collect his thoughts and to let the shock wear off. Even if he didn't think to step in and protect the child at the time he discovered the rape, he, in the very least, should have contacted the police shortly after the discovery. The fact that he never contacted the police is stunning.
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tm3308
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You still are missing the point. Not one person has denied that the right thing to do was intervene/call 911 immediately. THAT part is cut and dry.
What isn't so obvious is whether or not we would do it. You can't know that for certain until you are faced with a similar situation. I'd like to believe that I would do the right thing in that position. But I've never been in that position, or any other even remotely like it. I have no way of knowing for certain that I wouldn't freeze/panic/whatever. And I hope to God I never have to find out.
So as far as not intervening/calling the cops immediately (as in on the spot), I can understand the GA's position.
But there is NO excuse for not calling the cops when the shock wears off.
silvanthalas
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I'm not sure why you think a 28 year old running to daddy about what he saw is in any way, shape, or form the first, second, or even 10th decision that somebody in his position should have made.
He didn't stop the rape? Ok, I can even understand that.
But that he didn't then go to the cops? Big mistake made by an even bigger coward.
ThunderHawk
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I can tell you exactly the first thing i would have done. I would have yelled WHAT THE F! After that it goes one of two ways. Either total instinct takes over and I attack or the rational mind intervenes and I call popo and tell 'em what's up and then stop the rape. The latter is the the proper action but again base instinct may lead to immediate intervention.
Dick: 2+2 = 4.
Jane: You are wrong, 2*3 = 6!
Dick: I understand that 2*3 = 6. But still, 2+2 = 4.
Jane: You are terrible at math, 2*3 clearly equals 6!
Dick: Yes, we all agree that 2*3 = 6. But can't you see that if you hold up 2 fingers on one hand, then hold up 2 fingers on the other hand, then count all of those finger, that the total is 4.
Jane: (perplexed)...2*3 = 6.
Not sure why I stuck around so long, but on this note I am out.
tm3308
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You think McQuery wouldn't have said the same thing if you'd said "Imagine yourself being in this situation"? EVERYBODY (or at least almost everybody) would say exactly what you are saying right now. I guarantee McQuery would have, too. And he didn't do it when the situation was real.
Until you have to face that kind of situation, you can't possibly know how you'd handle it in that moment.
That's why those moments are so character-revealing. They don't just reveal who you are for everyone else to see. Those situations reveal a lot of who you are, to yourself. There's no hiding from it. We'd all like to believe we'd have done the right thing in that moment (and he didn't, which he made worse by NEVER going to the cops). But that's how we'd like to see ourselves. The truth isn't revealed until the opportunity arises. And you can't possibly know the truth until you face that opportunity.
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SirJamaLot
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Joe Paterno is the face of Penn State, you cant have it both ways, we don't know all the facts but he knew that one of his best friends and best assistant coaches was a sick human being who preyed on young boys, there is no excuse for Sandusky not being prosecuted and going to jail after 2002 or even worse being allowed to use facilities on campus with young boys. This happened under Joe's watch, we will probably never know all the facts, do you really think Sandusky began raping young boys in 1998? Sadly but justly, JoePa's legacy will be he covered up one of his coaches raping young boys to protect either his football program or his friendship.
ThunderHawk
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I disagree.
I know my own character (or lack thereof) and I know how I'd respond. I KNOW I wouldn't walk away. I KNOW that.
For crissakes I've pulled a knife on someone for less than that. I know I wouldn't walk away.
tm3308
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Well there you go. You've faced a situation in which you've had that kind of reaction before. For everyone who's never been in a position like that, they can't know what they would do.
Did you say, "You called down the Thunder, well now you've got it!"
ThunderHawk
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theboat
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When you're a Jet, you're a jet all the way.
tm3308
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Well that's a little different. Pulling a knife to protect your family isn't quite the same as beating the hell out of a guy who isn't doing, or threatening to do anything to you or the ones you love.
silvanthalas
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You can throw out all the silliness you want. McQueary witnessed a crime, and he is a complete coward. He was a coward then for not stopping it. He was further a coward for not reporting it to police.
And I really, really wonder how the hell he and the rest of 'em have managed to live with themselves since then KNOWING that Sandusky was still on campus raping other boys.
ThunderHawk
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Not really. It's protective instinct of the vulnerable.
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VintageHawkeye
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Young Man, what precise point are you trying to draw with your posts in this thread? It sounds strangely like a defense of McQuery's inaction.
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blkngldFRO
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I have a question for you would you stop people from bullying someone else? Now I am not trying to compare the severity of this issue with the other. However being bullied does have sever psychological effects on people.
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VintageHawkeye
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SANDUSKY WAS ANALLY RAPING A TEN YEAR OLD BOY.
HOW ARE YOU IN GOOD CONSCIENCE TRYING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE?!?
