The problem with Boise State.

[okeefe4prez]

I have so many problems with Boise St. All of them have been covered thoroughly by you guys so far except one. And that one is that I am sick of people saying they looked really good monday night. First quarter they won 17-0. The last 3 quarters would be considered by most to be a one sided game by the score of 30-16 VT. They were dominated for three quarters by one player, Tyrod Taylor, and what about this is impressive? The first quarter technically counts but its obvious that VT came out with some first game jitters and once they got those aside it was very clear that they were the better team. I don't know why no one else sees it this way.

Bingo, and those 17 points were gifts - 3 bad VT plays, a fumble, a punt block and a boneheaded running into the kicker. And that was a VT team replacing a lot of players. I ain't saying Iowa is good at the beginning of the season because I could picture dropping a game or two early on a few boneheaded plays, but that BSU team would get its clock cleaned if it came to IC in November coming off of games against OSU, PSU, MSU, Wisconsin, etc. who they would face in the B10.

Part of playing in the B10, P10 or SEC is getting beat up every single week and maintaining the continuity to scrape through with tough wins, I just don't see that team doing that. Clayborn would have 4 bags and Sash would have 3 picks against those guys. When they tried that cute little blitz 7 dudes straight up the middle, Kenny would have first thrown a seam play at them for about 50 yards and then a bubble screen where some poor cornerback would have ended up in the hospital following a Reisner block, but at least the poor lad would have gotten to see DJK racing down the sideline untouched. It wouldn't even be a game.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

Boise State doesn't technically "fill up their schedule with cupcakes". Their conference schedule, weak as it may be on a national level, is what it is.

Boise State is actually going above and beyond by scheduling Virginia Tech, Oregon State, and Wyoming for non-conference opponents. There probably isn't a tougher non-con schedule in the country.

Somebody got it right! How many teams do you think are will to fly across the country to play VT in Washington DC for their first game? Hell, I'd be willing to be that Boise wanted a home and home or 2-1, but that VT balked or just said no.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

Bingo, and those 17 points were gifts - 3 bad VT plays, a fumble, a punt block and a boneheaded running into the kicker. .

You could also say that the touchdown VT got right after their kicker pulled a Mahoney was a gift.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I agree with everything said in this thread concerning Boise.

When they were wrapping up their victory tonight, I thought, "damn, this is a scrappy, well coached BCS team, one certainly deserving to be in the BCS Championship conversation".

But then the network posted their remaining schedule where the third game of the season is against (24th) Oregon State at home and the rest of the teams...well, they really aren't even football teams. It's embarrassing for B. St. fans to lobby for the NC. I mean, seriously, how can you have that schedule and with a clear conscious open your pie hole and say "Boise State is deserving of the National Championship". Are you effing kidding me?!

National Rodeo Championship maybe. ;p

Who says anyone is lobbying for anything? Boise is simply playing by the rules set in place by the BCS - beating the BCS at it's own game, if you will.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Somebody got it right! How many teams do you think are will to fly across the country to play VT in Washington DC for their first game? Hell, I'd be willing to be that Boise wanted a home and home or 2-1, but that VT balked or just said no.

I'm a hell of a lot more impressed that VT played Boise than the fact that Boise played VT. It's a huge advantage to play for Boise to play them right off the bat, and when you don't play anyone all year it's not a problem to play a tough non conference game, when you still have Miami and Florida St and Georgia Tech ahead of you, it's a lot more impressive that you're playing a very tough opener.

 

[tm3308]

I'm a hell of a lot more impressed that VT played Boise than the fact that Boise played VT. It's a huge advantage to play for Boise to play them right off the bat, and when you don't play anyone all year it's not a problem to play a tough non conference game, when you still have Miami and Florida St and Georgia Tech ahead of you, it's a lot more impressive that you're playing a very tough opener.

That's just it. Teams don't want to play Boise (and a 2-1 is bush league, AQ teams don't do that to each other, so they shouldn't to Boise). I'd have been more impressed with Tech if they had gone to Boise.

 

[troy]

The argument heard most often by the pundits on ESPN who can't stop talking about Boise State is that "well, they can play with anyone in the country."

I completely agree with that, but that point is completely irrelevant.

They can play with anyone, but they can't play WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT with the big boys like teams in the Big Ten, SEC, Pac 10, Big 12, etc do. They could probably beat Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, or Michigan but no one in their right mind would pick them to beat all those teams if they played them week after week.

