Story: Coaches on Recruiting Trail, Watching TN RB

Coaches spend just as much time getting to know the players as the players do getting to know the coaches. It's part of recruiting. If you can't trust a player enough to trust that they'll honor their commitment then why offer. I just think it's idiotic to prohibit a player from visiting other schools when those same coaches are visiting high schools across the county looking at players who very well could easily be playing that very same position but listed as an "athlete".
 
KF had done a decent job of building up some goodwill with last year, and that's acceptable....even if there were still signs of issues with scheme and gameday coaching.

Things really started to turn around when it appeared this goodwill extended towards recruiting, something that we've only seen once before (2005). And now things are falling apart on and off the field.

It is entirely on the staff to fix this mess. To fix the product on the field. To repair, keep, and build back our '17 class. Can it be done? Absolutely.

We'll find out in the next few months if it happens. I'm not sure it'll be turned around on the field, so it's up to a staff that doesn't regularly recruit well, or finish strong in recruiting, to finish this class off.
 
Hawk5656 said:
So why do we try to poach kids then? Only take visits after you commit to Iowa but we'll try anything to get you on campus after you're committed to another school
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Why wouldn't they? Their job is to recruit kids. If the kid wants to visit and the staff wants them why wouldn't they try to get them? If the other school can't keep their kids committed, that isn't their problem.

Any 5 year old could tell you that you have a better chance of keeping a committed recruit if they DON'T take visits. Do you think our policy should be to allow all commits to take as many visits as they like?
 
kicker22 said:
Coaches spend just as much time getting to know the players as the players do getting to know the coaches. It's part of recruiting. If you can't trust a player enough to trust that they'll honor their commitment then why offer. I just think it's idiotic to prohibit a player from visiting other schools when those same coaches are visiting high schools across the county looking at players who very well could easily be playing that very same position but listed as an "athlete".
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Any 5 year old could tell you that you have a better chance of keeping a committed recruit if they DON'T take visits. Do you think our policy should be to allow all commits to take as many visits as they like?
 
deanvogs said:
Not a good comparison at all. The kid is still getting recruited, and the coaches are still recruiting. The coaches don't tell them they expect ZERO contact with these schools. They tell the kids that they won't offer anyone (not that they won't talk to anyone) and the recruit shouldn't take any visits (not that they won't talk to another school).
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So the coaches aren't bringing these kids that they are not offering on campus for visits? Or offering them scholarships as "athletes" or inviting them to walk on? Coaches play the very same games as recruits do. It's all part of the game.
 
tksirius said:
I'm sorry, but it's fricken hilarious how they're going after all these RB recruits that are committed to other schools.
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So besides our recruit, Ivory Kelly-Martin, who are they going after.... besides a verbal commit to Purdue who has fired their coach (and thus opening up all Purdue commits)?
 
deanvogs said:
Any 5 year old could tell you that you have a better chance of keeping a committed recruit if they DON'T take visits. Do you think our policy should be to allow all commits to take as many visits as they like?
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And any 5 year old could also tell you that you have a chance at retaining a commitment from a player that may visit other schools, but you have a zero percent chance if you revoke or don't honor their committal. Just my opinion but any chance at all at retention is greater than zero.
 
deanvogs said:
Any 5 year old could tell you that you have a better chance of keeping a committed recruit if they DON'T take visits. Do you think our policy should be to allow all commits to take as many visits as they like?
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Isn't that showing the kid they're above everything else because they're committed to another school but still visiting other schools? What lessons are we teaching these kids?
 
tksirius said:
Well, it is dean, so....
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Certain people turn a blind eye to things. Certain people don't.

Most on here would give two squirts less if Jacob Coon took a visit to Missouri and the coaches cut him loose. Those same posters rant and rave, and act like the world is coming to a end because Eno got cut loose because he was taking secret visits and lying about them
 
This isn't about a visit. You do understand that right?

It is like you have clung onto the biggest possible Strawman in the world just because you wanna have a hissy fit.
 
deanvogs said:
Certain people turn a blind eye to things. Certain people don't.

Most on here would give to squirts less if Jacob Coon took a visit to Missouri and the coaches cut him loose. Those same posters rant and rave, and act like the world is coming to a end because that happened to Eno.
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You need to slow down and think before you post.
 
Hawk5656 said:
And that's how you get elite talent. There's a difference in being lenient during the recruitment process and letting them do whatever they want when they get here. It's not like Eno is a threat to make bad decisions or has character issues because he wants to make sure he's making the right decision on his future. If that's the case all these kids were trying to poach are making decisions like they're above everything else too
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The staff WAS lenient. After finding out about a visit, he denied taking the visit. The coaches said OK, but don't do another visit without telling us.... and then he went on another visit.... and then he denied taking a visit again. To me, that sounds like either bad decisions (to not tell and then go on a visit and then deny you went on a visit) or he has character issues.

Here's an analogy: You just proposed to your girlfriend (Iowa offers). She accepts your proposal (Eno verballed) and then decides she wants to go see another guy (Eno visits another school) and doesn't tell you. When you find out about it, you confront her with facts and she denies she ever was out with that guy. You decide to let one slide. She then goes out with yet another guy without telling you... and then she denies she was ever out with any other guy, even though there is proof that she was out. Do you still trust her or do you break off the engagement? Personally, I'd break off the engagement; apparently you'd let that slide also.
 
deanvogs said:
And we wonder why these football players make decisions like they are above everything else.....Welp it is because they just do whatever they want, and certain coaches and fans will turn a blind eye to anything.
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This is what I have a problem with because KF and his staff are letting players do whatever they want by trying to get them to visit after they are already committed to another school.
 
deanvogs said:
Not a good comparison at all. The kid is still getting recruited, and the coaches are still recruiting. The coaches don't tell them they expect ZERO contact with these schools. They tell the kids that they won't offer anyone (not that they won't talk to anyone) and the recruit shouldn't take any visits (not that they won't talk to another school).
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This too. Our recruits shouldn't take any visits but we're trying to get visits from recruits that are committed to other schools.
 
Knight78 said:
The staff WAS lenient. After finding out about a visit, he denied taking the visit. The coaches said OK, but don't do another visit without telling us.... and then he went on another visit.... and then he denied taking a visit again. To me, that sounds like either bad decisions (to not tell and then go on a visit and then deny you went on a visit) or he has character issues.

Here's an analogy: You just proposed to your girlfriend (Iowa offers). She accepts your proposal (Eno verballed) and then decides she wants to go see another guy (Eno visits another school) and doesn't tell you. When you find out about it, you confront her with facts and she denies she ever was out with that guy. You decide to let one slide. She then goes out with yet another guy without telling you... and then she denies she was ever out with any other guy, even though there is proof that she was out. Do you still trust her or do you break off the engagement? Personally, I'd break off the engagement; apparently you'd let that slide also.
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There's two sides to every story. I don't buy into everything Kakert gets fed by the Athletic Department
 
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