Rivals 2013 Class Rankings

[lightning1]

I like Niang. He has a nice game and just plays...doesn't run his mouth like Ejim and too many ISU fans. I don't see him numbers getting any better next year. He was not the focal point of opposing defenses last year but will get more attention this year. I think Woodbury's numbers will improve substantially. I see no point in comparing the 2. It's apples and oranges.[/QUOTEyou

You really have no clue what you're talking about do you? Niang runs his mouth nonstop on the court. I like that about him he wears his emotions on his sleeve. Ejim is the more silent, workman like player. Led the Big 12 in rebounds. You honestly think Woodbury's numbers will get better? Why? Iowa returns the exact same roster. Not only that Jok and the Wisky transfer will take minutes you'd think. I truly don't see Woodbury improving much on his 4 points per game and four rebounds per game average. Niang averaged 12 points and 4 rebounds per game and they lose KL, Babb, Mcgee and Clyburn. That's a lot of scoring and Niang and Ejim will be expected to carry the load...especpeially early on. I see Niang being around a 18-20 ppg, 6 rpg type player next year. I see woodbury around 5 ppg and 5-6 rpg type guy. Trust me, Niang has plenty of room to improve and he will! So I guess you're right...it is apples and oranges.

Did Woodbury break double digit scoring once all season? Maybe once? I just don't think he is a program changer just speaking the truth. Maybe he'll prove me wrong.

Put your money where your mouth is. I'd be willing to bet you $1000 cash that Woodbury ends up averaging double figures before his career is over. If that's too rich for your blood, name an amount you are comfortable with. If you don't want to bet money, I'd be willing to bet a form of public humiliation. Like the looser has to wear the other teams colors at the opposing teams stadium for an entire season. Just name it!

 

[WindsorHawk]

I don't think you know which one is which.

I could be wrong. Perhaps they both run their mouths like too many ISU fans. I won't have too much trouble surrendering on this one...still detest Ejim.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Trey Burke 18.6 PPG
Russ Smith 18.7 PPG
Pierre Jackson 19.7 PPG
Deshaun Thomas 19.8 PPG
Eric Green 25 PPG

Those are some of he top scorers in the nation last year from a major conference (off the top of my head anyway).

I can see Niang scoring 14 PPG next year, I doubt very, very seriously that he approaches 18 PPG. I doubt it so much, I'd put my money where my mouth is......will you?

Please don't lecture others, saying they have no clue, when you are throwing out AVG. 18-20 PPG, and not realizing that would make him an elite scorer in a major conference. This is akin to old Herby's double double prediction for Gabe his Fr. year......

The only problem I see with this post is calling the Big 12 a major conference. I see them as more of a mid-major these days.

 

[WindsorHawk]

I like Niang. He has a nice game and just plays...doesn't run his mouth like Ejim and too many ISU fans. I don't see him numbers getting any better next year. He was not the focal point of opposing defenses last year but will get more attention this year. I think Woodbury's numbers will improve substantially. I see no point in comparing the 2. It's apples and oranges.[/QUOTEyou

You really have no clue what you're talking about do you? Niang runs his mouth nonstop on the court. I like that about him he wears his emotions on his sleeve. Ejim is the more silent, workman like player. Led the Big 12 in rebounds. You honestly think Woodbury's numbers will get better? Why? Iowa returns the exact same roster. Not only that Jok and the Wisky transfer will take minutes you'd think. I truly don't see Woodbury improving much on his 4 points per game and four rebounds per game average. Niang averaged 12 points and 4 rebounds per game and they lose KL, Babb, Mcgee and Clyburn. That's a lot of scoring and Niang and Ejim will be expected to carry the load...especpeially early on. I see Niang being around a 18-20 ppg, 6 rpg type player next year. I see woodbury around 5 ppg and 5-6 rpg type guy. Trust me, Niang has plenty of room to improve and he will! So I guess you're right...it is apples and oranges.

Did Woodbury break double digit scoring once all season? Maybe once? I just don't think he is a program changer just speaking the truth. Maybe he'll prove me wrong.

I don't know much about ISU. You're right. You and others in this thread have convinced me that both Ejim and Niang are punks and perfect fits for ISU. We agree on something. Are you happy now?

Woodbury will get stronger and his numbers will most likely improve. Niang will draw more attention and probably produce at about the same level as last year.

 

[Cydkar]

I could be wrong. Perhaps they both run their mouths like too many ISU fans. I won't have too much trouble surrendering on this one...still detest Ejim.

I don't understand how anybody can detest Ejim, other than the rivalry. He is the definition of a student athlete.

 

[SheagleHawk]

I don't understand how anybody can detest Ejim, other than the rivalry. He is the definition of a student athlete.