It's like if someone in high school takes foods, home ec, shop, and one hard class in chemistry and thinks they deserve to be the valedictorian instead of someone who took physics, calculus, composition, and government and did a little bit worse.

That's why even if Ohio State or Iowa loses one game in their grueling schedule, Boise State still doesn't deserve to jump them to get to the national title.

great points

 

[oifdeserthawk]

Boise State over the last 8 years.....


84-4 against non BCS schools.

7-7 against BCS schools....

what does beating Virginia Tech prove? They've literally averaged 1 game per year for 8 years against a BCS school, meanwhile piling up 11 wins per year against non BCS schools.......get out of my top 10 Boise State....you are a phony.

 

[JAHayes23]

That's just it. Teams don't want to play Boise (and a 2-1 is bush league, AQ teams don't do that to each other, so they shouldn't to Boise). I'd have been more impressed with Tech if they had gone to Boise.

Exactly, I'm so sick of hearing of the "audacity" of Boise to request a home and home series. They need home games just like everybody else, they have to sell tickets to stay afloat too (probably moreso being in the WAC and lacking big TV dollars). Nebraska offered them the 2 for 1 b/c they knew they wouldn't take it. It's a lot easier PR wise to say "well sure we'd like to play Boise, but we simply can't meet their demands." Than to simply say "we aren't going to risk losing to Boise on the blue turf early on." Hell I hope the Iowa AD gets on the horn w/ the Boise AD and says "let's make this thing happen in 2012" I think it would be a great game and give lots of exposure to both teams.

I can't believe a collection of Iowa fans is talking about how the polls should keep Boise out if they win every game on their schedule.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

That's just it. Teams don't want to play Boise (and a 2-1 is bush league, AQ teams don't do that to each other, so they shouldn't to Boise). I'd have been more impressed with Tech if they had gone to Boise.

But Boise isn't an AQ team, they aren't going to get treated like it. They have at least six easy wins every year. No other AQ team has that, they need to go way above and beyond playing one good team a year. Look at some of the Florida St and Miami schedules in the 80's, they really did play anybody, any time, any place. Boise needs to do this if they want to play for the title, otherwise I'm fine with them going undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl every year. That's still a good season for them.

 

[oifdeserthawk]

Exactly, I'm so sick of hearing of the "audacity" of Boise to request a home and home series. They need home games just like everybody else, they have to sell tickets to stay afloat too (probably moreso being in the WAC and lacking big TV dollars). Nebraska offered them the 2 for 1 b/c they knew they wouldn't take it. It's a lot easier PR wise to say "well sure we'd like to play Boise, but we simply can't meet their demands." Than to simply say "we aren't going to risk losing to Boise on the blue turf early on." Hell I hope the Iowa AD gets on the horn w/ the Boise AD and says "let's make this thing happen in 2012" I think it would be a great game and give lots of exposure to both teams.

I can't believe a collection of Iowa fans is talking about how the polls should keep Boise out if they win every game on their schedule.

See my post above dude.....I personally don't think I'll ever care who they play OOC or home and home or on a neutral field or whatever.....as long as they play that schedule 93 percent of the time...

 

[JAHayes23]

But Boise isn't an AQ team, they aren't going to get treated like it. They have at least six easy wins every year. No other AQ team has that, they need to go way above and beyond playing one good team a year. Look at some of the Florida St and Miami schedules in the 80's, they really did play anybody, any time, any place. Boise needs to do this if they want to play for the title, otherwise I'm fine with them going undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl every year. That's still a good season for them.

checked out the big 12 north lately?

Nebraska is expected to have a cakewalk to the Big12 title game, but nobody complains about that.

 

[yaman3]

I don't know how to feel about Boise. On one hand, they play a junk schedule. I don't buy the injury and pounding argument. Every D1 football team will bang on you and there is the chance of injury. It just doesn't seem significant to me.

On the other hand, there's nothing they can do. They played a favorite to win the PAC 10 and possibly NC last year. They played a year to year top 15 team this year. They could switch conferences but no one will invite them. They just aren't attractive from a business and money standpoint. I just see a lot of these disadvantages as things out of their control. All they can do is win. They have done that. Year after year they win and they win big. They beat teams in big games. Teams that don't belong don't do that (Hawaii, Cinci, etc.) I think they are a team deserving of a shot if there are only two undefeated teams. I wouldn't jump them over an OSU or Bama or even Iowa if they were undefeated but I htink if they continue to win they deserve a shot.

