The problem with Boise State.

[HawkeyeDenis]

Whether we like it or not the Boise State argument is just about over. In the past year they have beat everyone they have played. If they beat Oregon State at home they will cruise to another undefeated season.
The coaches poll has put their title hopes in play. Boise State is ranked #3. A loss by Alabama or Ohio State and they are in the national championship game.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

checked out the big 12 north lately?

Nebraska is expected to have a cakewalk to the Big12 title game, but nobody complains about that.

Yeah and K-State, Mizzou, ISU or Colorado would all probably win at least seven games in the WAC. There is a huge talent difference between those teams and the teams at the bottom of the WAC, if Boise played in the B12 north they would lose at least one game.

 

[yaman3]

Boise St is better than VaTech. That was a home game for them and they didn't get it done. They absolutely killed the VT running game, which has been pretty solid in the past.

Some of you can talk about history all you want but if you are going to do that you have to look at everything, not just what you want. Should we never allow Oklahoma in a BCS bowl again? Utah and Boise each beat a team that had a legitimate argument for being in the National Championship.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Boise St is better than VaTech. That was a home game for them and they didn't get it done. They absolutely killed the VT running game, which has been pretty solid in the past.

Some of you can talk about history all you want but if you are going to do that you have to look at everything, not just what you want. Should we never allow Oklahoma in a BCS bowl again? Utah and Boise each beat a team that had a legitimate argument for being in the National Championship.

What teams did they beat that had an argument for being in the national title? Are you talking about TCU in the FIesta Bowl last year?

And yes Boise is better than VT, but for all we know they could be a 6-6 ACC team, should that be the signature win for a team playing in a national title game?

 

[ChosenChildren]

I could not agree more with this post. Boise State has one of the easiest schedules in the country. They simply do not play anybody. You cannot give them serious consideration in the polls until they significantly strengthen their schedule.

I sincerely believe that if Iowa played their schedule (including a game against Boise St.), Iowa would go 12-0. So would Ohio State and Wisconsin.

 

[SDK46]

If we're going to continue using this bastardized BCS system to "determine" a national champion, then put the SOS back into its own category and give it some more weight....like give it 33% of the total weight.

 

[tm3308]

I could not agree more with this post. Boise State has one of the easiest schedules in the country. They simply do not play anybody. You cannot give them serious consideration in the polls until they significantly strengthen their schedule.

I sincerely believe that if Iowa played their schedule (including a game against Boise St.), Iowa would go 12-0. So would Ohio State and Wisconsin.

And what, exactly, are they supposed to do about that? They can't help that their conference sucks. They go out and try to play the "big boys" in the non-conference schedule. And the past few years, they've won those games. What more can they honestly do to prove they belong?

They should be treated like an AQ team because they are better than most AQ teams, and just as good as a few more.

If they run the table, let them play. It's a win-win. They're either going to win and prove they belonged there in the first place, or they're going to lose and you can put it to bed. What's the problem with that?

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

And what, exactly, are they supposed to do about that? They can't help that their conference sucks. They go out and try to play the "big boys" in the non-conference schedule. And the past few years, they've won those games. What more can they honestly do to prove they belong?

They should be treated like an AQ team because they are better than most AQ teams, and just as good as a few more.

If they run the table, let them play. It's a win-win. They're either going to win and prove they belonged there in the first place, or they're going to lose and you can put it to bed. What's the problem with that?

Play road games without demanding a return game. Accept two for ones, realize that they're not in a BCS conference and stop making the same demands.

And the problem is I don't want a 13-0 Boise team that beat, maybe two good teams all year, getting in over a 12-1 Alabama or 12-1 Ohio State team that played five or so ranked opponents in a year.

 

[HawkeyeDenis]

I could not agree more with this post. Boise State has one of the easiest schedules in the country. They simply do not play anybody. You cannot give them serious consideration in the polls until they significantly strengthen their schedule.

I sincerely believe that if Iowa played their schedule (including a game against Boise St.), Iowa would go 12-0. So would Ohio State and Wisconsin.

That was my attitude before they played VT. At the end of this year they will have played 4 good teams in two years! OU, TCU, VT and OSU. Two years! That's the month of October for most BCS teams.
But that won't matter because of reasons I outlined earlier.

