The problem with Boise State.

gonzoJM said:
Wow. I'm not sure where to begin with this. 3 touchdowns, huh? If you watched random plays from quarters 2-4, you would see VT's line (both O & D) getting physically manhandled. Boise was clearly the better team. You might just be looking through a Hawk filter that is hoping the Iowa D could hold a 1600 yard rusher and legitimate stud to 44 yards.
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Really dude? You are questioning whether or not I watched the game? Virginia Tech won the last 3 quarters of the game 30-16....they dominated Boise for the 2nd half, outside of the final drive.....give me a break...Hawk Blinders? Seriously, jump off the Boise wagon now. EDIT: ONE guy dominated them for 3 quarters.....quit stroking Boise....
 
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It isn't a matter of Boise being in a weak conference anymore. It's a matter of Boise playing 1-2 games a year in environments that Iowa, should they run the table, will play in 5 or 6 times in a given season.....Boise literally does that once a year. Can you read? 84-4 over non BCS schools in the last 8 seasons.....88 games, in 8 years, is 11 games a year....that's 11 non BCS games a season...give me a break.....they haven't proved a single thing, other than what every team in America already knows, that on any given day, they CAN play with the big boys....every week there is one team that literally plays with/beats someone that they wouldn't be able to play with and beat week after week...
 
tm3308 said:
Really, they wouldn't take a 2-1? How shocking. How many teams that actually have an ounce of self-respect take that offer? They want to be one of the "Big Boys", and accepting bush-league treatment is pretty counter-productive to that attitude.
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Did you not read where it said Boise had a 32,000 seat stadium? It's not a matter of deserve. It's a matter of afford. The big boys can't just say, " well ****, I guess we'll just take $75K for playing at Boise 'cause they're a really good non-AQ team."

When we play home-and-homes the gate is usually split or there is a big payoff for the road team. If BSU was to offer Iowa $1M for playing a home-and-home, I'm sure they would take it. But we all know BSU can't offer that to the likes of Iowa or Nebraska or whoever. Therefore, the only way to make it financially feasable is to play a road only or 2-and-1 series.
 
Boise State is a good team.

However, their two tough BCS opponents are VT and Ore St.

Despite the lofty ranking, did y'all think that VT played really well? I think they said (I could be wrong) that VT replaced SEVEN defensive starters?

Basically, I'm wondering why one game against VT (with possibly seven new defensive starters in their first game) is THE measuring stick for a BSU national title run. meh.
 
oifdeserthawk said:
It isn't a matter of Boise being in a weak conference anymore. It's a matter of Boise playing 1-2 games a year in environments that Iowa, should they run the table, will play in 5 or 6 times in a given season.....Boise literally does that once a year. Can you read? 84-4 over non BCS schools in the last 8 seasons.....88 games, in 8 years, is 11 games a year....that's 11 non BCS games a season...give me a break.....they haven't proved a single thing, other than what every team in America already knows, that on any given day, they CAN play with the big boys....every week there is one team that literally plays with/beats someone that they wouldn't be able to play with and beat week after week...
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I'd love to see BSU play Iowa, Wisconsin, tOSU, Michigan, MSU, PSU, Northwestern, and even Purdue in a given season, and if they beat all of those teams, good for them. I doubt it. BSU doesn't have to play anyone like that on CONSECUTIVE weekends.

SEC and B10 schools play tough teams every week. Shouldn't that count for something? If BSU had to play "mediocre" Tennessee, Georgia, or SC teams on consecutive weekends, it might be a different thing for them as well.
 
hawkfan340 said:
Did you not read where it said Boise had a 32,000 seat stadium? It's not a matter of deserve. It's a matter of afford. The big boys can't just say, " well ****, I guess we'll just take $75K for playing at Boise 'cause they're a really good non-AQ team."

When we play home-and-homes the gate is usually split or there is a big payoff for the road team. If BSU was to offer Iowa $1M for playing a home-and-home, I'm sure they would take it. But we all know BSU can't offer that to the likes of Iowa or Nebraska or whoever. Therefore, the only way to make it financially feasable is to play a road only or 2-and-1 series.
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I guess I must have missed where Miami (OH) had a huge stadium. Their attendance RECORD is 30,087. And they aren't exactly a huge athletic department, either. The Big Boys CAN afford a home and home with Boise. They'd just rather take a payday and not risk getting beat, or give Boise a bush-league offer.
 
tm3308 said:
I guess I must have missed where Miami (OH) had a huge stadium. Their attendance RECORD is 30,087. And they aren't exactly a huge athletic department, either. The Big Boys CAN afford a home and home with Boise. They'd just rather take a payday and not risk getting beat, or give Boise a bush-league offer.
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9/8/2001 vs. Miami (OH)
9/7/2002 @ Miami (OH)
8/30/2003 vs. Miami (OH)
 
hawkfan340 said:
9/8/2001 vs. Miami (OH)
9/7/2002 @ Miami (OH)
8/30/2003 vs. Miami (OH)
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Even so, this was insane and should never happen again. I'm also guessing the fact that we were in an absolute death spiral in the late '90s had something to do with this scheduling.
 