 

[yaman3]

But Boise isn't an AQ team, they aren't going to get treated like it. They have at least six easy wins every year. No other AQ team has that, they need to go way above and beyond playing one good team a year. Look at some of the Florida St and Miami schedules in the 80's, they really did play anybody, any time, any place. Boise needs to do this if they want to play for the title, otherwise I'm fine with them going undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl every year. That's still a good season for them.

The game is completely different now. The talent was much more concentrated back then. The 20th best team now is significantly better than they were then.

 

[yaman3]

Boise State over the last 8 years.....


84-4 against non BCS schools.

7-7 against BCS schools....

what does beating Virginia Tech prove? They've literally averaged 1 game per year for 8 years against a BCS school, meanwhile piling up 11 wins per year against non BCS schools.......get out of my top 10 Boise State....you are a phony.

How about the last 4?

 

[oifdeserthawk]

How about the last 4?

2009 vs BCS: 1-0 vs Non BCS: 13-0
2008 vs BCS: 0-1 vs Non BCS: 11-1
2007 vs BCS: 0-1 vs Non BCS: 10-2
2006 vs BCS: 2-0 vs Non BCS: 11-0


last 4 years, 3-2 vs BCS schools, 4-2 now I guess, 45-3 vs Non BCS schools.....why is everyone so impressed? Care to gander at the wins and losses for the last four years?


Wins, dating back to '06.....sacramento state, OREGON STATE, wyoming, hawaii, utah, louisiana tech, new mexico state, idaho, fresno state, san jose state, utah state, nevada, OKLAHOMA, weber state, wyoming, southern miss, new mexico state, nevada, louisiana tech, fresno state, san jose state, utah state, idaho, idaho state, bowling green, louisiana tech, southern miss, hawaii, san jose state, new mexico state, utah state, idaho, nevada, fresno state, OREGON, miami (oh), fresno state, bowling green, uc davis, tulsa, hawaii, san jose state, louisiana tech, idaho, utah state, nevada, new mexico state, tcu, VIRGINIA TECH......well color me impressed....we should just give them the last 4 national championships...

 

[DDThompson]

How about the last 4?

3-1 against a weak PAC10 (Oregon schools 3-0/Washington 0-1) + the Oklahoma Fiesta bowl win.

That's 5 BCS games in 4 years vs. Iowa's 43 BCS games in 4 years.

I'm could care less about BSU, but I hope they win out and possibly screw up the BCS "championship" so bad that the 'solution' will be a playoff system.

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To expand on the BSU numbers ---

1993 was the magic number to determine competiveness for Big10 alignment. The competiveness of BS since going to Div-I is:

134-42 . . . total record

6-4 . . . . . bowl record

128-38 . . . regular season record
84-14 . . . conference record
15-3 . . . . vs. non-DIV I-A
29-21 . . . vs. DIV I-A (non-conference)


29-21 . . . .vs. NON-CONFERENCE DIV I-A
25-7 . . . . vs. non-BCS
4-14 . . . .vs. BCS schools

4-14 . . . . record vs. BCS schools
4-9 vs. Pac10 (0-4 vs. Walden State Cougars)
0-4 vs. SEC
0-1 vs Big10


BOWL RECORD 6-4
2-1 vs. BCS (thank you Big12)
3-1 at BoiseBowl
3-3 at non-BlueField bowls

 

[HawkPhreek]

If you watched the game if boise played v-tech again. Same field same everything ? Who you got ? I think v-tech was the better team.

 

[oifdeserthawk]

If you watched the game if boise played v-tech again. Same field same everything ? Who you got ? I think v-tech was the better team.

Agreed, that said, both teams looked like **** much of the game.....Virginia Tech just took a lot longer to get it going.....but in my opinion, if you showed me random plays from quarters 2-4, and didn't show me any of the last 3 minutes, I would have assumed Virginia Tech won by 3 touchdowns...

 

[gonzoJM]

Agreed, that said, both teams looked like **** much of the game.....Virginia Tech just took a lot longer to get it going.....but in my opinion, if you showed me random plays from quarters 2-4, and didn't show me any of the last 3 minutes, I would have assumed Virginia Tech won by 3 touchdowns...

Wow. I'm not sure where to begin with this. 3 touchdowns, huh? If you watched random plays from quarters 2-4, you would see VT's line (both O & D) getting physically manhandled. Boise was clearly the better team. You might just be looking through a Hawk filter that is hoping the Iowa D could hold a 1600 yard rusher and legitimate stud to 44 yards.