I agree. Probably my favorite player on your team. Niang, though, is a db. Ejim is a class act IMO. I also enjoy watching him play and wish he played for the good guys

 

[JohnUnitas]

give you 2 examples that disprove your point, and you choose to ignore them you say they do not apply, why doesn't the Gesell example apply? Because it proves you wrong so you choose to ignore talk about looking foolish.

Okay here are some addition players in the top 100 that do not meet your criteria that being an offer from (I am sure you will figure out how to ignore them too..

Louisville, Duke, NC, MSU, MICH, OSU, Florida, Arizona, UCLA, Kansas, Texas, Indiana, Kentucky, UCONN, Georgetown, Syracuse


Texas is a bit of a stretch all of the others actually played for or won a national title. Marquette is more of a premier progam than is Texas, but I understand why you would not count them.

Kendall Wilson ranked #61 by Rivals no offers from the above.
Jordan Bell ranked #68 by Rivals no offers from the above schools
Christian Wood ranked # 40 by Rivals no offers from above
Kuran Austin ranked #28 by Rivals no offers from above.
Malcolm Hill ranked #62 by Rivals no offers from above
Kris Jenkins ranked #74 by Rivals no offers from above.
Jordan Matthew ranked 78 by Rivals no offers from above,
Mamadou Ndiaye ranke 80 by Rivals no offers from above.

MIKE GESELL 2012 RECRUIT NO OFFERS FROM ABOVE TOP 75 RECRUIT AND STILL A VERY GOOD PLAYER AT IOWA FRESHMEN YEAR


I can go on but it is just to easy at this point.

Gesell was average at best.

 

[BrueCrew3]

Gesell was average at best.

Are you cereal? He was better than average on a better than average team.

GO HAWKS!!!

 

[DaBears]

You are wrong about Marble but you admitted that you didn't watch Iowa that much. Marble could score anywhere from the rim to the 3pt line. He doesn't have NBA ball handling skills. He doesn't beat guys off the dribble with speed. He can't jump out of the gym. Yet he still managed 15 PPG and the reason is because he has a mid range game.

Marble could score against slow white teams, ala wisconsin. Marble could not do ANYTHING against athletic teams, ala Baylor.

 

[DaBears]

Gotta love the envy of Niang (what every hawk fan wishes their freshman "studs" would have been).

 

[sportstalent]

Gesell was average at best.

Go fly with the other pigeons and poop somewhere else.

Gesell was better than average, did he put up gaudy numbers, well no...but not a whole lot of other freshman did in the Big Ten outside of Gary Harris. The freshman class in the Big Ten was great, but Harris was the guy that separated himself from everyone else and amazingly enough, he was the second highest rated prospect coming in behind GR3.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Trey Burke 18.6 PPG
Russ Smith 18.7 PPG
Pierre Jackson 19.7 PPG
Deshaun Thomas 19.8 PPG
Eric Green 25 PPG

Those are some of he top scorers in the nation last year from a major conference (off the top of my head anyway).

I can see Niang scoring 14 PPG next year, I doubt very, very seriously that he approaches 18 PPG. I doubt it so much, I'd put my money where my mouth is......will you?

Please don't lecture others, saying they have no clue, when you are throwing out AVG. 18-20 PPG, and not realizing that would make him an elite scorer in a major conference. This is akin to old Herby's double double prediction for Gabe his Fr. year......

Please at least sit and think for a second before you write this stuff up. I have no clue what I'm talkng about? You buddy have absolutely zero clue! Let's compare year #1 for Niang to year #1 of your above players. Every player has a different story I'm aware of that. Different roles. Keep in mind Niang did not start until the first game of conference play. He averaged the fifth most minutes on ISU's roster at 25 minutes per game. His minutes and shot attempts will increase quite a bit next year.

Trey Burke: 14 ppg (freshman)/18.6 ppg (SO)
Russ Smith: 2 ppg (freshman)/11 ppg (SO)/18.7 ppg (JR)
Pierre Jackson: 13 ppg (JR)/ 19.7 ppg (SR) *JUCO transfer
DeShaun Thomas: 7.5 ppg (fresh)/ 16 ppg (SO)/ 19.8 (JR)
Erick Green: 2 ppg(fresh)/11 ppg (So)/ 15.6 ppg (JR)/ 25 ppg (SR)
Georges Niang: 12 ppg (Freshman)

So I guess my question is...what in the world is your point? When it comes to scoring alone Niang blew Smith's, Green's and Thomas' freshman years out of the water! He had a comparable year to maybe the games elite scorers in Burke and Jackson. Yes, you're right. I guess I'm crazy for thinking the kid can average 18-20 ppg. He will be an elite scorer in the game next year.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Here's a nugget for you as well. Niang averaged 12 per game on an average of 25 minutes per last year. 25. He should be in the neighborhood of 35 next year. 10 more minutes a game is pretty significant. Last I checked my math that's 1/4 a game.