 

[tm3308]

Play road games without demanding a return game. Accept two for ones, realize that they're not in a BCS conference and stop making the same demands.

And the problem is I don't want a 13-0 Boise team that beat, maybe two good teams all year, getting in over a 12-1 Alabama or 12-1 Ohio State team that played five or so ranked opponents in a year.

Boise State is NOT Eastern Illinois. Hell, we gave Miami (OH) a home and home in '02 and '03. Boise is just as good or better than that team was. They deserve the same courtesy as any AQ school. They've earned that much. 1-0's and 2-1's are bush league, plain and simple.

 

[yaman3]

What teams did they beat that had an argument for being in the national title? Are you talking about TCU in the FIesta Bowl last year?

And yes Boise is better than VT, but for all we know they could be a 6-6 ACC team, should that be the signature win for a team playing in a national title game?

VaTech will not be 6-6. You can mark that down. The one game in particular I was talking about was Utah whooping Bama after they had just played to go to the title game. Boise also beat the Pac 10 champ last year, a team that the Big Ten champ struggled to beat. They then beat and undefeated TCU team that was pretty damn good.

Those of you arguing for them to go play an away gave without getting one in return are out of your minds. They have to have home games for revenue purposes. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe no one wants to go play them because they know there is a great chance that they may get beat?

 

[yaman3]

That was my attitude before they played VT. At the end of this year they will have played 4 good teams in two years! OU, TCU, VT and OSU. Two years! That's the month of October for most BCS teams.
But that won't matter because of reasons I outlined earlier.

And it should be noted they will likely have beaten them all. Again, what more would you like them to do?

I think it's funny you guys want to make them schedule tougher then on the flip side would love to get rid of the ISU game to make your schedule a little easier in the future. The Big Ten, especially Iowa is on the outside looking in if there is a Big 12 and SEC team undefeated. OSU may be able to hold them off but I doubt Iowa would.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

VaTech will not be 6-6. You can mark that down. The one game in particular I was talking about was Utah whooping Bama after they had just played to go to the title game. Boise also beat the Pac 10 champ last year, a team that the Big Ten champ struggled to beat. They then beat and undefeated TCU team that was pretty damn good.

Those of you arguing for them to go play an away gave without getting one in return are out of your minds. They have to have home games for revenue purposes. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe no one wants to go play them because they know there is a great chance that they may get beat?

No they don't need a home game for revenue purposes, they would make just as much playing on the road. Do you know how big there stadium is? It seats 32,000 people, we're not talking about an Ohio St, or Penn St or Tennessee giving up 100,000+ attendance to go on the road. They don't pull in near as much from a home game as big time programs do.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Boise State is NOT Eastern Illinois. Hell, we gave Miami (OH) a home and home in '02 and '03. Boise is just as good or better than that team was. They deserve the same courtesy as any AQ school. They've earned that much. 1-0's and 2-1's are bush league, plain and simple.

But Boise St. is in a bush league. They play in the second worst BCS conference, why the hell would they deserve the same courtesy as a team that has to play a tough non conference schedule and then a tough conference schedule. To make it to the title, they need to go above and beyond one tough game a year to prove they deserve it. Until then I have no problem with them playing in a BCS game, just not the title game.

 

[tm3308]

But Boise St. is in a bush league. They play in the second worst BCS conference, why the hell would they deserve the same courtesy as a team that has to play a tough non conference schedule and then a tough conference schedule. To make it to the title, they need to go above and beyond one tough game a year to prove they deserve it. Until then I have no problem with them playing in a BCS game, just not the title game.

They are not a bush league team. It's arrogance like yours that REALLY gets under my skin. God forbid there is a team that doesn't have the same clout as TEXAS, or OHIO STATE who maybe, just maybe is the best team in the country. That's just not possible. Please.

Boise has done more than enough to earn the courtesy of home and homes with AQ conference teams. It's time people start waking up and realizing that this team is not on the same level as the teams in their conference. Not even close. They are every bit as good as any non-conference AQ school that Iowa schedules.

If people won't give them a fair shake to prove themselves, then people can't say "prove it".

 

[thetrza]

Boise State only got $1.25 million from the game against VA Tech, I wonder if they got a cut of the ticket sales from Fedex Field as well? At least they don't have to split it with the other teams in the WAC.

