The Greg Davis chatter

[MeatMan]

yeah for super long threads!

 

[Scorpio79]

DJK and McNutt were good receivers...for Iowa. I believe in the Campbell years, we've had one receiver drafted, and zero receivers take an NFL snap.

You can't pin that on Campbell. Kurt doesn't recruit for an aerial game; he recruits for ball control offense, and the "punt & play defense" overall strategy.
Soup has done a good job with what he's been given.
Mind you, I am not saying he should be O-Coordinator, I'm just defending his work @ IA.

 

[PJHawk]

It has a feel to it to me. More than just 'yeah, that's just BS rumor' feel. Not sure if there is anything to it. Had heard an interesting scenario last week but just figured it was false smoke.

Kirk even talking about the rumor in his Presser was odd, or his answer to it and a few other things seemed out if the norm. I liked some of those answers actually. They were raw.

Morehouse tweeted that Davis said he'd talk next week. Kirk also said he'd have a Presser next week too. I think he did that in 2007 as well given there wouldn't be any bowl pressers. Could be an interesting week.

Jon I'm sure you'll recall that in 2007 Lloyd Carr bailed KF out from that post-season presser and ensuing criticism by retiring and the "KF to Michigan" story really picked up a lot of steam to the point I recall you writing an article there was some validity to it.

 

[sportstalent]

I don't think GD is a bad coach or OC for that matter. His schemes simply won't work at Iowa and the philosophies that KF wants to play by. You can't have a power running game and a quick hitting passing game. It just doesn't fit. For example who else in the country goes 5 wide with 2 WR, 2 TE, and a converted FB? It is very difficult to have the personnel to do both.

It became painfully obvious this year, that a KOK offense would have been much more productive this year, than the Davis offense was. Maybe mostly because of the personnel that Iowa has, but either way it was very obvious.

That is quite the revelation since those players playing were recruited to play in KOK's system.

The problem is, Iowa has limited ability in the skill positions...the offense just isn't a fit for Iowa's players.

CJF reminds me of Jason Witten and Iowas has a lot of TE depth that can play behind him...Iowa should have lost the FB and went with 2-TE's exclusively. I find it hilarious that someone thinks Iowa has better players than what they do. Iowa had injuries along an already inexperienced o-line, that didn't help anything.

The fact remains that Iowa's WR's could not perform in the offense laid out to them. The Senior QB that should have been one of the best in the BIG did not fit. Keep in mind how late Davis was hired, this did not help anything either.

If Davis is gone; Brian Ferentz is not a bad choice at o-coordinator, but I think more than anything, Iowa has to start recruiting the raw athletes and coaching them up...also, the JUCO scenario for athletes at WR, or a waterbug RB that is explosive should be in the mix as well.

Iowa needs an infusion of talent moreso than a change in philosophy on either side of the ball.

 

[jacknicholson]

I will not dismiss the Greg Davis chatter.

I will NEVER dismiss the Les Jepsen chatter.

You represent the true Old World Gentleman, Palpatine.....

 

[sportstalent]

I completely disagree. Tired of hearing how bad our skill position players are. A senior QB and WR that were both the leading statistical returning players in the B1G. A stable of solid running backs. A VERY solid o-line. An nfl tight end. And a slot receiver with two kickoff returns for td’s. There was literally no one on the offense whose abilities were utilized properly besides CJ Fed (in the last 2 games).

Hey, you are funny, I enjoy a good laugh.

 

[jacknicholson]

If someone says that the offense under GD is the same as the KOK offense, they are trolling...

Absolutely correct. KOK had Marvin McNutt for Vandy to throw to down field......

The only difference I see is the passes behind the line of scrimmage, going sideways not down field, in addition to the very short passes well short of the first down marker......

Of course, Vandy is not to blame for the many dropped passes, but he is to blame for the passes to a completely open receiver that landed three feet in front of him on the ground......

KOK and GD's style of offense have absolutely no similarity......

