Really starting to think, Jok should not be starting.

I don't perceive this being Jok's fault. He is manhandled every time he touchs the ball, I also do not believe he is 100% recovered from his injuries. Not his fault that he gets playing time. Perhaps he should not start, coming in off the bench. Could provide a quick boost. Would like to see Baer starting right now.

Our passing has suffered because we are standing around waiting for Jordan and Peter to take a hard earned shot. Need more motion and passing to implement the rest of the team in the offense. I am always amazed at the lack of any screening for Jok and Bohannon. Against Illinois there were many occasions when Peter and Jordan were bringing the ball downcourt, where we should have provided screens on the wings, where they are very efficient. But no screens at all, except a few stumbling attempts as the timeclock ticks away. Jordan is more effective when he shoots on the move, bringing the ball down, stopping, taking a step back or not, and launching. There have been a few times late in the game, crunch time, when he should have shot the ball instead of looking for a double covered Jok.

On Defense, we really need to approach the whole aspect more intelligently. Again not rocket science. Bottom line: Protect the Basket. How many times yesterday did Ilinois have uncontested layups or dunks, untouched all the way to the basket, this while our D was supposedly set, not all transition baskets. Even Nicholas, always the most intelligent basketball player on the court wherever we are playing, made a glaring mistake. Manbun was standing in the corner late in the game, crunch time, Baer was halfway between him and the basket, the ball went inside, two hawks were already under the basket, and Baer went to help out, leaving Manbun wide open by 10/15 feet to receive a pass and nail a three. Serious lapses in judgement need to be stopped.

However I was impressed by Tyler's D yesterday. Much better, Cordell coming around also. And Isaiah's D was outstanding, for the most part, especially when our 3/4 trap was in effect. When the trap is working, we do it as well as any team on the Planet.

This team has performed better that I expected, and at times worse than I expected. Lot of talent and ability there, with much more on the way. Only a fool would have anticipated the NIT this season. This is a REBUILDING year. Simply that. Now we are still outside the NIT bubble looking in, realizing that time is fast fading. I personally believe that if we win our last two at Carver, whether or not, we win a game in the BIG Tounament, we will be under consideration for the NIT.

Mere idle speculation on a lazy Sunday afternoon.


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He appears to be a good teammate. He isn't just jackin up shots "tryin to get his". He was 4-8 yesterday and had 16 points, lead the team in assists.......The turnovers were a killer, other than Cook he was Iowa's most effective scorer.
 
He's a solid B1G player. Probably honorable mention type. Nothing more.

What are we even arguing here? I agree Iowa is better off with a healthy Jok. I just don't think he's healthy right now and the stats prove that. We still need him, just at a more manageable 20-25 minutes.

the Big Ten hasn't seen the full Diopp yet, His explosiveness is astronomical. He can put the ball on the floor from the arc and explode to the basket. I've seen it. He will be drafted and play in the NBA. My son was able to play with and against quite a bit of D1 talent, including a number of starters in the Big Ten. Btw, J Lyle from OSU's quickness is out of this world. Iowa should never lose to a team with Malcolm Hill and Finke getting major minutes. Finke has burned the Hawks 2x for double figures. He's got to be the slowest player in the Big Ten. Diopp is far and away better than Hill. The guy is a bit unbelievable, but does have a tendency to not take leadership until he has to do it. Iowa was recruiting a player similar to Pemsyl who was taller and quicker, but offered Pemsyl. The other kid is in the Mo Valley. I like Pemsyl, but Iowa didn't offer the better player.

Iowa wasn't going to continue to win without Jok. Iowa's change in game pace was a surprise to a couple of not so good teams. Kind of hard to pull a guys minutes because the rest of the team can't really offer the opportunity for him not to be targeted.
 
the Big Ten hasn't seen the full Diopp yet, His explosiveness is astronomical. He can put the ball on the floor from the arc and explode to the basket. I've seen it. He will be drafted and play in the NBA. My son was able to play with and against quite a bit of D1 talent, including a number of starters in the Big Ten. Btw, J Lyle from OSU's quickness is out of this world. Iowa should never lose to a team with Malcolm Hill and Finke getting major minutes. Finke has burned the Hawks 2x for double figures. He's got to be the slowest player in the Big Ten. Diopp is far and away better than Hill. The guy is a bit unbelievable, but does have a tendency to not take leadership until he has to do it. Iowa was recruiting a player similar to Pemsyl who was taller and quicker, but offered Pemsyl. The other kid is in the Mo Valley. I like Pemsyl, but Iowa didn't offer the better player.