2012-2013 minutes per game:
Burke: 35
Smith: 30
Jackson: 35
Thomas: 35
Green: 36
Niang: 25

Point made.

 

[lightning1]

Here's a nugget for you as well. Niang averaged 12 per game on an average of 25 minutes per last year. 25. He should be in the neighborhood of 35 next year. 10 more minutes a game is pretty significant. Last I checked my math that's 1/4 a game.

2012-2013 minutes per game:
Burke: 35
Smith: 30
Jackson: 35
Thomas: 35
Green: 36
Niang: 25

Point made.

Here's a nugget for you: A FR like Niang can score 12 PPG when other teams have to account for Clyburn @ 15 PPG, McGee @ 13 PPG, Ejim @ 11 PPG, Lucious @ 10 PPG and Babbs @ 9 PPG. That is balanced scoring from a lot of upperclassmen. When you have Clyburn, McGee, Babbs and Lucious graduate, who do you think opposing defenses are going to focus on next season? My guess would be that Ejim and Niang will see a lot of double teaming in the post and sagging zone defenses. From a team stand point, that might not be a bad thing if your young guys can shoot and pass the ball. But IMO, Ejim and Niang's stats will suffer next season. I am interested in your thoughts on this, If you'd be so kind. I would be interested in who else is going to come into the line up and put up 47 points, so Niang can add to his existing numbers. Thanks.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Here's a nugget for you: A FR like Niang can score 12 PPG when other teams have to account for Clyburn @ 15 PPG, McGee @ 13 PPG, Ejim @ 11 PPG, Lucious @ 10 PPG and Babbs @ 9 PPG. That is balanced scoring from a lot of upperclassmen. When you have Clyburn, McGee, Babbs and Lucious graduate, who do you think opposing defenses are going to focus on next season? My guess would be that Ejim and Niang will see a lot of double teaming in the post and sagging zone defenses. From a team stand point, that might not be a bad thing if your young guys can shoot and pass the ball. But IMO, Ejim and Niang's stats will suffer next season. I am interested in your thoughts on this, If you'd be so kind. I would be interested in who else is going to come into the line up and put up 47 points, so Niang can add to his existing numbers. Thanks.

Yeah you're right. Teams really started to really focus in on Deshaun Thomas after Sullinger, Buford, Diebler and Lighty left. Teams started to "sag and doubble team him and his stats suffered." His scoring just fell off drastically. He couldn't handle being the primary scorer you're right. He progressed from 7 ppg as a freshman to 16 as a soph and then 19.8 as a junior.

If it's so easy to score 12 as a freshman when teams have to account for Sullinger @ 17, Buford @ 14, Diebler @ 12, Lighty @ 12. Why did a lethal scorer like Thomas only average 7? That is balanced scoring! You said it's easy to get 12 per as a freshman when teams are paying attention to other guys.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on this if you'd be so kind? How'd Thomas score nearly 20 a game with teams focusing their defense solely on him? Answer: He is surrounded by Division 1 players. Focus all you want on him but the others on the floor will hurt you and the most talented player will get his. Please, your thoughts...

 

[sportstalent]

Yeah you're right. Teams really started to really focus in on Deshaun Thomas after Sullinger, Buford, Diebler and Lighty left. Teams started to "sag and doubble team him and his stats suffered." His scoring just fell off drastically. He couldn't handle being the primary scorer you're right. He progressed from 7 ppg as a freshman to 16 as a soph and then 19.8 as a junior.

If it's so easy to score 12 as a freshman when teams have to account for Sullinger @ 17, Buford @ 14, Diebler @ 12, Lighty @ 12. Why did a lethal scorer like Thomas only average 7? That is balanced scoring! You said it's easy to get 12 per as a freshman when teams are paying attention to other guys.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on this if you'd be so kind? How'd Thomas score nearly 20 a game with teams focusing their defense solely on him? Answer: He is surrounded by Division 1 players. Focus all you want on him but the others on the floor will hurt you and the most talented player will get his. Please, your thoughts...

You really are going to compare the ISU player surrounding Niang to the OSU players surrounding Thomas...Really?

Look, Niang is a good player, but I wouldn't bet on a huge increase from him, probably similar numbers and that is not a bad thing.

Also, Niang/Thomas totally different players, not to say it can't happen, but I don't see it.

 

[lightning1]

Yeah you're right. Teams really started to really focus in on Deshaun Thomas after Sullinger, Buford, Diebler and Lighty left. Teams started to "sag and doubble team him and his stats suffered." His scoring just fell off drastically. He couldn't handle being the primary scorer you're right. He progressed from 7 ppg as a freshman to 16 as a soph and then 19.8 as a junior.

