Story: Coaches on Recruiting Trail, Watching TN RB

Hawk5656 said:
There's two sides to every story. I don't buy into everything Kakert gets fed by the Athletic Department
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Yeah I wouldn't take everything he says at face value. It is clear he has chosen a side and clear that he is just repeating and taking everything his source says as gospel. I called him on it and he denies that he is being biased.
 
David79 said:
Yeah I wouldn't take everything he says at face value. It is clear he has chosen a side and clear that he is just repeating and taking everything his source says as gospel. I called him on it and he denies that he is being biased.
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He denied it? He's the biggest Ferentz shill out there and that's saying something since everyone that covers football is scared to ask Ferentz a tough question
 
Knight78 said:
Here's an analogy: You just proposed to your girlfriend (Iowa offers). She accepts your proposal (Eno verballed) and then decides she wants to go see another guy (Eno visits another school) and doesn't tell you.
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I think you may be correct about this being Iowa's outlook, but there are two major problems with that analogy.

First, visiting another school doesn't imply anything more than wanting to take a free trip. Sure it may be more, but it might not. Obviously, going to see another guy is a much more telling thing. I think the visit only compares to talking to another guy in public.

Second, if you're going to dump any girl who looks around (again I don't compare a visit to more) you're really going to limit your options. You'll never "outkick your coverage" and get that awesome girl who's out of your league on many levels. Iowa football needs those ( especially fast ones who can catch ) !
 
Knight78 said:
The staff WAS lenient. After finding out about a visit, he denied taking the visit. The coaches said OK, but don't do another visit without telling us.... and then he went on another visit.... and then he denied taking a visit again. To me, that sounds like either bad decisions (to not tell and then go on a visit and then deny you went on a visit) or he has character issues.

Here's an analogy: You just proposed to your girlfriend (Iowa offers). She accepts your proposal (Eno verballed) and then decides she wants to go see another guy (Eno visits another school) and doesn't tell you. When you find out about it, you confront her with facts and she denies she ever was out with that guy. You decide to let one slide. She then goes out with yet another guy without telling you... and then she denies she was ever out with any other guy, even though there is proof that she was out. Do you still trust her or do you break off the engagement? Personally, I'd break off the engagement; apparently you'd let that slide also.
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Why the proposal analogies everywhere. It's no where near the same thing, because in the proposal analogies I'm missing the part where the other "partner" involved is still pulling strings in the back ground to line the next person up in the event that things fall through.

It's a professional relationship. The player signing is beneficial to the program. The program is beneficial to the individual. This analogy I find ridiculous because I don't think their is a common bond of love undermining the commitment. So the staff is playing just the tip while eno's not being honest about going a little further, so what. Football recruits shouldn't marry coaches and coaches have no business proposing to players. Can we please put the comparison to rest lol. Sorry rant over.
 
deanvogs said:
I'm the only one who can see the point.

You and I just differ on acceptable behavior. I think the coaches were reasonable when they gave Eno a second chance after the Missouri visit and subsequent misleading about it. The coaches were ok with giving him a second chance, they understand that kids make mistake. Yet when he does it again, just a few weeks later, and the subsequent misleading yet again, where do you draw the line? Obviously you and 56 and other feel it is ok to give special treatment to Eno because he is a "life changing" recruit......Others like me feel that is what leads to toxic environments like Penn St. and Baylor where it foster the attitude of "just look the other way".
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Come on Dean. You are the only one that gets it? And you equate a kid visiting a school to coaches covering up rape? That is just stupid.
 
I find it funny that a week ago everyone thought Eno walked on water and was the greatest Hawkeye ambassador we've had in a recruit probably ever. Now we're getting fed what the football program/athletic department wants us to think and people just assume Eno is a liar and deserved to have his offer pulled. On top of that the people that now think Eno's character is in question think it's perfectly OK to poach kids from other schools when they're doing the same thing to their coach that Eno did to us. Mind boggling the people that just think Ferentz walks on water regardless of what he does and didn't royally mess this one up
 
kicker22 said:
While I'm not in favor of the lying if that's what took place to me its hypocritical for a coach to tell a player not to look at other school's when same coach is still actively recruiting players at the same position. In my opinion they are both actively recruiting. The problem I see is that in the coaches position it's ok to continue to recruit and look around they just don't offer. Where as a player can't even look.