Iowa wasn't going to continue to win without Jok. Iowa's change in game pace was a surprise to a couple of not so good teams. Kind of hard to pull a guys minutes because the rest of the team can't really offer the opportunity for him not to be targeted.

You're talking about the kid like he was a sure fire All-American. He's been an above average college player, just because your son played against him doesn't make him Lebron James. When he graduates next year he will be a 22 year old senior, his chances at the NBA are very slim.
 
You're talking about the kid like he was a sure fire All-American. He's been an above average college player, just because your son played against him doesn't make him Lebron James. When he graduates next year he will be a 22 year old senior, his chances at the NBA are very slim.

You are making a leap there, but that doesn't make me ignorant either. Diop will be in the NBA and never said he was James or anything like that. The kid is really good though. The draft will determine things for a number of players. Of all the players I've seen up close, he's the best and there is some good company.

this is a pretty fair analysis: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Keita-Bates-Diop-7256/
more recent
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2644943-the-top-10-2017-nba-draft-prospects-in-the-big-ten
Btw, his brother had a cardiac arrest last week at a practice.
 
Definitely makes recruits want to come here also! Given the team four years, All Big 10 player, leads the team in points, rebounds per game, second in steals and assists, plus came back to school this year when you could have left and played somewhere professionally. But we are building for next year so thanks for playing, we are benching you lol. Oh yeah, keep going to class, you must be close to graduating by now so there's that positive! How could recruits not want to jump on the opportunity to follow in those footsteps?

Ya because recruits definitely want to come and sit behind a Senior who is either not healthy or in a slump or both. I also never said that Jok shouldn't play. I simply said he isn't playing as good as 5 other guys. My starting 5 right now at this very moment would be Jbo, Williams, Baer, Wagner and Cook. I believe this is our best possible defensive lineup. Jbo and Baer can shoot 3's Williams can penetrate and has been awesome at the top of the zone D the last 2 games. Both Wagner and Cook can score inside and can protect the basket. The only problem with my lineup is rebounding, but if we brought Baer and Williams to the paint after a shot I think they could help mitigate the lack luster rebounding of Cook. Off the bench would come Moss, Ellingson, Jok, Uhl and Pemsel. Kreiner can be plugged in situationally as needed to spell bigs or to fill in for foul trouble. This is the best use of personnel IMO. Again if I were Fran I would build my lineup around the best defensive group. This team has 11 guys that can score. We don't have 11 that defend adequately.
 
Last 7 games:

25/70 FG (35.7 %)
8/37 3PT (21.6%)
3.14 Turnovers Per Game
Bad defense

If you shoot a bunch of shots you can lead the team in scoring, but it's a lot of missed shots as well. Peter is not Peter at the moment, I can see it, and I want to win so I would suggest to play him less. Simple concept and can work. The defense he plays is a large liability at the moment, and he played a lot better D earlier in the year. Love Peter, just play him less man! If all our guys had same stats the last 7 games as Jok, with the same level of D he provides, things would have been even worse than they've been.
 
Personally he needs some good experienced players around him. He needs s coach who can teach position defense, get a real pt guard and can coach half court. The guy will play NBA not just get drafted.

What is position defense? That isn't really a basketball term. Maybe you are just using a football term for lack of better description. Basketball defense is fluid. Players sag or flair, rotate or switch based on the ball movement and off ball movement. There isn't really a true position on defense. You would like to keep your bigs low and your guards high, but offenses are designed to specifically effect that. In zone you have areas and responsibilities and in man it is a real free for all. You go where your man goes unless your switching. Which is actually more like a zone man hybrid.
 