 

[tm3308]

Of course it was a crappy playcall. That was not at all the point you were arguing, however. You were using it as an example of how the offense has changed dramatically in a single year, while I correctly pointed out that is in fact a textbook example of the supposedly "dramatically different" GD offense really being just a carbon copy of the KF/KOK offense in many respects.

It was a classic example of how Davis prefers to have passes thrown short of the sticks on critical downs. For all the grief KOK took, that wasn't one of the complaints often leveled against him. Predictable, conservative? Sure. But he also typically understood that getting past the sticks on third and fourth down was pretty critical to success, and his play calls in those situations generally reflected that. Davis' calls reflect his complete ignorance of those orange poles and what they signify.

The actual play may have been one from KOK, but the way in which it was utilized by both men tells the real story.

 

[kmajhawk]

You represent the true Old World Gentleman, Palpatine.....

And, Gawd, we're glad he does!

 

[RocknRollface]

You know, this is a little BS. I work at a school with a coach who runs a fun offense that gets a bunch of different people involved. It is also one of the most productive offenses in college football.

Because the players are having fun, they play with excitement. Also, the recruiting is going through the roof, bacause kids want to be a part of it.

It is a game and these kids are not supposed to be getting paid. They should also have fun.

I get what your saying and Iowa could probably benefit from some of that to help recruiting. Different situation but on the flip side do you think Nick Saban is worried about players having fun?

Theres different ways to win. Which ever way Iowa goes its got to be something different than the boring sloppy and stupid O we see now.

 

[earthman]

Does it really matter? If Davis is gone does anyone actually think Ferentz will hire an OC that opens up the offense and lets the kids have some fun? If Davis leaves Ferentz will search for another consevative OC and we will suffer 4 win seasons until Iowa can afford to fire him.

In the book "Seventy Five Years With the Fighting Hawkeyes", Evy said that 'once in a while you have to let the kids have some fun.'

 

[RocknRollface]

Read the thread, moron. It was a PA pass to the FB in the flat, a play run literally dozens of time under O'Keefe, and was being used as a prototypical example of how the GD offense is different than the previous 13 seasons of KF ball. You idiots really need to start paying attention and learn and least a tiny bit about football before you continue to make fools of yourselves.

Its not the play itself its when it was called and the fact that JVB threw it even though it had very little chance of getting a first down.

The time to call that play is when the d is expecting a run and you only need one or two yards not when the D is expecting a pass on 4th down.

The design of the passing routes is clearly different, I don't know how you can deny that. Its not that KOK didn't use the same routes but he didn't use them exclusively.

The fact that there are almost no long targets makes it a very different scheme.

 

[RocknRollface]

Why, because he's the coach's son? What possible upside does Campbell have? I'd say he's in charge of the worst positional unit on the entire team. I know he didn't recruit them all, but jeez. I can't recall a more ineffective group.

I think Brian Ferentz to OC would be a good move. I think it would help with recruiting, and I think he'd provide what many of us would like to see at Iowa: a more creative approach to a pro-style offense. I think this could eventually help with recruiting the WR position, which has been pretty bad throughout the Ferentz era (DJK & McNutt aside).

No way are the receivers the worst position unit on the team. Qb is the obvious one if Vandeburg is really the best option, which I doubt but whatever. Second the line backers are terrible especially Morris, safety is awful as well.

The receivers have basically been rendered useless by Davis idiotic routes designs and Vandenburgs inability to throw an accurate pass.

 

[djwoody98]

Greg Davis was a bad fit. Iowa's offense was offensive. /thread

 

[RocknRollface]

I don't think GD is a bad coach or OC for that matter. His schemes simply won't work at Iowa and the philosophies that KF wants to play by. You can't have a power running game and a quick hitting passing game. It just doesn't fit. For example who else in the country goes 5 wide with 2 WR, 2 TE, and a converted FB? It is very difficult to have the personnel to do both.

It became painfully obvious this year, that a KOK offense would have been much more productive this year, than the Davis offense was. Maybe mostly because of the personnel that Iowa has, but either way it was very obvious.