If it's really about dollars, and not about being bush league (which is what I think is going on when you consider the massive resources of the major college programs) then instead of doing a 2-1 or road only, do a home and home and neutral. Then everybody's financial needs are met, and nobody has to accept a slap in the face type offer.
 
JAHayes23 said:
If it's really about dollars, and not about being bush league (which is what I think is going on when you consider the massive resources of the major college programs) then instead of doing a 2-1 or road only, do a home and home and neutral. Then everybody's financial needs are met, and nobody has to accept a slap in the face type offer.
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That actually could work if the high-dollar team got like 80% of the neutral gate. The only downsides are that the host stadium siphons off some of the kitty and you use up two years of non-conf./non-ISU "road" games on Boise. That's not great but not a huge deal.
 
hawkfan340 said:
That actually could work if the high-dollar team got like 80% of the neutral gate. The only downsides are that the host stadium siphons off some of the kitty and you use up two years of non-conf./non-ISU "road" games on Boise. That's not great but not a huge deal.
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They can certainly swing that. If they did something like what VT did and play in a pro stadium close to the AQ school, they could maybe guarantee BSU 40% of the attendance. Any tickets leftover from Boise (should they not fill the 40% allottment) go to the "host" school.
 
hawkfan340 said:
That actually could work if the high-dollar team got like 80% of the neutral gate. The only downsides are that the host stadium siphons off some of the kitty and you use up two years of non-conf./non-ISU "road" games on Boise. That's not great but not a huge deal.
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We do home and home series w/ most "good" programs we face. I'd suggest doing the neutral game at Invesco. It would be a good split between the 2 teams for fans. Jon get on the horn w/ the AD and pass my suggestion :D

Just to kinda further prove my point about the Nebraska situation, Boise offered this solution to them, they turned it down. That basically tells me that Nebraska really had no interest in scheduling Boise and thru out an offer they knew they would refuse in order to save face.
 
IowaNYYfan said:
It's like if someone in high school takes foods, home ec, shop, and one hard class in chemistry and thinks they deserve to be the valedictorian instead of someone who took physics, calculus, composition, and government and did a little bit worse.
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I agree, especially with this, what a great way to put it! I remember kids who did that in high school. I'm CONVINCED Boise State could not run the table if they were in a BCS conference. Yes, all of the BCS conferences have a patsy or two, but you're talking about 8 games, half on the road, against quality teams in big stadiums, teams that have more to play for than the New Mexico Bowl. I'm pretty sure that if Iowa had to win 2 big games all year long and the national title would be theirs, they could do it.
 
iowa13 said:
I agree, especially with this, what a great way to put it! I remember kids who did that in high school. I'm CONVINCED Boise State could not run the table if they were in a BCS conference. Yes, all of the BCS conferences have a patsy or two, but you're talking about 8 games, half on the road, against quality teams in big stadiums, teams that have more to play for than the New Mexico Bowl. I'm pretty sure that if Iowa had to win 2 big games all year long and the national title would be theirs, they could do it.
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And as we know in the Big 10 just because a team is near the bottom it doesn't mean that the contenders can over look them. I think any team from Purdue upward in the B10 would do very well in the WAC.
This year alone, Iowa has to get past PSU, MSU, OSU, Wisconsin and from the looks of it, a resurgent Michigan. And that is just conference play.
 
TripleSkipler said:
The Nebraska argument is a great example of Boise State missing an opportunity to play with the big boys. Unfortunately, Boise State is motivated by money much like any other team in the country because they don't make nearly as much as the BCS schools. This is a big reason a 2 to 1 split doesn't work for Broncos.
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Dead thread revival time!

Going back to the argument above, here are a couple of tweets from Stewart Mandel in the last few minutes this morning:

slmandel I don't blame Boise for asking $1M from Nebraska, nor NU for saying no. NU can sked someone weaker, cheaper and still fill stadium.

slmandel Boise in tough spot. It wants better games, but its still got an athletic dept to fund, and relies on those checks if giving up home game.


It kind of says everything about the situation, doesn't it? Although, considering what Iowa has been paying out recently even to the likes of Arkansas St (wasn't that north of $500k?), I'm not sure there's really any 'cheap' options any more.
 
tm3308 said:
I guess I must have missed where Miami (OH) had a huge stadium. Their attendance RECORD is 30,087. And they aren't exactly a huge athletic department, either. The Big Boys CAN afford a home and home with Boise. They'd just rather take a payday and not risk getting beat, or give Boise a bush-league offer.
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What's bush league is Boise asking Nebraska for a home and home plus a mil. No big time programs do that. Boise wants to play by their own rules. They don't want to do two for ones, they don't want to do straight home and homes. They want a home and home with a guarantee payment too. Big time programs don't ask for that.
 
Or... the biggest problem for Boise State is the VT lost to a FCS team today. Insert loud explosion sound now to simulate BSU's BCS computer score completely going to hell later in the year.
 
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