It's called facts. He was fine yesterday. Saying we should bench our best player is a pathetic troll job

Don't be a drama queen. Noone called for Jok to be "benched". Benching means a guy doesn't play at all. Jok was benched for 2 games while injured. Taking him out of the starting rotation is not benching.
 
You are making a leap there, but that doesn't make me ignorant either. Diop will be in the NBA and never said he was James or anything like that. The kid is really good though. The draft will determine things for a number of players. Of all the players I've seen up close, he's the best and there is some good company.

this is a pretty fair analysis: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Keita-Bates-Diop-7256/
more recent
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2644943-the-top-10-2017-nba-draft-prospects-in-the-big-ten
Btw, his brother had a cardiac arrest last week at a practice.

I'm not so sure Diop will be drafted. With his size and athleticism though he will undoubtedly get a look at the NBA. I envision a similar path as Marble & Uthoff. If he makes a team it will be because of individual team need. If he actually plays it will be because of improvement. Right now he doesn't appear to be ready to crack any starting lineups in the NBA so he is developmental at best. He is your stereotypical project guy. Playing pro ball requires more than being a talented athlete.
 
What is position defense? That isn't really a basketball term. Maybe you are just using a football term for lack of better description. Basketball defense is fluid. Players sag or flair, rotate or switch based on the ball movement and off ball movement. There isn't really a true position on defense. You would like to keep your bigs low and your guards high, but offenses are designed to specifically effect that. In zone you have areas and responsibilities and in man it is a real free for all. You go where your man goes unless your switching. Which is actually more like a zone man hybrid.

Don't be an idiot. Fran doesn't teach players proper position of hands, feet, and so on. Defense is not following.

That said, Illinois oft burns Fran because they have a big that will light it up upside, not to mention players like Hill not being defended well. Hill is a good player, he's not a terrific player. He will knock down what he's given. There is no reason for Finke to ever score much on Iowa.
 
This team is poor at setting screens for Jok. Seems like that they are not getting good coaching. Watch tonight's game with Indiana and see how many more screens they set for their shooters than does Iowa. At the end of the Illinois game, Cook (who was the most effective scorer for the Hawks in this game) spent most of his time on the bench. He could have taken some pressure off of Jok. But I guess Fran thinks you foul out with 4 fouls not 5.
 
This team is poor at setting screens for Jok. Seems like that they are not getting good coaching. Watch tonight's game with Indiana and see how many more screens they set for their shooters than does Iowa. At the end of the Illinois game, Cook (who was the most effective scorer for the Hawks in this game) spent most of his time on the bench. He could have taken some pressure off of Jok. But I guess Fran thinks you foul out with 4 fouls not 5.

We seem to set poor screens or get called for moving screens. The fact Jok is putting up over 20 ppg is really impressive
 
We seem to set poor screens or get called for moving screens. The fact Jok is putting up over 20 ppg is really impressive

I agree with you on this one. Jok is really good and is playing with the equivalent of someone hanging onto his jersey most of the time. That he does what he does is impressive. Defenses can do that because of the lack of many other threats....including driving to the basket from the....pt guard position.
 
Don't be an idiot. Fran doesn't teach players proper position of hands, feet, and so on. Defense is not following.

That said, Illinois oft burns Fran because they have a big that will light it up upside, not to mention players like Hill not being defended well. Hill is a good player, he's not a terrific player. He will knock down what he's given. There is no reason for Finke to ever score much on Iowa.

I will conceded that too many times our players find themselves closing out a second behind the ball. However, Fran has had teams that showed much better defensive positioning. It is hard for me to imagine that any D1 collegiant program doesn't teach basic defensive positioning. I do think though that Fran and his assistants focus too much time on coaching offense. It was clear from game one this season that we could score. It was also clear that we could not defend. I would have started focusing practices on defense from that point forward. Perhaps Fran would benefit from bringing in an assistant coach who is a defensive specialist. Much how Sherm is the "shot doctor". I do believe we need a defense doctor. If it is going to take 3 years in the program before our players can adequately defend, then we are never going to climb the mountain.
 
22-23 FTs. That's simply amazing. Jok sets the Iowa record, besting Don Nelson's record of 21.
 

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