hawkdrummer1
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I like JaBo... but we still need another ball handler
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SteveGarvey1
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I guess the impressive assists are only the no-look passes or the behind-the-back ones? Jo Bo is "racking up unimpressive assists" is fake news.
WinOneThisCentury
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Just checked back with a few friends in Wisconsin...they are still impressed with his three point shooting...don't remember any unimpressive assists.
BrueCrew3
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I guess I'm old school when it comes to assists. If your basketball IQ is high enough that you:
Just my 2¢ .. .. GO HAWKS!!!
a) know who the open teammate is
orb) know who the teammate is that will work their way open
orc) know the oponent well enough to know who is going to be/going to work their way open
AND you get them the ball AND they score, well, that's an assist because you know your teammates well enough to get the ball into the right hands. Good, bad, or mediocure .. it counts. Period. End of sentence.Just my 2¢ .. .. GO HAWKS!!!
They all count in the stat book but that doesn't mean you can't look at more than stats to base an opinion on someone.
Here's what Iowa's lineup should look like going into the conference games: JBo, Moss, Nunge, Cook, Garza. Bench: and in no certain order - Baer, Kriener, Ellingston, Uhl, Pemsl, Wagner, Dailey, Williams. Unless there's an unforeseen injury that shows it's ugly head during the non-conference schedule or during the season, this starting lineup will give Iowa it's best chance to compete and succeed in the Big Ten. Coach Fran's major priority during the next 5 months is to develop a team that takes pride in playing defense, build team unity, and put the players in the best position to compete and succeed. Coach will indeed play the entire roster during each game as he has in the past and Iowa will again lose games because of that, but it's how coach keeps those loses to a minimum that will define the upcoming season....
BrueCrew3
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I guess that's my point. In baseball, it doesn't matter whether or not it's a Texas Leager, a bunt single, or a line drive. A hit is a hit is a hit. In basketball, it's the same. If you hit a 15 footer or a layup or a slam dunk, it's 2 points. If your basketball IQ is high enough, you get the assist.
I'll take 10 "unimpressive" assists over 5 "impressive" assists any day. It means your basketball IQ is higher. It doesn't matter what it looks like on the court, It counts the same.
Just my 2¢ .. .. GO HAWKS!!!
But would you take 10 impressive assists over 10 unimpressive ones? And would you rather have a guy that is capable of getting 10 dunks a game over a guy capable of getting 10 open jumpers a game? Dunks go in at a higher clip so a dunk and a mid range shot only count the same if they both go in.
BrueCrew3
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We'll have to agree to disagree as it doesn't matter. Both are assists, as the basket was scored.
GO HAWKS!!!
So you're saying if two players from two different teams both average 5 assists per game, they are the exact same skill level of passer every time without fail? There is no other information you would want to form your opinion?
MisterLucky
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My gawd! Just stop it! You were wrong about Bohannon all last season and despite him proving you wrong, you're still beating the same drum. You're just making yourself look more stupid, if possible, with every post.
You really need to put more thought into this whole thing Brew. Sometimes the shooter creates the play and sometime the passer creates the play. When discussing how good a passer is, I want to know how nanny plays he created. Not how many plays he was the beneficiary of a good shot.
FirstDownHawkeyes
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If both the F jump pass 2 in the returning roster, Iowa will contend for the B1G. I can't imagine both of them breaking into the top 5, however, and the reason is D and endurance. I'd venture to guess Garza will start at the 5 but won't play as much as Baer for sure and maybe not as much as Pemsl if he's healthy. Wagner will start for his D at the 3 and if he can improve his FT shooting to 70ish%, he will play 20 mpg. FT% is the key to AW's minutes this season IMO.
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BrueCrew3
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As I said, I'm old school. I want to know how many times a player was intelligent enough to get the ball into the right teammates hands so that a basket was scored. Whether that's a 24 footer for 3, a 15 footer for 2, or a slam dunk for 2-and-1. That's an assist.
As for needing "to put more thought" into it, I've already done enough thinking on the subject. I respect your right to your opinion even if I don't agree with it. I didn't challenge your opinion, I just stated I don't agree with it. It's obvious I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.
Just my 2¢ .. .. GO HAWKS!!!
Me too. Extremely impressed with both he and Nunge
tksirius
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Looks like Jon posted some updated stats for PTL.
https://www.hawkeyenation.com/basketball/prime-time-league-statistical-update
Here's some percentages:
3FG:
Cook 100% (1 for 1)
Williams 75% (6 for 8)
Dailey 56.2%
Bohannon 51.2%
Moss 48.2%
Wagner 42.8%
Ellingson 42.5%
Baer 42.4%
Uhl/Kriener/Garza 40%
Nunge 25%
2FG:
Nunge 68.1%
Moss 64.2%
Kriener 63%
Garza 61.4%
Wagner 58.4%
Cook 55.8%
Ellingson 54.2%
Baer/Dailey 50%
Bohannon/Uhl 42.8%
Williams 37.9%
FT:
Ellingson 100% (2 for 2)
Bohannon 84%
Moss 80%
Kriener 78.5%
Dailey 71.4%
Baer 70%
Wagner 61.5%
Garza 56.2%
Nunge 56.1%
Cook 50%
Uhl 40%
Williams 33.3%
https://www.hawkeyenation.com/basketball/prime-time-league-statistical-update
Here's some percentages:
3FG:
Cook 100% (1 for 1)
Williams 75% (6 for 8)
Dailey 56.2%
Bohannon 51.2%
Moss 48.2%
Wagner 42.8%
Ellingson 42.5%
Baer 42.4%
Uhl/Kriener/Garza 40%
Nunge 25%
2FG:
Nunge 68.1%
Moss 64.2%
Kriener 63%
Garza 61.4%
Wagner 58.4%
Cook 55.8%
Ellingson 54.2%
Baer/Dailey 50%
Bohannon/Uhl 42.8%
Williams 37.9%
FT:
Ellingson 100% (2 for 2)
Bohannon 84%
Moss 80%
Kriener 78.5%
Dailey 71.4%
Baer 70%
Wagner 61.5%
Garza 56.2%
Nunge 56.1%
Cook 50%
Uhl 40%
Williams 33.3%
NikeHawk21
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In all seriousness though I think that one attempt is a good thing. It would lead me to believe that he's not going to step out to the 3pt line this year, which is something I thought we could see. I think we want Cook staying near the basket, we have a enough shooters.
MelroseHawkins
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Why does it bother you so much that Jo Bo is good or I guess why can't you admit it? What is the angst you have with him? Just curious because it's weird if there is nothing.