Pretty solid point.

 

[jacknicholson]

And, Gawd, we're glad he does!

In only more would follow his pristine example, Kmaj.....

 

[redhawk55]

its interesting People say we need speed to stretch the field, well didn't have it, the last 2 classes appear to have addressed that need,
rather than getting 4.6-4.7 40 guys, we have got 4.4 - 4.5 40 guys in the 2012 class
Mabin 6'2 4.4 40 kid out of Florida, rsd shirting this year
Smith 6'2 4.4 40 kid out of Conn. played
Wilson 6'2 4.5 40 out of Ohio red shirting
Kittle 6'4 4.5 40 out of Oklahoma red shirting
in the 2011 class
Hillyer 6'4 4.5 40 out of Texas played this year as a RSFR
IN THE 2013 Class to date
Harris 5'11 4.4 40 out of Missouri
Mitchell 6'0 4.45 40 out of Missouri
Willies 6'3 4.4 40 out of Illinoios,
none have yet signed

the most intrigue of this class is Mitchell, as a jr he played QB, WR and RB.
60 carries 518 yards 3 TD'S, PASSES 808 yards 10 TD's and 7 INT'S, catches 20 277 yards 2 TD'S.
Defense 39 tackles and 1 int's.. possible Wildcat QB if they try to use him in that role

 

[GhostofBTT]

Hay Herby, those numbers are of no use to me unless you give me their weights.

 

[Tmoney12]

its interesting People say we need speed to stretch the field, well didn't have it, the last 2 classes appear to have addressed that need,
rather than getting 4.6-4.7 40 guys, we have got 4.4 - 4.5 40 guys in the 2012 class
Mabin 6'2 4.4 40 kid out of Florida, rsd shirting this year
Smith 6'2 4.4 40 kid out of Conn. played
Wilson 6'2 4.5 40 out of Ohio red shirting
Kittle 6'4 4.5 40 out of Oklahoma red shirting
in the 2011 class
Hillyer 6'4 4.5 40 out of Texas played this year as a RSFR
IN THE 2013 Class to date
Harris 5'11 4.4 40 out of Missouri
Mitchell 6'0 4.45 40 out of Missouri
Willies 6'3 4.4 40 out of Illinoios,
none have yet signed

the most intrigue of this class is Mitchell, as a jr he played QB, WR and RB.
60 carries 518 yards 3 TD'S, PASSES 808 yards 10 TD's and 7 INT'S, catches 20 277 yards 2 TD'S.
Defense 39 tackles and 1 int's.. possible Wildcat QB if they try to use him in that role

First off no way we sign any of those kids after the poopstain we laid this year. Also do you think Kurt would ever allow a kurtcat qb?

 

[tm3308]

its interesting People say we need speed to stretch the field, well didn't have it, the last 2 classes appear to have addressed that need,
rather than getting 4.6-4.7 40 guys, we have got 4.4 - 4.5 40 guys in the 2012 class
Mabin 6'2 4.4 40 kid out of Florida, rsd shirting this year
Smith 6'2 4.4 40 kid out of Conn. played
Wilson 6'2 4.5 40 out of Ohio red shirting
Kittle 6'4 4.5 40 out of Oklahoma red shirting
in the 2011 class
Hillyer 6'4 4.5 40 out of Texas played this year as a RSFR
IN THE 2013 Class to date
Harris 5'11 4.4 40 out of Missouri
Mitchell 6'0 4.45 40 out of Missouri
Willies 6'3 4.4 40 out of Illinoios,
none have yet signed

the most intrigue of this class is Mitchell, as a jr he played QB, WR and RB.
60 carries 518 yards 3 TD'S, PASSES 808 yards 10 TD's and 7 INT'S, catches 20 277 yards 2 TD'S.
Defense 39 tackles and 1 int's.. possible Wildcat QB if they try to use him in that role

I don't believe, for two seconds, that Hillyer runs a 4.5. And the number of 4.4 guys on this roster is EXTREMELY low, if there are any.