If it's so easy to score 12 as a freshman when teams have to account for Sullinger @ 17, Buford @ 14, Diebler @ 12, Lighty @ 12. Why did a lethal scorer like Thomas only average 7? That is balanced scoring! You said it's easy to get 12 per as a freshman when teams are paying attention to other guys.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on this if you'd be so kind? How'd Thomas score nearly 20 a game with teams focusing their defense solely on him? Answer: He is surrounded by Division 1 players. Focus all you want on him but the others on the floor will hurt you and the most talented player will get his. Please, your thoughts...

Oh that's easy to explain. Thomas only avg 14 min per game his FR season. Only Lighty and Diebler graduated that year. The next year, Thomas' min per game avg more than doubled and his PPG avg did too (14/7 as a FR to 31/15 as a SO). Craft came in and picked up Diebler's mins and he avg 9 PPG. Smith Jr took over for Lighty and he avg 8 PPG . Sullinger returned as well. So that's 2 players leaving, not 4. This last season 3 Starters returned with Sullinger and Buford graduating. Again, 2 players leaving, not 4 and Thomas avg went from 15 PPG to only 18 PPG, with his mins increasing 5 per game.
Instead of cobbling up crap without checking your facts, maybe you could just answer my question using players from the ISU roster to put together a logical theory that might enlighten us.
And if you are going to reference my post for your argument, don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was easy for a FR to score 12 PPG.

 

[lightning1]

Here is the ISU roster:

3	Melvin Ejim	F	22	6'6"	230	3/4/1991	Junior	Toronto, ON
33	Tyler Ellerman	F	21	6'8"	240	3/22/1992	Junior	Dallas Center, IA
24	Percy Gibson	C	20	6'9"	260	11/29/1992	Sophomore	Detroit, MI
10	Aaron Law	G	21	5'11"	175	3/25/1992	Freshman	Chapel Hill, NC
15	Naz Long	G	19	6'4"	210	8/3/1993	Freshman	Mississauga, ON

31

Georges Niang

F

19

6'7"

245

6/17/1993

Freshman

Methuen, MA

C	JC	NR	Richard Amardi (Indian Hills-Ottumwa) Ottumwa, IA		6-9/220	09/13/2012		Iowa State
PG	17		Monte Morris (Beecher HS) Flint, MI		6-1/150	06/27/2012		Iowa State
SG	13		Matt Thomas (Onalaska HS) Onalaska, WI		6-4/175	06/16/2012		Iowa State

Who starts?

 

[ForeverIowan]

Oh that's easy to explain. Thomas only avg 14 min per game his FR season. Only Lighty and Diebler graduated that year. The next year, Thomas' min per game avg more than doubled and his PPG avg did too (14/7 as a FR to 31/15 as a SO). Craft came in and picked up Diebler's mins and he avg 9 PPG. Smith Jr took over for Lighty and he avg 8 PPG . Sullinger returned as well. So that's 2 players leaving, not 4. This last season 3 Starters returned with Sullinger and Buford graduating. Again, 2 players leaving, not 4 and Thomas avg went from 15 PPG to only 18 PPG, with his mins increasing 5 per game.
Instead of cobbling up crap without checking your facts, maybe you could just answer my question using players from the ISU roster to put together a logical theory that might enlighten us.
And if you are going to reference my post for your argument, don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was easy for a FR to score 12 PPG.

Ok so you're saying there's a strong correlation between minutes played and points? Can you do some 3rd grade math for me?

If Niang averaged 12.1 ppg on 25 minutes that equals an average of approximately 1 point every two minutes played, correct? If he increases his minutes from 25 to 35 (which I said I think he'll average) that equals approximately another 5 points per game. 12 + 5 = 17 ppg.

In my personal opinion, he'll average more shot attempts/makes per minute as they will rely more on him to look to score. Don't understand why 18-20 ppg is so crazy of a prediction. Seems prety reasonable actually. Done discussing this. Maybe Woodbury wll get his average up to 5 next year!

 

[lightning1]

Ok so you're saying there's a strong correlation between minutes played and points? Can you do some 3rd grade math for me?

If Niang averaged 12.1 ppg on 25 minutes that equals an average of approximately 1 point every two minutes played, correct? If he increases his minutes from 25 to 35 (which I said I think he'll average) that equals approximately another 5 points per game. 12 + 5 = 17 ppg.

In my personal opinion, he'll average more shot attempts/makes per minute as they will rely more on him to look to score. Don't understand why 18-20 ppg is so crazy of a prediction. Seems prety reasonable actually. Done discussing this. Maybe Woodbury wll get his average up to 5 next year!

Anything's possible. Are you willing to be on it? I am. Niang won't avg 17 PPG on the season. How much?