 

[HawkeyeDenis]

And it should be noted they will likely have beaten them all. Again, what more would you like them to do?

I think it's funny you guys want to make them schedule tougher then on the flip side would love to get rid of the ISU game to make your schedule a little easier in the future. The Big Ten, especially Iowa is on the outside looking in if there is a Big 12 and SEC team undefeated. OSU may be able to hold them off but I doubt Iowa would.

I think you missed the point. This is all a moot point, or to quote Joey Tribianni, "A moo point. You know a cows opinion".
The arguement about Boise's schedule is over, if they win against OSU they will win out and go to the NC game. If that happens Boise will have beaten everyone they played for the past two years.
As for the ISU-Iowa game, the game does nothing for Iowa nationally. It is only occasionally competitive, like playing Indiana, or Illinois. ISU isn't in our conference, Iowa needs a better game before the Big 10 games.
"And it should be noted they will likely have beaten them all. ". Beaten who all? They won against TCU, OU, VT. But if they beat OSU its a forgone conclusion. BSU will be in the NC game. Its rediculus but thats the way it is set up. Again its a Moo point.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

They are not a bush league team. It's arrogance like yours that REALLY gets under my skin. God forbid there is a team that doesn't have the same clout as TEXAS, or OHIO STATE who maybe, just maybe is the best team in the country. That's just not possible. Please.

Boise has done more than enough to earn the courtesy of home and homes with AQ conference teams. It's time people start waking up and realizing that this team is not on the same level as the teams in their conference. Not even close. They are every bit as good as any non-conference AQ school that Iowa schedules.

If people won't give them a fair shake to prove themselves, then people can't say "prove it".

So you think because Boise beats one good BCS team a year they deserve to just be handed a spot in the title game? There schedule gives them a decided competitive advantage over teams that play in BCS conferences.

Also from a financial stand point, teams can't afford to go to Boise St. Boise St. draws 32,000 fans a game, the road teams payout wouldn't even cover their travel expenses. Playing out the road is just as profitable or more then playing at home for Boise.

 

[JAHayes23]

So you think because Boise beats one good BCS team a year they deserve to just be handed a spot in the title game? There schedule gives them a decided competitive advantage over teams that play in BCS conferences.

Also from a financial stand point, teams can't afford to go to Boise St. Boise St. draws 32,000 fans a game, the road teams payout wouldn't even cover their travel expenses. Playing out the road is just as profitable or more then playing at home for Boise.

Ok, you're missing his point, if team's weren't really scared to play Boise, they would have no problem playing on the Blue turf. The fact is, that nobody wants to play Boise on the Blue Turf, and then they say that Boise is ridiculous for demanding a home and home series (which every good team expects). What do you think Iowa would do if they were offered a 2 for 1 to play the great Alabama. They would laugh it off. That's basically what other teams are trying to do to Boise. Then when Boise says no, we want to be respected like any other team, the teams come out and say, "well we offered to play them on our terms but they said no."

I wish the PAC-10 would man up and invite Boise to be part of their PAC-16

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Ok, you're missing his point, if team's weren't really scared to play Boise, they would have no problem playing on the Blue turf. The fact is, that nobody wants to play Boise on the Blue Turf, and then they say that Boise is ridiculous for demanding a home and home series (which every good team expects). What do you think Iowa would do if they were offered a 2 for 1 to play the great Alabama. They would laugh it off. That's basically what other teams are trying to do to Boise. Then when Boise says no, we want to be respected like any other team, the teams come out and say, "well we offered to play them on our terms but they said no."

I wish the PAC-10 would man up and invite Boise to be part of their PAC-16

How am I missing the point? The financial aspect of it plays a huge part, teams can't afford to go play at a 32,000 seat stadium, rather than their 80,00 seat stadium. Boise can't offer teams $1 M payouts to come their either. This is the same reason people have discussed not playing ISU in the future, it's not about being scared its about the money.

The Pac-10 inviting Boise would be an absolute disaster for them. Boise adds absolutely nothing except for a football program which could very quickly fall apart when they start playing in a real conference, they aren't good in any other sports, play in a small market, and are basically one step above a junior college academically. I'm sure Stanford and Cal would love to be in a conference with them. And beating Oregon St is just considered a decent win in the Pac-10, it's not a season making win.