The School's benefit from the players. The players benefit from the schools. I just think in this instance it's not fair for the Program to tell a kid that because they've committed they can't continue to look around when they're still looking around at players as well. I don't support the lying situation, but is the staff totally being honest with their recruits while recruiting them in the first place. It seems to me its a business of both sides telling the other party what they want to hear to make a deal.
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nationalchamps said:
Good lawd, there's a lotta stupid in here. Thank gawd you all aren't college football coaches.
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Yes and we at Iowa all know how smart football coaches are.
Time out usage or lack thereof. Too many screw ups to highlight them all
Defending fake punts. Too many screw ups to highlight them all
Letting the clock run out on the last play of the game (LSU) Thanks Drew Tate & Warren Holloway for rescuing our genius from more embarrassment.
Punting from the opponents' 30 yard line. Don't worry, we pinned Nebraska back to the 20 on the punt. We have improved in this category as I believe our deepest penetration into enemy territory that we decided to punt from this season was the 33.
 
tksirius said:
dean & his fellow kirk groupies are the type of people that lose their sh*t when they see someone walking on the left side of a sidewalk.
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Hey hey hey. It's our fault dude. You need to own that. Have you watched the news to see what happens to people in France who question someone's God? So how 'bout you show a little appreciation for still having your head on your shoulders. And remember not to post your address on this website.;)
 
Here's my 2 cents. I don't care if coaches want to pull offers, I don't care if players want to visit elsewhere. Until they sign, there is no commitment.

I do have a problem with people talking about "honor" and "integrity" and "my word is stronger than oak" BS when clearly the coaches only concern is how it benefits them. They are self serving. Just own it and move on.
 
I agree that if we question Eno's character for taking visits while being committed to us, we should probably question other recruit's character for visiting us while being committed to someone else. It's like being a jealous person but starting to date a girl who flirted with everyone and their brother while they were with their last boyfriend. If they are doing what you don't like with one school, they will do it to you too given the chance. If you're the insecure type (iowa is) don't chase after cheaters.
 
theboat said:
Come on Dean. You are the only one that gets it? And you equate a kid visiting a school to coaches covering up rape? That is just stupid.
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For the last time this isn't about visiting another school, you are smarter than this Boat. You don't have to agree with the staff cutting ties, but please don't be one of the idiots who keep pretending this is about a Visit to another school.
 
Hawk5656 said:
I find it funny that a week ago everyone thought Eno walked on water and was the greatest Hawkeye ambassador we've had in a recruit probably ever. Now we're getting fed what the football program/athletic department wants us to think and people just assume Eno is a liar and deserved to have his offer pulled. On top of that the people that now think Eno's character is in question think it's perfectly OK to poach kids from other schools when they're doing the same thing to their coach that Eno did to us. Mind boggling the people that just think Ferentz walks on water regardless of what he does and didn't royally mess this one up
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I posted on Oct 12th that Eno probably was out the door.

Eno is free to do as he pleases, so is Iowa. I'll say it again and you will ignore it again, They didn't part ways because All Eno did was visit another school.
 
PCHawk said:
I agree that if we question Eno's character for taking visits while being committed to us, we should probably question other recruit's character for visiting us while being committed to someone else. It's like being a jealous person but starting to date a girl who flirted with everyone and their brother while they were with their last boyfriend. If they are doing what you don't like with one school, they will do it to you too given the chance. If you're the insecure type (iowa is) don't chase after cheaters.
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I don't question Eno for taking another visit, I just question why he wasn't up front about it?

Pretty good analogy. I think the staff felt exactly what you are saying.....that a pattern had now begun and they weren't going to be able to trust Eno any longer.
 
deanvogs said:
I posted on Oct 12th that Eno probably was out the door.

Eno is free to do as he pleases, so is Iowa. I'll say it again and you will ignore it again, They didn't part ways because All Eno did was visit another school.
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I assume you spoke to Eno about this and it didn't come from Kakert who gets spoon fed what info Iowa wants him to put out there.
 
Hawk5656 said:
I assume you spoke to Eno about this and it didn't come from Kakert who gets spoon fed what info Iowa wants him to put out there.
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Do you think Eno was honest about his visits? How in the world did he officially visit two schools with not a report of it? You honestly think that is how this went down, that Eno came to the staff and told them he was gonna visit Missouri and Iowa since they have some draconian policy ripped away his offer???
 
deanvogs said:
Do you think Eno was honest about his visits? How in the world did he officially visit two schools with not a report of it? You honestly think that is how this went down, that Eno came to the staff and told them he was gonna visit Missouri and Iowa since they have some draconian policy ripped away his offer???
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I don't know if he was honest about it or not. Eno seems like a great kid, he might have taken visits without telling the staff but I doubt he denied visiting Missouri, then went to Arizona State got caught and then lied to them about it again. Seems like they're trying to feed Kakert anything they can do to damage control here. There's two sides to every story and like usual the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle
 
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