The way some people on this board villify Vandy

Pooker said:
makes me remember Matt Sherman and the abuse he took.

Fans are so fickle.

What is the record today? Are the Hawks going bowling?

Some people just have to complain to make themselves feel relevant.
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I felt Vandy made some atrocious throws in the ISU, PSU and Minny games. But, by and large, he is developing into a very reliable QB.

He may not see the blitz coming some times, but at other times, it wouldn't matter if he did, given that the blocking simply isn't there on the play.

He is going to be fine.
 
iahawk20 said:
Boy I REALLY disagree here Jon. He has played some terrible football this season. He was basically flat out bad, hell terrible, against Iowa St, Penn st, Minnesota, and Michigan St.
He had ONE good quarter (maybe 1.5) against Pitt. Was okay against Michigan and NW.

I guess I expect a QB to step up in big games and not lay an egg when it counts most. JVB played great against ULM, Purdue, and Indiana.

For a 4th year junior, he needs to be better and make much better decisions. He doesnt throw many INTs because he sits on the ball and takes a sack.Taking a sack in the endzone today was a joke. No excuse in the world to hang on to the football like that.

He has the best WR in Iowa history probably and a RB that is basically good for 100+ in each conf game. He continually doesnt handle the blitz well, throws balls that are not even close to his WRs, and takes sacks when he has an opportunity to throw the ball away.

I am far from impressed most games and wouldnt put him anywhere near the best in Iowa history. Great kid, average QB.

Folks that think he is anywhere near the best in Iowa history are out of touch. Not even close.
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So throw the ball away while still in the tackle box and get a safety. Or try and force the ball somewhere and it results in a pick inside the red zone. It wasnt a very good play call and Vandy was put in a bad spot.

To say that he is an average QB is what is out of touch.

Against ISU, PSU, Minnesota and MSU Vandy averaged per game:

18/33 204 YPG with a TD/INT ratio of 5/3. Decent numbers and much better than your assessment of his play, because according to you he was "flat out bad, hell terrible" against those teams. Those are not numbers of a QB that played terrible.
 
David79 said:
Vandenberg is a good QB but he also has the benefit of having the best wide receiver in Iowa football history along with Coker and Davis. His problem is that sometimes he panics when he starts to feel pressure in the pocket. I think if Iowa is not first it is close to in in sacks allowed and a lot of seems to be on Vandenberg either panicking or waiting too long and taking a sack instead of getting rid of the ball. Just look at that play in the endzone against Purdue. He got pressured and istead of trying to just throw it away he starts getting happy feet and tries to run it out of the endzone.
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The only mistake he made on that play was not protecting the ball because he was doing his damnedest NOT to be tackled for the safety. The blocking on that play was poor.
 
I really haven't seen very many negative posts about vandy really.

And the posts in this thead prove that for the most part.

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David79 said:
Vandenberg is a good QB but he also has the benefit of having the best wide receiver in Iowa football history along with Coker and Davis. His problem is that sometimes he panics when he starts to feel pressure in the pocket. I think if Iowa is not first it is close to in in sacks allowed and a lot of seems to be on Vandenberg either panicking or waiting too long and taking a sack instead of getting rid of the ball. Just look at that play in the endzone against Purdue. He got pressured and istead of trying to just throw it away he starts getting happy feet and tries to run it out of the endzone.
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Panic in the pocket leads to high INT numbers, say 10 to 12. He has 5. I don't think it's panic as much as trying to go and make something out of nothing. At least he takes the sack instead of throwing the INT. If you look at the sack in the end zone, there was a crease there and I think he thught he could get out of there, but the defense just made a good play in closing the gap. I think he is confident in his abiltiy to run, but sometimes just takes off a little too early, when maybe he could hang in there and have someone come open. Remember, out TE play is just starting to improve and TE's and RB's are every QB's safety net. Coker struggles catching the ball and hven't really had any consistent TE play until Last couple games. If Davis improves over the summer and becommes an every down reciever, JVB will have a monster year next year. IMO.
 
I thought he should have chucked it up from the endzone. Worst thing that happens is it's picked. Could also end up incomplete, complete to a Hawkeye, or PI penalty. Throw it up and hope Marvin or Davis can make a play.

Not doing so doesn't make him a bad QB.
 
Most years, Iowa is better on defense. This year (and probably next), Iowa will be better on offense. IMO, since Ferentz's scheme relies heavily on the defense, that doesn't say anything good about Iowa's 'defense' for this year and the next.

Anyway, some posters pick on Iowa's offense when the defense is better. Some posters also pick on Iowa's offense when the offense is better - IMO, they just pick on Iowa's offense. This shows a bias. It's impossible to justify/explain a bias.
 
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BackNBlk said:
...and if he forced a throw that is "near" a WR and it gets picked for a TD, he is still a goat to people. He wasn't trying to "take" a sack, he was trying to get out of the endzone. Sorry, but that situation was untenable both in terms of what JVB could have done that would have made people happy and more importantly what play could have been called that wouldn't have resulted in disaster.
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Exactly, I was in the first row of the south end zone at Purdue and when I saw the play fake I immediately yelled "what kind of f-ing play call is that" before the play was over. another example of terrible play calling by KOK, this dude has no clue, and the offense's consistency problems start and stop with KOK, he is horrible and his play calling on the road is worse than at home, if thats even possible.
 
JonDMiller said:
Vandenberg is having one of the best seasons in Iowa football history. His 2624 passing yards is 8th best all time. His 23 TD passes is 4th best all time. He has the best 'pro' skill set of just about any Iowa QB I have seen and he's made just 13 starts.People trying to rip this kid are very, very out of touch.
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Jon, can you honestly say that JVB has progressed from week 1 to week12? He is still making the same mistakes as he did early on. So either somebody is not teaching (coaching) or somebody is not learning (JVB).
 
SixAMtailgate said:
Jon, can you honestly say that JVB has progressed from week 1 to week12? He is still making the same mistakes as he did early on. So either somebody is not teaching (coaching) or somebody is not learning (JVB).
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You are aware that Iowa is the only school in the big 10 that does not have a qb coach right?
 
JohnstonHawkeye said:
SixAMtailgate said:
Jon, can you honestly say that JVB has progressed from week 1 to week12? He is still making the same mistakes as he did early on. So either somebody is not teaching (coaching) or somebody is not learning (JVB).
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You are aware that Iowa is the only school in the big 10 that does not have a qb coach right?
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Yes I am. All teams have the same number of coaches, just depends what they coach. Kok is the person that is currently assigned those qb duties, if he can't get it done than "somebody is not teaching".
 
I understand his td/int ratio is great, and good yards, but many receptions WRs catch are not on target. Some of his success has to be attributed to WRs. He doesn't do too great when the pressure comes. Many times when he has audibled to a run its stuffed right at the line. I just dont think the keys should be automatically given away to Vandy next year. I want to see Rudock and company push him, so his timing with WRs is much cleaner.
 
So you want to see a freshman start start for a Big Ten team over a (potential) all-B1G quarterback? Jeez, better hope Rudock is the second coming of John Elway, then.
 
Wow were is duffman telling us all how good jvb is today and how the rest if us are morons? maybe he needed a long nap again today? Haha classic duff!
 
Vandy is effective when he has 5 seconds to throw on play action.
But...... He doesn't recognize blitzes well, he doesn't run well, he REALLY doesn't throw well on the run, he stares down his primary receiver, and he panics at the first sign of pressure.

This is why I am not optimistic about Vandy.
 
SixAMtailgate said:
Vandy is effective when he has 5 seconds to throw on play action. But...... He doesn't recognize blitzes well, he doesn't run well, he REALLY doesn't throw well on the run, he stares down his primary receiver, and he panics at the first sign of pressure. This is why I am not optimistic about Vandy.
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This is spot on. Well said.
 
This is what I said before the season. Vandy has not shown he can handle pressure and depth on the Oline is an issue. I completely missed the TE issue.

Everyone knew about the front 7 concerns on D, so that was not news.
 
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